Step 5 restructuring

[Uncle T]

And there is another nonsense around under shorts being shown. The laws get changed but you cannot get the right colour for the undershorts. Some referees say unless the under short is the sam colour take it off weather it is showing or not. Also a solution if it is require which it is not, is to allow black. There no thought process for football at the lower end it is always at the top end.

 

All FA officials should be made to come and talk to those of us at the sharp end. like this restructuring to remove two promotion places.

[Munchkin]

 

Players on and off for injuries - Going off for injuries allows the physio to treat the injury. This speeds up the game.

 

Really? In all the games i have seen when treatment is required, the players receives the treatment on the pitch, they then have to leave, come back on 5 seconds later. The game has been stopped for 5 minutes.

 

Most of your answers describe what should happen and not actually how the laws are applied.

[petethegreek]

Pete,

 

The problem is that not everything is applied. Encroachment and kicking the ball away happens on nearly every free kick and nothing ever gets done about it. There is hardly any quick free kicks because of encroachment and often referees do not allow it.

 

When one of our players gets injured in a foul and has to leave the pitch how does that give us an advantage, it gives us none because we are a man down.

 

The late flags causes a lot of dissent from players and the crowd, the flags are so late players are making tackles before off side is given.

 

When a player is cautioned for encroachment or kicking the ball away, all you hear is players and managers giving the Referee abuse. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

 

It's a cheap yellow card but that is how the Laws are. The blame here is with the player.

 

Referees are wrong not to allow quick free kicks. I always ask a player who has a free kick out side the opponents penalty area wheather he wants to go quick or wait until I get the 'wall' back 10 yards. Never a problem there.

 

On injuries, the physio is meant to assess the injury and treatment is aplied off the pitch unless it's a serious injury.

 

On undershorts, if you cannot find the correct colour then don't wear them.

 

Late flags are there to make sure the correct player is penalized. You get early flags to avoid a collision between the forward and the goalkeeper and also if the forward is the only attacker going for the ball which is some 40 yards ahead of him. You would flag early here rather than wait 5-6 seconds for him to cover that distance then flag.

Edited January 14, 2012 by petethegreek

[HTFCew]

And there is another nonsense around under shorts being shown. The laws get changed but you cannot get the right colour for the undershorts. Some referees say unless the under short is the sam colour take it off weather it is showing or not. Also a solution if it is require which it is not, is to allow black. There no thought process for football at the lower end it is always at the top end.

 

All FA officials should be made to come and talk to those of us at the sharp end. like this restructuring to remove two promotion places.

 

The same number of promotion places (12) will be available. What I find more worrying is the fact that, even if all 287 step 5 clubs gain the correct grade by Mar 2013, a whole division - 23 teams spread over the country - will be demoted over the following 2 years to take the number down to 264. If step 4 leagues were told to do this there would be uproar.

[Karen Browne]

IMO you need to start at the roots to make improvements so we need to start with the players rather than the rules.

Let's cut out:-

Stealing extra yards from throws, free kicks.

Simulation diving

Going down when tackled like you have been shot by a sniper

Shirt pulling

 

God I really need to get out of Utopia more often.

Edited January 14, 2012 by Karen Browne

[NeutralFan]

On the under short issue, if you play sat and Sun for diff sides you may need 4 or 5 different colour undershorts!! Not practical at all

[BUFC]

On the under short issue, if you play sat and Sun for diff sides you may need 4 or 5 different colour undershorts!! Not practical at all

 

have you found a colour to match the ginger yet?

[NeutralFan]

The Winchmore Hill purple makes a good contrast!

[Part Time Par]

The undershorts issue is one that annoys me too. Look at Dulwich Hamlet who play in Chocolate and Pink (!), where are they going to get matching undershorts?

 

I think the FA should declare 1 colour, white or black, and everyone who wishes to wear them would have no problem purchasing them.

[petethegreek]

The undershorts issue is one that annoys me too. Look at Dulwich Hamlet who play in Chocolate and Pink (!), where are they going to get matching undershorts?

 

I think the FA should declare 1 colour, white or black, and everyone who wishes to wear them would have no problem purchasing them.

 

If there are two equal colours on the shirt or shorts then the team chooses one that will appear on the undershirts or undershorts.

 

Yesterday at my game, Harefield United had red and black short sleeved shirts where neither colour was the predominate colour. One player who started the game had a red under shirt.

 

One of the substitutes in the warm-up wore a black under shirt. He would not have been allowed to wear the black under shirt if he came on as a substitute.

[petethegreek]

Back to the subject.

 

From the FA;

 

The FA can now update Leagues and Clubs on the current position with regard to a review of the Step 5/6 structure of the National League System.

 

There was always the intention, as part of the overall restructure, to align the number of promotion places to Step 4 with the number of relegation places available. With Step 4 now established with six Divisions and 12 possible relegation places, the Leagues Committee established a Review Group charged with the task of exploring the possibility of reducing the current 14 Step 5 Divisions down to 12.

 

A consultation process commenced in September with the Review Group meeting individually with each of the Step 5/6 competitions. Following these meetings it was established that there was a majority of leagues in favour of such a reorganisation taking place at Step 5.

 

At a meeting with all Step 5 leagues held on 8 January at Burton Albion FC, the Review Group presented their current thinking. An example of how a new structure might look was presented. It was emphasised that the example shown included all current Step 5 clubs and did not take into account if the club fully complied with the appropriate grading criteria.

 

There will also be two season’s normal club movements by way of promotion and relegation to take into account. The meeting also highlighted the following:

• That every effort should be made to establish 12 Step 5 divisions each of 22 clubs.
  
• To be included, Clubs must achieve Ground Grading Category F, as independently verified, by 31 March 2013.
  
• So as to not disadvantage any club, all clubs that meet the F Grade will be included in the new structure and to facilitate this, in the first season, 2013/2014, the number of clubs in each division may vary between 22 and 25.
  
• By adjustments being made to the number of relegated clubs from Step 5 over the following one or two seasons, numbers would reduce to 22 clubs.
  

The next stage of the consultation process sees all Step 5 clubs invited to attend a series of regional meetings to consider the current situation and have any concerns explained to them. These meetings are to take place as follows:

• Sunday 15 January at the Thurrock Hotel, Aveley
  
• Sunday 22 January at The West Riding County FA offices in Leeds
  
• Sunday 29 January at the Leicester Marriott Hotel
  
• Sunday 12 February at Yeovil Town FC
  

Based upon the feedback from both the leagues and clubs meetings the Leagues Committee will determine the way forward. The Review Group will also be looking at Step 6 in more detail in the coming months.

 

Commenting on the project Mike Appleby, Leagues and Clubs Manager, emphasised that this was very much work in progress and that no final decision had been made: “There are a number of inaccurate rumours circulating at the present time and we must await the outcome of the consultation process before any final recommendation is made.

 

"Part of the original aims of the restructure process was to try to equalise the travelling of clubs. It is inevitable therefore that some clubs will find an increase in their travel whilst some will see a reduction."

 

"The leagues themselves have asked that Step 5 and 6 be reviewed and we are following this through but I reiterate that no decision has been made and will not be made until the consultation process has been completed."

 

Should any restructure take place it will go into effect from season 2013/2014.

[keano]

Does anyone have details of the 12 Leagues from the current 14.

 

Details of proposed teams in those Leagues?

[HTFCew]

Does anyone have details of the 12 Leagues from the current 14.

 

Details of proposed teams in those Leagues?

 

See the first post on this thread - the link gives all the details. The proposed divisions are a current snapshot of how it could look - there will be 2 lots of promotion/relegation before it happens. The FA stress that this is just a proposal at present. They have 3 more regional meetings and will listen to all concerns and try to work around them.

 

Although it has not yet been decided who will administer the proposed 12 step 5 divisions, the London NW one consists of 20 current SSML clubs, plus Newport Pagnell, Kempston Rovers, Enfield 1893 and Wembley. Holmer Green are placed in Central, and Haringey Borough in London NE. The main dissenters at the meeting were from Sussex league clubs who are worried about the extra travelling - likewise a few clubs from north Essex who would have to move from the ECL to the London NE league (this is the ESL plus extras).

 

All clubs who have/gain an F grade by 31st Mar 2013 are guaranteed a place in the new step 5. Currently there are 20+ clubs at step 5 who do not have an F grade. 287 current step 5 clubs would be reduced to 264 in the two years following the restructure to bring the size of the divisions down to 22.

 

The step 4 leagues are looking at compulsory relegation instead of possible reprieves for clubs which finish bottom of their leagues which could increase the number of promotion places available.

Edited January 15, 2012 by HTFCew

[Uncle T]

Good summary of the meeting held today. Sussex league clubs were the dissenters, their league would disappear and so would the UCL although the FA did not approach the situation that way.

[tringarmy]

Grade F grading requirements below - although shouldn't all Step 5 clubs have this already?

 

I thought relegation of clubs such as Welwyn & Cockfosters already got rid of grounds without this grading a couple of years back

 

http://www.thefa.com...July%202011.pdf

Edited January 15, 2012 by tringarmy

[HTFCew]

Grade F grading requirements below - although shouldn't all Step 5 clubs have this already?

 

I thought relegation of clubs such as Welwyn & Cockfosters already got rid of grounds without this grading a couple of years back

 

http://www.thefa.com...July%202011.pdf

 

The SSML culled clubs but other leagues obviously didn't. Similarly, not all step 6 league ar all-floodlit.

[tringarmy]

Grade F grading requirements below - although shouldn't all Step 5 clubs have this already?

 

I thought relegation of clubs such as Welwyn & Cockfosters already got rid of grounds without this grading a couple of years back

 

http://www.thefa.com...July%202011.pdf

 

The SSML culled clubs but other leagues obviously didn't. Similarly, not all step 6 league ar all-floodlit.

 

I know to the West in the CCL Step 6 is not all floodlit and obviously Buckingham Town this season too which may force the likes of Amersham, Tik Tok, Hanwell or Holmer in that direction

[BUFC]

 

 

"The leagues themselves have asked that Step 5 and 6 be reviewed and we are following this through but I reiterate that no decision has been made and will not be made until the consultation process has been completed."

 

 

 

Poppycock..............as usual FA just showing lip service

[Krooner]

"The leagues themselves have asked that Step 5 and 6 be reviewed and we are following this through but I reiterate that no decision has been made and will not be made until the consultation process has been completed."

 

 

 

Poppycock..............as usual FA just showing lip service

 

Maybe or maybe not. I believe this will happen and clubs are best served putting pressure on for extra promotion places. Would be interested to know all our friends who have left our leagues and been promoted to Step 4 would support a change.

[HTFCew]

"The leagues themselves have asked that Step 5 and 6 be reviewed and we are following this through but I reiterate that no decision has been made and will not be made until the consultation process has been completed."

 

 

 

Poppycock..............as usual FA just showing lip service

 

Maybe or maybe not. I believe this will happen and clubs are best served putting pressure on for extra promotion places. Would be interested to know all our friends who have left our leagues and been promoted to Step 4 would support a change.

 

Bit like turkeys and Christmas for some of them!

A question that you'll probably be able to answer - in the good old days of Ryman Two I remember seeing Ralf Little play, but can't remember who for - was it Chertsey?