Some Justice at last.

[Loose]

Well thanks for your comments Diz, for a moment there I was worried that you had nothing to say about Stephen Lawrence but you seem to have picked up on an issue about Rhodes seeing things that are not there and that we disagree. Frequently. Now, can you see anywhere where I have not been factual or asked an impolite question?

[Diz]

With regards to this thread no.

 

With regards to the others well that would take too much time to digress, my employer wouldn't be happy. Even if I could get away with spending hours on the Internet during working hours I'd deem it unfair and quite wrong.

 

Back on topic

 

It's hard to say, almost impossible in fact to deny racism did not play any part in this incident.

 

Eltham and the surrounding areas at that time where rife with racism. I won't comment about nowadays as I couldn't comment on something I do not know, that would be Silly.

 

As mentioned before I hope others are bought to justice if evidence is there to convict. No doubt the two charged and sentenced will appeal dragging it out even further.

[Loose]

Good of you to come back on topic Diz. I'm glad you had a useful point to make.

[Rhodes]

But were you there Rhodesy, do you know different? How do you know they have a sinister agenda and why is Stephen Lawrences death not sinister?

It seems you only have guesswork and no answers to why you guess all this. I wonder why.

Loosely – I’m not saying that David Norris and Gary Dobson aren’t guilty of Stephen Lawrence’s senseless murder but do you know for a fact that they are racist

 

 

[Loose]

You seem to be saying quite a lot but none of it is answering whether you know better. Why don't you ask Diz or JR?

 

You do seem to have a bee in your bonnet over this, maybe it would help if you said why you think they are not?

[Rhodes]

maybe it would help if you said why you think they are not?

Loosely - I didn't say that Norris and Dobson weren't racist though did I, I merely asked whether you had concrete proof that they were as you appear to think it was a race related murder.

[missunderstood]

What do other forum users think of the alleged proposal by the Metropolitan Police to break up the Stephen Lawrence murder team?

 

My own personal opinion is that some of the longer serving officers on the case may have gone stale, and some new faces with different ways of working could freshen things up considerably, even though experience should never be underestimated.

[Loose]

maybe it would help if you said why you think they are not?

Loosely - I didn't say that Norris and Dobson weren't racist though did I, I merely asked whether you had concrete proof that they were as you appear to think it was a race related murder.

And I merely asked if you knew anything different.

 

Yawn.

[Rhodes]

Loosely - You think you're so clever don't you, personally I don't believe Stephen Lawrence's murder was race related, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time like you or me could have been

[Loose]

Loosely - You think you're so clever don't you, personally I don't believe Stephen Lawrence's murder was race related, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time like you or me could have been

Not sure why you have to make a personal attack but it always seems the case. Everyone had been enjoying a polite exchange of views before you joined with I must say what seems a strange agenda.

 

Never mind.

[Rhodes]

Loosely - What I don't understand is why you constantly go on Forums such as this one at all, you're a smart intellectual bloke and, as you will have us believe, a former high powered businessman so I'm sure you can fill your time doing other worthwhile things such as lecturing at Universities and Colleges for example rather than sitting at home seemingly waiting for me to post something just so you can be opposite.

[Loose]

Rhodesy - you can't half chat some sh1t but this is a forum and thats your right just as it's mine but there's only you determined to have an argument on this topic. Not one of your posts has held even a grain of truth and that my friend is your responsibility alone.

 

A shame that you've ruined this topic.

[Rhodes]

Loosely - Who's having an argument, you're the one avoiding the question so I repeat you're a smart intellectual bloke and, as you will have us all believe, a former high powered business executive with Nestle so I'm sure you can fill your time doing far more worthwhile things such as guest speaking at Universities and Colleges for example rather than sitting at home all day long seemingly waiting for me to post something just so you can be opposite.

 

 

[Loose]

Well perhaps we can be allowed to get back on topic and leave Rhodes to have his little argument all by himself while there is an update on the issue with an article in the Mail online:-

 

"Police will question me again says 'the sixth man' in the Stephen Lawrence inquiry"

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083894/Stephen-Lawrence-case-Michael-Bunn-says-expects-questioned-police.html

 

As reported : -

 

'A childhood friend of the killers of Stephen Lawrence, identified as a possible 'sixth member' of the gang responsible for the racist attack, said he expects to be questioned again over the death.'

 

Further : -

 

'According to the Sunday Times, Mr Bunn believes police may attempt to re-question him following last week's caution from Metropolitan Police Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe that suspects should 'not rest easily in their beds'.'

[Big J R]

I would have thought the video evidence used in court taken in one of the defendents flats would have proved beyond doubt that they were/are racist, and therefore, and bearing in mind specific reference made by one to what he wanted to do in Catford, that this killing WAS racist.

[Loose]

So now while the dust is settling and while the case seems to have set off "working class are this or that" recriminations is everyone happy with what the people of this country have given up in order that our justice system could eventually achieve a result?

 

(And no Rhodesy, for me this trial around was never about "the" racism).

[Rhodes]

However...Witnesses to the murder said he was attacked by a gang of white youths chanting racist slogans.

Loosely - You're the one who actually brought up racism in the first place, Stephen Lawrence's killers may have been chanting racist slogans but that doesn't necessarily mean the murder was racially motivated although the witnesses would automatically come to that conclusion.

[Loose]

However...Witnesses to the murder said he was attacked by a gang of white youths chanting racist slogans.

Loosely - You're the one who actually brought up racism in the first place, Stephen Lawrence's killers may have been chanting racist slogans but that doesn't necessarily mean the murder was racially motivated although the witnesses would automatically come to that conclusion.

 

Rhodes - not at all, if you'd like to check page 1 of this thread - post number 12 you will find that you bring "the racism aspect" up for the first time. I wish you'd make more of an effort to be accurate.

 

 

 

Anyway, my question still stands and I wonder whether people are happy that the Legal Authorities have achieved this "result" and at what "cost"?

[Loose]

News that the police are investigating fresh evidence since the convictions of Norris and Dobbs into the rest of the gang who viciously attacked and murdered teenager Stephen Lawrence. It appears that either people with evidence have more confidence now in the police and courts or have less to fear with possibly the two most vicious gang members safely tucked away.

 

http://www.fit4talent.com/news/stephen-lawrence-murder-investigation-continues/330/

[Big J R]

News that the police are investigating fresh evidence since the convictions of Norris and Dobbs into the rest of the gang who viciously attacked and murdered teenager Stephen Lawrence. It appears that either people with evidence have more confidence now in the police and courts or have less to fear with possibly the two most vicious gang members safely tucked away.

 

http://www.fit4talen...-continues/330/

 

A bit like when Ronnie and Reg got banged up, then !!