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Just wanted to throw this out there for debate...

 

Having looked at the fixtures, we lost both Adam Martin and Chris Seeby after the B&B cup defeat at Chesham, from that game we didn't really perform to our maximum barring the St Neots game!

 

Does anyone else think that maybe the turning point was that Martin and Seeby were not replaced? They were 2 players of immense quality for this level that any team would miss or is it just coincidence that performances appeared to dip? We replaced them with Anderson and Owusu, 2 good strikers, maybe we didn't need that extra striker after all???

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It's easy in hindsight to point out lots of things.It certainly didn't help losing two players of their quality and IMO Adam Martin was the bigger loss,as he was just beginning to hit some form when he left.Last season it was defensive frailities that cost us big time.This year our centre midfield has been the problem with our team.We are too reliant on Paul Coyne and if he doesn't play well,the team doesn't function well.

Steve Perkins is also going to be a big miss for the play-offs.Steve puts in good tackles.The others are half-hearted when it comes to tackling properly.

 

Steve Bateman was right in bringing Jerome Anderson to the club.He is at a good age and has bags of potential and has pace which is sorely needed in our team.Unfortunately,Lloyd Owusu signing didn't quite make the impact we had hoped for but it was still worthwhile and him coming on, off the bench against Biggleswade probably got us the win.

We needed options upfront when Steve brought Jerome and Lloyd in and I think he was right to do so.

 

It's not easy to pick up quality midfielders and to bed them in quickly to a team.I don't blame Steve Bateman at all for sticking by the players he's got in the squad for our midfield,as if they play to their best ability they can do the job.

The problem is getting the best out of them!

If Adam Logie played regularly[and was given encouragement from the management,he could play an attacking role from midfield] and we would have a ready made repacement for Adam Martin but he's in and out of the side like a yo-yo,Bateman tells him not to go forward and so lacks confidence, match fitness and consistency of performance.Steve Bateman doesn't get the best out of him or Stuart Swift or even his own son,Sam Bateman.Ollie Burgess is useful going forward but rather lightweight and lacks physicality and consistency to be the answer.

 

So I don't blame Steve Bateman for not strengthening the midfield but I do level at him that he doesn't get the best out of the squad he's assembled.

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I mentioned a while ago that at the start of the season if someone had offered us a sequence of win-draw-win-draw throughout the season and not to lose a single game we'd have bitten their hand off. That would give you 84 points in a season and if we lose tomorrow, guess what, we'll have 84 points. Obviously if we avoid defeat we'll beat that total. That's a fantastic points haul irrespective of anything.

 

The problem is there's always likely to be a Bury or a St Newts or an Arlesey who will nick that top spot, whether that's through throwing money at it or for any other reason. It's far easier to survive in the division above than it is to get out of a league where there's only one automatic promotion spot.

 

We don't know what goes on behind the scenes so it's difficult to say why some players get chances and others not or why some players perform more consistently than others. That said the one player who I don't think has had a fair crack is young Sam Bateman. We've missed a player like him with energy and youth and a willingness to run around in midfield and just make a bloody nuisance of himself. When he came on last week he put in one great tackle - really hard but fair. We've missed that bite this season in my opinion and I'd like to have seen him given more opportunities.

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Do you not feel that poor player behaviour on the pitch has let you down? not exactly serving with honour is it?

Imagine all the players you would have had available if suspensions weren't an issue. I think St Neots only got one player who had to miss a game due to suspension and I think that enabled us to field a more consistent 11.

Just my thoughts from an outsider.

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In one respect, yes it's an issue but conversely I don't think it's necessarily cost us as badly as it might have done as we've had other players come in and perform. Equally I don't think St Newts have won the league because of their reasonable disciplinary record.

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I mentioned a while ago that at the start of the season if someone had offered us a sequence of win-draw-win-draw throughout the season and not to lose a single game we'd have bitten their hand off. That would give you 84 points in a season and if we lose tomorrow, guess what, we'll have 84 points. Obviously if we avoid defeat we'll beat that total. That's a fantastic points haul irrespective of anything.

 

The problem is there's always likely to be a Bury or a St Newts or an Arlesey who will nick that top spot, whether that's through throwing money at it or for any other reason. It's far easier to survive in the division above than it is to get out of a league where there's only one automatic promotion spot.

 

We don't know what goes on behind the scenes so it's difficult to say why some players get chances and others not or why some players perform more consistently than others. That said the one player who I don't think has had a fair crack is young Sam Bateman. We've missed a player like him with energy and youth and a willingness to run around in midfield and just make a bloody nuisance of himself. When he came on last week he put in one great tackle - really hard but fair. We've missed that bite this season in my opinion and I'd like to have seen him given more opportunities.

I mentioned a while ago that at the start of the season if someone had offered us a sequence of win-draw-win-draw throughout the season and not to lose a single game we'd have bitten their hand off. That would give you 84 points in a season and if we lose tomorrow, guess what, we'll have 84 points. Obviously if we avoid defeat we'll beat that total. That's a fantastic points haul irrespective of anything.

 

The problem is there's always likely to be a Bury or a St Newts or an Arlesey who will nick that top spot, whether that's through throwing money at it or for any other reason. It's far easier to survive in the division above than it is to get out of a league where there's only one automatic promotion spot.

 

We don't know what goes on behind the scenes so it's difficult to say why some players get chances and others not or why some players perform more consistently than others. That said the one player who I don't think has had a fair crack is young Sam Bateman. We've missed a player like him with energy and youth and a willingness to run around in midfield and just make a bloody nuisance of himself. When he came on last week he put in one great tackle - really hard but fair. We've missed that bite this season in my opinion and I'd like to have seen him given more opportunities.

 

 

I might be wrong but I did hear that Sam Bateman, for one reason or another, just hasn't been available for selection for most of the season.

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My post wasn't meant as a dig, we have had a tremendous season... Just wondered what everyone thought regarding the loss of Martin and Seeby and if it did more damage than maybe we all thought it did!

 

Wasn't meant as a pop against anyone associated with the club, to amass potentially more than 2 points a game over a 42 game season is remarkable, we did well to stay in the hunt until game 41!!!

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To finish second in the league is a great achievement. I dont think the players/management could have done any more.

You are not going to win every game and play fantastic football all the time. Best finish to a season for along while. Enjoy.

 

 

Windsor Rebel, no one is disputing that 2nd place isn't a great achievement and we all know that best made plans in football, dont always go to plan ! Take Newport County as an example,they had lofty ambitions at the start of the season with a costly assembled team and new manager,then found themselves in relegation places in the Blue Square Premier[Conference]. Had to change manager and players to climb the table.

 

Steve Bateman and Fred Cummings have done a good job keeping us in the top five most of the season.In my eyes it has been an enjoyable season but still a very frustrating one.

 

Steve Bateman is like Harry Redknapp but not Alex Ferguson.

Like Harry,he talks a great game in the papers,is likeable and is a very good man manager but what does Harry ever win?

 

Steve isn't like Alex Ferguson because he is too laid back at times and some players don't always give him enough respect [hence our terrible indiscipline] and he doesn't seem to know how to adapt his team/squad to grind out results, that would have got us 1st place this year ie North Greenford,Chalfont St Peter,AFC Hayes-home matches and the Aylesbury away match.All matches that a true Champions elect side would win.

His team play is also predictable,which better managers know how to counteract,ie Bedworth.

 

We have been outclassed by Bedworth in both matches and got extremely lucky when their striker,Ashley Robinson,got sent off in the home match which we eventually won.

I know people will say we beat St Neots twice.Our home game against them, we were the better side and deserved to win but the away game we were under the cosh for large parts of that game and were rather fortunate to get the 3 points.

 

I know I am being very harsh and the bottom line is some of the players need to look at some of their performances, rather than blame the manager but ultimately the manager picks the eleven that's on the field of play and sets the tactics.

 

We are still in the play-offs and can come good.

However,the momentum of winning games convincingly has been missing for quite awhile and you cannot help but fear the worst scenario,of staying in this division for another year[ or ten] !

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I understand your views, 3 spirit, and am still confident we will get the promotion we deserve via the playoffs, as

I believe we perform better in the bigger games.

 

I hope you're right,Windsor Rebel !!!

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