So what is wrong with the CCL?

[Krooner]

Are yes Smudgey but who is to say that will not change when there are 12 Step 5 leagues

[Smudge]

Hope it does Kroons,like I hope Farnborough do right by you,but history says it will not.

[Krooner]

No history involved with a 12 leagues at Step 5 Smudge

[VPCTFC]

Isn't all this talk of the demise and break-up of the CCL a bit premature?

Nothing's certain yet but hopefully all that's happening is some clubs will be replaced by others. The league will keep on going.

Look at the CCL tables ten years ago and compare them to now. Some clubs still there but loads of changes. In ten years time there'll be more changes.

 

AFC WALLINGFORD

ASH UNITED

CHIPSTEAD

BEDFONT

WITHDEAN 2000

HARTLEY WINTNEY

RAYNES PARK VALE

SOUTHALL

WALTON CASUALS

FELTHAM

CHESSINGTON & HOOK

WESTFIELD

SANDHURST TOWN

FARNHAM TOWN

COVE

CHESSINGTON UNITED

GODALMING & GUILDFORD

COBHAM

VIKING GREENFORD

MERSTHAM

READING TOWN

CRANLEIGH

 

CCL 1 only started in 2003-04 with the following teams:

 

AFC GUILDFORD

COLLIERS WOOD UTD

BOOKHAM

HERSHAM RBL

CONEY HALL

MERROW

FARLEIGH ROVERS

STAINES LAMMAS

WORCESTER PARK

DITTON

MONOTYPE

SEELEC DELTA

CRESCENT ROVERS

SHOTTERMILL & HASLEMERE

NETHERNE VILLAGE

CHOBHAM & OTTERSHAW

SHEERWATER

CRANLEIGH

 

I'm not an official at CTFC but I help our secretary with fixtures and other jobs and have dealings with some people at a variety of leagues. I've only ever dealt with our Whitelaw at the CCL and, as you all know, he's a great person to be involved with running a league. The CCL certainly compares very favourably to some leagues when it comes to organisation and stuff. There are a couple of people on the NLM forum that have dealings with the Wessex League and they're very unimpressed with them, especially regarding fixtures which seem to be a bit of a joke.

I'm sure the CCL will be just fine in the future.

[E&E Rich]

I suppose there is one way of keeping the interest a bit longer for many clubs, which would be to start the League Cup later in the season.

 

Many Premier Division clubs have little to play for as we've already discussed, but if the Second round was scheduled for the last Saturday at the end of January (to cater for clubs without lights), then 32 clubs would still have something to look forward to at this stage of the season, with 16 playing say, at the end of February, quarter finals in March and Semis and Final in April? Obviously more League games would have to be played earlier in the season, but I'm sure Alan C is perfectly capable of working that out.

 

I'm not a fan of Nice Guy's playoff cup as it doesn't really mean anything and couldn't even attract sponsorship for that same reason. However, the League Cup is a big event for many clubs and would be well contested.

 

What does everyone else think? Is it worth suggesting at an AGM?

 

 

 

E&E Ed the ''Play-off Cup'' was just simply a name given, it could be called anything. Its not by concidence that the last 3 seasons that I've seen CCL football, we are still mentioning the same subject. Its a fact that the CCL Prem needs to be livened up in some form otherwise, some players in that mid-table section couldn't give a damn and make excuses not to play, giving managers a headache seeing more players making themselves unavailable, especially when the weather gets warmer, thus he has to put out a poorer team, get beat which pi**es off other players who then follows suit, its a joke and unfair on the manager.....and please don't tell me this does not go on 'cos it does !

 

If players have something to play for they will make themselves available as opposed to going a weekend beano for example ! But will one cup fixture be enough especially if they lose. My thoughts is a play-off style where there are more games for players to be interested in.......! Is this subject ever discussed at the leagues AGM ?

 

I understand you're point that it was just a name, NG, it's the principle I have trouble with as it involves yet more extra games.

 

Of course one cup match isn't a lot, but if it were in place today for example there would be 32 clubs still looking forward to a cup tie at the end of January and 16 of those still in the cup at the end of Feb. Right now there are about 11-12 left in the cup so that is a lot more teams with an interest in something.

 

And it doesn't involve any extra fixtures either!

 

It must be remembered that you will always get dead fixtures of some description. It's impossible to avoid unless you had leagues with about 8 teams in them. If you go back to Amateur days, there was very little in the way of proper promotion or relegation until 1963 so there were many more dead fixtures back then.

[NICE GUY]

I suppose there is one way of keeping the interest a bit longer for many clubs, which would be to start the League Cup later in the season.

 

Many Premier Division clubs have little to play for as we've already discussed, but if the Second round was scheduled for the last Saturday at the end of January (to cater for clubs without lights), then 32 clubs would still have something to look forward to at this stage of the season, with 16 playing say, at the end of February, quarter finals in March and Semis and Final in April? Obviously more League games would have to be played earlier in the season, but I'm sure Alan C is perfectly capable of working that out.

 

I'm not a fan of Nice Guy's playoff cup as it doesn't really mean anything and couldn't even attract sponsorship for that same reason. However, the League Cup is a big event for many clubs and would be well contested.

 

What does everyone else think? Is it worth suggesting at an AGM?

 

 

 

E&E Ed the ''Play-off Cup'' was just simply a name given, it could be called anything. Its not by concidence that the last 3 seasons that I've seen CCL football, we are still mentioning the same subject. Its a fact that the CCL Prem needs to be livened up in some form otherwise, some players in that mid-table section couldn't give a damn and make excuses not to play, giving managers a headache seeing more players making themselves unavailable, especially when the weather gets warmer, thus he has to put out a poorer team, get beat which pi**es off other players who then follows suit, its a joke and unfair on the manager.....and please don't tell me this does not go on 'cos it does !

 

If players have something to play for they will make themselves available as opposed to going a weekend beano for example ! But will one cup fixture be enough especially if they lose. My thoughts is a play-off style where there are more games for players to be interested in.......! Is this subject ever discussed at the leagues AGM ?

 

I understand you're point that it was just a name, NG, it's the principle I have trouble with as it involves yet more extra games.

 

Of course one cup match isn't a lot, but if it were in place today for example there would be 32 clubs still looking forward to a cup tie at the end of January and 16 of those still in the cup at the end of Feb. Right now there are about 11-12 left in the cup so that is a lot more teams with an interest in something.

 

And it doesn't involve any extra fixtures either!

 

It must be remembered that you will always get dead fixtures of some description. It's impossible to avoid unless you had leagues with about 8 teams in them. If you go back to Amateur days, there was very little in the way of proper promotion or relegation until 1963 so there were many more dead fixtures back then.

 

1963 !!!

 

Ed my principle behind the ''play-off cup'' for one of a beeter word, is at the beginning of the season, teams need to have a target to aim for obviously to be champions, but what else after, other than league cup ? At the moment with 3 months to go the top 2 look likely to play it out to be champions. Other teams in top 6-8 really are playing out their matches in hope that something goes wrong with the top 2..............never stop believing, but being realistic !

 

At the beginning of the season, if clubs know they finish in the top 5-6 they make the ''play-offs'' and a chance to win a cup otherwise, what incentive is there for these clubs other than the relegation clubs to stay in the division. Thats why from hereon, you will see some surprise results when the bottom teams beat the mid-table teams, even those higher !.

 

I'm just trying to think how to liven up and keep clubs/players interested in the Prem Div. when it comes to this time of season.

 

 

.

[Big J R]

I suppose there is one way of keeping the interest a bit longer for many clubs, which would be to start the League Cup later in the season.

 

Many Premier Division clubs have little to play for as we've already discussed, but if the Second round was scheduled for the last Saturday at the end of January (to cater for clubs without lights), then 32 clubs would still have something to look forward to at this stage of the season, with 16 playing say, at the end of February, quarter finals in March and Semis and Final in April? Obviously more League games would have to be played earlier in the season, but I'm sure Alan C is perfectly capable of working that out.

 

I'm not a fan of Nice Guy's playoff cup as it doesn't really mean anything and couldn't even attract sponsorship for that same reason. However, the League Cup is a big event for many clubs and would be well contested.

 

What does everyone else think? Is it worth suggesting at an AGM?

 

 

 

E&E Ed the ''Play-off Cup'' was just simply a name given, it could be called anything. Its not by concidence that the last 3 seasons that I've seen CCL football, we are still mentioning the same subject. Its a fact that the CCL Prem needs to be livened up in some form otherwise, some players in that mid-table section couldn't give a damn and make excuses not to play, giving managers a headache seeing more players making themselves unavailable, especially when the weather gets warmer, thus he has to put out a poorer team, get beat which pi**es off other players who then follows suit, its a joke and unfair on the manager.....and please don't tell me this does not go on 'cos it does !

 

If players have something to play for they will make themselves available as opposed to going a weekend beano for example ! But will one cup fixture be enough especially if they lose. My thoughts is a play-off style where there are more games for players to be interested in.......! Is this subject ever discussed at the leagues AGM ?

 

I understand you're point that it was just a name, NG, it's the principle I have trouble with as it involves yet more extra games.

 

Of course one cup match isn't a lot, but if it were in place today for example there would be 32 clubs still looking forward to a cup tie at the end of January and 16 of those still in the cup at the end of Feb. Right now there are about 11-12 left in the cup so that is a lot more teams with an interest in something.

 

And it doesn't involve any extra fixtures either!

 

It must be remembered that you will always get dead fixtures of some description. It's impossible to avoid unless you had leagues with about 8 teams in them. If you go back to Amateur days, there was very little in the way of proper promotion or relegation until 1963 so there were many more dead fixtures back then.

 

1963 !!!

 

Ed my principle behind the ''play-off cup'' for one of a beeter word, is at the beginning of the season, teams need to have a target to aim for obviously to be champions, but what else after, other than league cup ? At the moment with 3 months to go the top 2 look likely to play it out to be champions. Other teams in top 6-8 really are playing out their matches in hope that something goes wrong with the top 2..............never stop believing, but being realistic !

 

At the beginning of the season, if clubs know they finish in the top 5-6 they make the ''play-offs'' and a chance to win a cup otherwise, what incentive is there for these clubs other than the relegation clubs to stay in the division. Thats why from hereon, you will see some surprise results when the bottom teams beat the mid-table teams, even those higher !.

 

I'm just trying to think how to liven up and keep clubs/players interested in the Prem Div. when it comes to this time of season.

 

 

.

 

Is that an alpha-beeter word, NG ??

Edited January 18, 2012 by Big J R

[NICE GUY]

I suppose there is one way of keeping the interest a bit longer for many clubs, which would be to start the League Cup later in the season.

 

Many Premier Division clubs have little to play for as we've already discussed, but if the Second round was scheduled for the last Saturday at the end of January (to cater for clubs without lights), then 32 clubs would still have something to look forward to at this stage of the season, with 16 playing say, at the end of February, quarter finals in March and Semis and Final in April? Obviously more League games would have to be played earlier in the season, but I'm sure Alan C is perfectly capable of working that out.

 

I'm not a fan of Nice Guy's playoff cup as it doesn't really mean anything and couldn't even attract sponsorship for that same reason. However, the League Cup is a big event for many clubs and would be well contested.

 

What does everyone else think? Is it worth suggesting at an AGM?

 

 

 

E&E Ed the ''Play-off Cup'' was just simply a name given, it could be called anything. Its not by concidence that the last 3 seasons that I've seen CCL football, we are still mentioning the same subject. Its a fact that the CCL Prem needs to be livened up in some form otherwise, some players in that mid-table section couldn't give a damn and make excuses not to play, giving managers a headache seeing more players making themselves unavailable, especially when the weather gets warmer, thus he has to put out a poorer team, get beat which pi**es off other players who then follows suit, its a joke and unfair on the manager.....and please don't tell me this does not go on 'cos it does !

 

If players have something to play for they will make themselves available as opposed to going a weekend beano for example ! But will one cup fixture be enough especially if they lose. My thoughts is a play-off style where there are more games for players to be interested in.......! Is this subject ever discussed at the leagues AGM ?

 

I understand you're point that it was just a name, NG, it's the principle I have trouble with as it involves yet more extra games.

 

Of course one cup match isn't a lot, but if it were in place today for example there would be 32 clubs still looking forward to a cup tie at the end of January and 16 of those still in the cup at the end of Feb. Right now there are about 11-12 left in the cup so that is a lot more teams with an interest in something.

 

And it doesn't involve any extra fixtures either!

 

It must be remembered that you will always get dead fixtures of some description. It's impossible to avoid unless you had leagues with about 8 teams in them. If you go back to Amateur days, there was very little in the way of proper promotion or relegation until 1963 so there were many more dead fixtures back then.

 

1963 !!!

 

Ed my principle behind the ''play-off cup'' for one of a beeter word, is at the beginning of the season, teams need to have a target to aim for obviously to be champions, but what else after, other than league cup ? At the moment with 3 months to go the top 2 look likely to play it out to be champions. Other teams in top 6-8 really are playing out their matches in hope that something goes wrong with the top 2..............never stop believing, but being realistic !

 

At the beginning of the season, if clubs know they finish in the top 5-6 they make the ''play-offs'' and a chance to win a cup otherwise, what incentive is there for these clubs other than the relegation clubs to stay in the division. Thats why from hereon, you will see some surprise results when the bottom teams beat the mid-table teams, even those higher !.

 

I'm just trying to think how to liven up and keep clubs/players interested in the Prem Div. when it comes to this time of season.

 

 

.

 

Is that an alpha-beeter word, NG ??

 

Busy today then BJR,........ha ha !.

[Wattsy]

Isn't all this talk of the demise and break-up of the CCL a bit premature?

Nothing's certain yet but hopefully all that's happening is some clubs will be replaced by others. The league will keep on going.

Look at the CCL tables ten years ago and compare them to now. Some clubs still there but loads of changes. In ten years time there'll be more changes.

 

AFC WALLINGFORD

ASH UNITED

CHIPSTEAD

BEDFONT

WITHDEAN 2000

HARTLEY WINTNEY

RAYNES PARK VALE

SOUTHALL

WALTON CASUALS

FELTHAM

CHESSINGTON & HOOK

WESTFIELD

SANDHURST TOWN

FARNHAM TOWN

COVE

CHESSINGTON UNITED

GODALMING & GUILDFORD

COBHAM

VIKING GREENFORD

MERSTHAM

READING TOWN

CRANLEIGH

 

CCL 1 only started in 2003-04 with the following teams:

 

AFC GUILDFORD

COLLIERS WOOD UTD

BOOKHAM

HERSHAM RBL

CONEY HALL

MERROW

FARLEIGH ROVERS

STAINES LAMMAS

WORCESTER PARK

DITTON

MONOTYPE

SEELEC DELTA

CRESCENT ROVERS

SHOTTERMILL & HASLEMERE

NETHERNE VILLAGE

CHOBHAM & OTTERSHAW

SHEERWATER

CRANLEIGH

 

I'm not an official at CTFC but I help our secretary with fixtures and other jobs and have dealings with some people at a variety of leagues. I've only ever dealt with our Whitelaw at the CCL and, as you all know, he's a great person to be involved with running a league. The CCL certainly compares very favourably to some leagues when it comes to organisation and stuff. There are a couple of people on the NLM forum that have dealings with the Wessex League and they're very unimpressed with them, especially regarding fixtures which seem to be a bit of a joke.

I'm sure the CCL will be just fine in the future.

 

 

I miss playing at some of those teams and visiting those clubs, the good old days!

 

What ever happened to Snoxhall or what ever it was called at Cranleigh? I know South Park used it when they first came into CCL, but not sure if it's being used by anyone at present?

 

Walingford was a long trip, but a good one. Always had a good team (except the last season or so before they left CCL) and use to have decent crowds.

 

Reading Town always smelt of burning tyres, Viking Greenford was a dead cert for 3pts and plenty of goals, Chessington United was always cold and muddy and then Southall was always brutal, but they did have some quality goal celebrations when they scored and used to play some nice stuff!

Edited January 18, 2012 by Wattsy

[Big J R]

I suppose there is one way of keeping the interest a bit longer for many clubs, which would be to start the League Cup later in the season.

 

Many Premier Division clubs have little to play for as we've already discussed, but if the Second round was scheduled for the last Saturday at the end of January (to cater for clubs without lights), then 32 clubs would still have something to look forward to at this stage of the season, with 16 playing say, at the end of February, quarter finals in March and Semis and Final in April? Obviously more League games would have to be played earlier in the season, but I'm sure Alan C is perfectly capable of working that out.

 

I'm not a fan of Nice Guy's playoff cup as it doesn't really mean anything and couldn't even attract sponsorship for that same reason. However, the League Cup is a big event for many clubs and would be well contested.

 

What does everyone else think? Is it worth suggesting at an AGM?

 

 

 

E&E Ed the ''Play-off Cup'' was just simply a name given, it could be called anything. Its not by concidence that the last 3 seasons that I've seen CCL football, we are still mentioning the same subject. Its a fact that the CCL Prem needs to be livened up in some form otherwise, some players in that mid-table section couldn't give a damn and make excuses not to play, giving managers a headache seeing more players making themselves unavailable, especially when the weather gets warmer, thus he has to put out a poorer team, get beat which pi**es off other players who then follows suit, its a joke and unfair on the manager.....and please don't tell me this does not go on 'cos it does !

 

If players have something to play for they will make themselves available as opposed to going a weekend beano for example ! But will one cup fixture be enough especially if they lose. My thoughts is a play-off style where there are more games for players to be interested in.......! Is this subject ever discussed at the leagues AGM ?

 

I understand you're point that it was just a name, NG, it's the principle I have trouble with as it involves yet more extra games.

 

Of course one cup match isn't a lot, but if it were in place today for example there would be 32 clubs still looking forward to a cup tie at the end of January and 16 of those still in the cup at the end of Feb. Right now there are about 11-12 left in the cup so that is a lot more teams with an interest in something.

 

And it doesn't involve any extra fixtures either!

 

It must be remembered that you will always get dead fixtures of some description. It's impossible to avoid unless you had leagues with about 8 teams in them. If you go back to Amateur days, there was very little in the way of proper promotion or relegation until 1963 so there were many more dead fixtures back then.

 

1963 !!!

 

Ed my principle behind the ''play-off cup'' for one of a beeter word, is at the beginning of the season, teams need to have a target to aim for obviously to be champions, but what else after, other than league cup ? At the moment with 3 months to go the top 2 look likely to play it out to be champions. Other teams in top 6-8 really are playing out their matches in hope that something goes wrong with the top 2..............never stop believing, but being realistic !

 

At the beginning of the season, if clubs know they finish in the top 5-6 they make the ''play-offs'' and a chance to win a cup otherwise, what incentive is there for these clubs other than the relegation clubs to stay in the division. Thats why from hereon, you will see some surprise results when the bottom teams beat the mid-table teams, even those higher !.

 

I'm just trying to think how to liven up and keep clubs/players interested in the Prem Div. when it comes to this time of season.

 

 

.

 

Is that an alpha-beeter word, NG ??

 

Busy today then BJR,........ha ha !.

 

shopping Monday, (+ pub for lunch); shopping Tuesday, (+ pub lunch AGAIN !).

 

 

Day in today, catching up on club admin and hot coffee.

[Chris Clapham]

Isn't all this talk of the demise and break-up of the CCL a bit premature?

Nothing's certain yet but hopefully all that's happening is some clubs will be replaced by others. The league will keep on going.

Look at the CCL tables ten years ago and compare them to now. Some clubs still there but loads of changes. In ten years time there'll be more changes.

 

AFC WALLINGFORD

ASH UNITED

CHIPSTEAD

BEDFONT

WITHDEAN 2000

HARTLEY WINTNEY

RAYNES PARK VALE

SOUTHALL

WALTON CASUALS

FELTHAM

CHESSINGTON & HOOK

WESTFIELD

SANDHURST TOWN

FARNHAM TOWN

COVE

CHESSINGTON UNITED

GODALMING & GUILDFORD

COBHAM

VIKING GREENFORD

MERSTHAM

READING TOWN

CRANLEIGH

 

CCL 1 only started in 2003-04 with the following teams:

 

AFC GUILDFORD

COLLIERS WOOD UTD

BOOKHAM

HERSHAM RBL

CONEY HALL

MERROW

FARLEIGH ROVERS

STAINES LAMMAS

WORCESTER PARK

DITTON

MONOTYPE

SEELEC DELTA

CRESCENT ROVERS

SHOTTERMILL & HASLEMERE

NETHERNE VILLAGE

CHOBHAM & OTTERSHAW

SHEERWATER

CRANLEIGH

 

I'm not an official at CTFC but I help our secretary with fixtures and other jobs and have dealings with some people at a variety of leagues. I've only ever dealt with our Whitelaw at the CCL and, as you all know, he's a great person to be involved with running a league. The CCL certainly compares very favourably to some leagues when it comes to organisation and stuff. There are a couple of people on the NLM forum that have dealings with the Wessex League and they're very unimpressed with them, especially regarding fixtures which seem to be a bit of a joke.

I'm sure the CCL will be just fine in the future.

 

 

I miss playing at some of those teams and visiting those clubs, the good old days!

 

What ever happened to Snoxhall or what ever it was called at Cranleigh? I know South Park used it when they first came into CCL, but not sure if it's being used by anyone at present?

 

Walingford was a long trip, but a good one. Always had a good team (except the last season or so before they left CCL) and use to have decent crowds.

 

Reading Town always smelt of burning tyres, Viking Greenford was a dead cert for 3pts and plenty of goals, Chessington United was always cold and muddy and then Southall was always brutal, but they did have some quality goal celebrations when they scored and used to play some nice stuff!

 

http://www.cranleighfc.net/index.html

[bomaya]

I wonder what the various league sponsors think of all this. if someone like Cherry Red Records (bless em) had signed a 5 year deal, I wonder if they'd have clauses for leagues getting moved or demoted.

[Big J R]

'Buckers' has had his say on the matter in todays Dorking Sadvertiser !