HERTFORD TOWN CIRCUS CONTINUES...

[Chinola]

My point is renegade that you are stirring. You've specifically joined this forum to bad mouth the club we both support before a ball has even been kicked, and yet you think that is justified criticism. I couldn't give a stuff where pre-season training is as long as the team starts winning.

 

With regard to the chairman I think you'll find that the board isn't 3/4s of his family... 3 people out of 16? He may not be a business man but he works hard and has the club at heart, there's enough business acumen on the committee. You don't have to be mates with Ossie Ardiles to know about football or how to run a club.

 

Raising money is always an issue at every club in this league that doesn't have a sugar daddy. It's funny you should say about the previous chairman because he was the reason your friend Chinola left. Yes Scott made his thoughts clear to the board but he didn't take constructive criticism well either - an email from said Chairman & telling a septuagenarian to f*** off because he pointed out something all us fans could see! Anyways that's all in the past and I don't have a problem with Scott.

 

If you were at the AGM you would know that everyones position was announced for re-election, nobody voted against it & all the members who aren't on the board said nothing. The secretary didn't receive any applications from anyone else outside the committee so what were they supposed to do?? Loose - The club constitution was based on one from the FA & has been passed by the Herts FA in order for the club to achieve the Charter Standard.

 

There is no mounting debt, the figures were announced at the AGM that there was money in the account from pitch hires and soon to be more once the club starts selling advertising and sponsorship. If you want to see mounting debt you only have to look at other local clubs...

 

If the people in charge wanted to grind the club into the ground why would they bother going for Charter Standard? Why work with Hertford Town Youth for the future of the club? Why work with the local/district council to promote the club and sort the lease? And finally why are they soon to be working with the job centre to help unemployed people with references?

 

It seems to me that people don't like change, even if it's for better or for worse.

 

wow wow wow...comments about me taking criticism or telling a septuagenarian to f*** off are not required thanks...I have plenty of comments I could make about the club and how it is run and about the people who run it...clearly TransitionPeriod is a board member and clearly renegade is an ex-player (clearlly one of mine!)..however please do me the favour of not commenting on how i take criticism (towards an email the chairman sent to me telling me how my team should play and how i need to do this and need to do that!) or one comment which was made in the heat of the moment to a "septuagenarian" as you put it, who made the trip round the pitch to stand next to my dug out and make comments to me about how the team was playing (funnily enough negative comments!) during a match....also general comments about being pals with Ossie Ardiles etc are not really required...do me a favour and turn it in...move on from the O'Donoghue/Ardiles reign at Hertford like we have, work hard with your standard charter and all the other things you think are important at a football club...and like I said in my previous post..good luck.

[Savagebee]

 

I think you maybe came rushing to the aid of a "new" poster who seemed more than able to speak up for himself Savagebee but whilst I didn't think I'd told him he had no rights to post I didn't take to his accusations of Hertford. When you see for yourself at first hand what has to go into running a club at the getting your hands and not just your boots dirty level, and fail miserably then you tend to have some sympathy with the people who stick heads above the parapet to do it and don't always deserve the faceless and as it turns out unfounded accusations in this case.

 

Beers all round!

 

Sounds Good

[Binksy]

I have read this post with interest and I am on the committee of Hertford Town Football Club and when you read this post many you will probably know who I am. It seems that a lot of people post their views (which they are entitled to do) without really knowing the facts.

 

I myself have been involved with this level of football for many years and we have two referees, people that run their own businesses, a chairman of a youth section with many teams and people that work tirelessly who love the club. Yes we have lost some really good, hardworking people but as in any club they have to be replaced and we have done so. The treasurer was appointed during in last season when our previous one resigned, nothing wrong there. I have read the constitution and an EGM was called (May I say legally) to appoint a chairman which is needed for many different reasons. As many of you will know that attend clubs AGM’s it is common practice for officials of the club and committee members to be re-elected en bloc and any members who attend can raise objections, which no-one did. How any of you know that the bar takings and gates are down I really don’t know as the accounts for the last season have not been completed yet, but all the signs are they are not. The FA Charter, which one of our members spent many hours and meetings obtaining will allow us to move forward.

 

Regarding what Chinola could say about the committee, I think he has said quite a lot already and we have kept our dignity and not responded. I would just like to remind him that HE resigned, perhaps he wasn’t prepared to put up fight for a job he loved. Yes, he worked hard and raised money but when he did leave we were at the bottom or near the bottom of the league. Maybe it’s time for him to move on and enjoy his management at another club and I wish him well for the future.

 

How the current manager chooses to train his players and where, is up to him, but at least they will be fit for the start of next season.

[tringarmy]

If you're not happy with the Chairman at Hertford, I hear Mick Clarke of Ware is suddenly available.........

New Ware chairman is Mike Varney according to their Twitter feed by 12 votes to 11. Unusual to make public that half the board / committee are against the chairman before he starts.

[renegade]

Binksy - point proven people who dont know football shouldnt be running football clubs. Yes the team were near the bottom however i do believe the first 4 games were against the top 6 sides, and bearing in mind this was a squad that was largely made up of players that finished a very respectable 9th the previous season with no budget.

 

Your attitude towards these hardworking dedicated people that have since left is nothing short of atrocious and i find that very disrespectful and in the end will prove a very big loss. These are people who gave up alot of time and put in hardwork to the ground i.e dressing rooms and pitch to make it the best it has been in at least the last two decades and they are let go over someone who only cares for himself all because they are capable of seeing the wood for the trees unlike some.I would bet my mortgage that if that same squad had been kept together there would have been a top half finish again esp if one or two decent signings had been added instead of being dismantled (very cleveley) by Mr Samuels.

 

Transition Period good luck with that one, if you were happy with results from nov- may then that says all we need know, among those were more than the odd trouncing add that to the quality of football provided and its clearly evident the club is progressing LOL. That reminds me i must get down to specsavers for a pair of these rose tinted glasses. Laughable. I understand you want to back Mr Samuels as he is your man but my word whats gone on behind the scenes is embarrasing its common knowledge to all other managers/teams what has gone on and how many players have been shoved out the door with ill treatment yet no one has done anything. Yet this was one of the reasons Matt Allen was dismissed and because he wasnt YOUR man.Youve been sold down the river Transition Period yet you seem tooafraid to do anything about it. I go back to my earlier comments that if the football side was going well then fair enough there can be no arguements but it certainly wasnt improved upon infact in manys opinion was a darn site worse. Add that to the loss of atmoshphere at the club players/fans a like i fail to see your point wasnt it you that wanted the club to remain ' a family club' i guess you have acheived that in one sense of the matter though transition period ;-) again many called that through the crystal ball whilst we are on the subject of hidden agendas. I dont wish you an ill feeling and do wish you all the best and hope you do turn things round at the end of the day we all want the club to suceed. I for one though have my doubts

[Chinola]

I have read this post with interest and I am on the committee of Hertford Town Football Club and when you read this post many you will probably know who I am. It seems that a lot of people post their views (which they are entitled to do) without really knowing the facts.

 

I myself have been involved with this level of football for many years and we have two referees, people that run their own businesses, a chairman of a youth section with many teams and people that work tirelessly who love the club. Yes we have lost some really good, hardworking people but as in any club they have to be replaced and we have done so. The treasurer was appointed during in last season when our previous one resigned, nothing wrong there. I have read the constitution and an EGM was called (May I say legally) to appoint a chairman which is needed for many different reasons. As many of you will know that attend clubs AGM’s it is common practice for officials of the club and committee members to be re-elected en bloc and any members who attend can raise objections, which no-one did. How any of you know that the bar takings and gates are down I really don’t know as the accounts for the last season have not been completed yet, but all the signs are they are not. The FA Charter, which one of our members spent many hours and meetings obtaining will allow us to move forward.

 

Regarding what Chinola could say about the committee, I think he has said quite a lot already and we have kept our dignity and not responded. I would just like to remind him that HE resigned, perhaps he wasn’t prepared to put up fight for a job he loved. Yes, he worked hard and raised money but when he did leave we were at the bottom or near the bottom of the league. Maybe it’s time for him to move on and enjoy his management at another club and I wish him well for the future.

 

How the current manager chooses to train his players and where, is up to him, but at least they will be fit for the start of next season.

 

very good indeed...clearly this little dig and your colleagues comment about "taking criticism" clearly show that you guys have kept dignity and not responded (although responded what to, I am not entirely sure)

You say that we probably know who you are - well we dont so please tell us? We can all hide behind a computer and make comments etc and that goes for Renegade too....everyone on here knows who I am, so let us know who you are and who TransitionPeriod is and then at least we all know where we stand...I think I know who TransitionPeriod is and I am disappointed by his comments in his last post.

Change as your colleague rightly points out is sometimes difficult to accept....especially when it comes to football because everyone has an opinion which they believe is right...i believe I am right in saying that when I left and then my backroom staff, a lot of people (fans, players, ex-committee members) were disappointed because before MV became involved the club was back in a stable financial condition, finishing in a respectable position and the atmopshere on and off the pitch (in the bar) was superb...as a committee member you will agree that presentation nights, race nights etc etc were great events with a good turn out...unfortunately in "some" peoples minds the change at the club since all the changes took place, has been a negative one both on the pitch and off it...this is basically the reason no doubt for the person starting this post and which has led to the digs at me by committee members...the reason I get brought into this is because the people who are upset and continuing to "stir" are people who preferred the club at a time when me, Pabs, Painey, Maybs, Barker and Rhys were there...

The board work tirelessly and definitely have the clubs best interest at heart, I personally think a lack of football knowledge on the board is a problem considering none of them have ever played the game at a level comparable to the SSML..however, this is a common situation that occurs nowadays....I think you comment that we were near the bottom of the league is another indication of this...with the greatest respect we lost to Tring Athletic convincingly at home, battered Leverstock Green but lost 1-0 at home, got smashed by Aylesbury away on a Wed night and won in the first tie of the FA Cup (I make that 4 games?)..the season is 42 league games long + cup matches??

As I have said beforehand, I have moved on but that is not going to stop me from commenting on Hertford Town threads on the forum...at the end of the day I spent a lot of time at the club both as a player (before you lot were there!) and as a manager and therefore it is a club close to my heart..I did love my job and am disappointed at how it panned out...I couldn't have fought harder for my positon and the fact that the "email" is still being perceived by you and your cronies as "constructive criticism" proves that you were clearly backing MV at that point over me (which on one hand makes sense cos he was your new chairman but on the other hand is poor considering the efforts I made to get the club out of a relegation situation into a great league standing as well as raising a whole load of cash for the club)...this my friend is what hurts the most and people in football at all levels have short memories..and finally whilst the club continues to lose matches and be in the lower echons of the league and play players "non-local" etc you as a committee are always going to have some people "stirring" and blaming you for "making changes" to what they believe are to the detriment of the club...good luck this season because I do think you will need it and once again please try and refrain from slurring me on this forum unless of course you want to let us all know who you are...then you can say what you want and we can chat about it another time over a beer.

[transitionperiod]

Chinola my comments were just pointing out about criticism, nobody likes to be criticised and it wasn't meant to be a dig. I apologise if I offended you, as I said I don't have a problem with you but you can understand it's the same for us when people come on here, starting threads only giving one side of what's going on at the club. Now it's just reached a point where we've decided to defend whats going on. As for the "constructive criticism" email you received, it only came to light to the committee after you resigned and nobody condoned it apart from the man that sent it.

 

Marv's position is by no means safe, he knows that and he knows he has to get the team winning, how he does that is down to him. Meanwhile the board will continue to work hard behind the scenes building the future of the club. You might think thats laughable renegade but it takes some forethought and is not apparent to people outside the club. We will gratefully accept the helped provided by the council, FA & use the benefits of being a Charter Standard club which are by no means a hindrance to our future.

 

At the end of the day, all of us want what's best for the club and we all have different opinions of how to get there.

 

It'll be interesting to see who the new Ware manager is… I'll have a fiver on Matt Allen

Edited June 8, 2012 by transitionperiod

[Part Time Par]

If you're not happy with the Chairman at Hertford, I hear Mick Clarke of Ware is suddenly available.........

New Ware chairman is Mike Varney according to their Twitter feed by 12 votes to 11. Unusual to make public that half the board / committee are against the chairman before he starts.

 

Ware also need a new manger. Nethercott resigned an hour ago

[Binksy]

Renegade, I fully acknowledged the hard work that people had left put in and I find it upsetting that you think I was being disrespectful, we all know they will be a big loss. Being someone who has football knowledge, you know that you cannot go on what a team does a previous season. The new manager was asked to keep us in the division, which he did and as transitionperiod said he will have to prove himself this season.

[renegade]

Binksy thank god for the hanwells and hatfields and holmer greens thenor youd have bitten the dust, i wish htfc all the best next season but your in for another struggle down the bottom whilst Mr Manmangements in charge im very bewildered as to why you think things will be any different this season. But none the less theres alot of good people at the club that work tirelessy to try and move it forward just a shame someone can destroy it so quickly. Nevermind onwards and upwards

[paddywack]

Why did you not go for the job as gaffer renegade

[boswell]

As somebody who got involved for a couple of seasons and found it far too much for me, both in time and understanding, I can only applaud all those still involved with running ANY non-league team, let alone one in a town who prefer to watch Spurs/Arsenal etc on the screen in the pub, rather than support anything local ( think I am right with including the rugby boys in this?).

 

If you find it so bad, why don't you join the committee, apply to help in any way you can, get your mates to come and watch a game etc..try to keep the atmosphere going any way you can - try to find someone with cash to chair the club...