Waltham Abbey vs Enfield Town

[seemgee]

1-0 down 35 mins

[seemgee]

1-1 Liam Hopes record continues

[seemgee]

1-2 down 65 mins

[seemgee]

2-2 Adam Wallace 73 mins

[Father Jack]

2-2 result. Mad game!

[andyetfc]

Can someone define 'mad'?

[seemgee]

But we are again top of the league

Edited December 26, 2011 by seemgee

[Bald Fella]

Mad..... End to end, heavy pitch, shakey defences ( both ) Oh and the ref!

[thecoldend]

Bald Fella, I thought the ref was rather harshly criticised by some of the supporters present. I don't think he got any of the decisions he had to make wrong really...

 

All in all...after a bit of a poor first half (we can't play well all the time) a point earned on a awful pitch against a decent going forward Abbey side. TOP OF THE LEAGUE!!

 

Match highlights below inc all four goals...Liam's was another quality team goal.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNvkLewo6XU&feature=youtu.be

[Bald Fella]

Yeah he wasn't the worst by a long way, just felt he made four wrong calls in the Wabbey box in the first half albeit the two corners levelled themselves out!

Superb camera work as always!

[Steph]

I dont think that the ref was bad but he got no help from the lino on the graveyard side who missed at least two blatant offsides in the second half. One when there were three players he could have called for at the end of the day made no difference to the result.

[NowhereMan]

As someone who is both a Town fan first and also a referee assessor i tend to see the game differently to some of our more myopic and biased fans whose reason for coming to football matches is to scream abuse at the officials even when they're good. The referee yesterday had a good game and got all the major decisions right. None of the handball shouts were ones that should've been given (although they do get given at times). Apart from one guy this season the standard of officiating is quite high for this level so we really should be giving the guys a break. A patchy performance by Town on a heavy pitch that wasnt condusive to our passing style that we've grown accustomed to at the QEII.

[Steph]

Went to Arsenal Wolves yesterday.

 

The ref blew for a foul in the first three minutes for a shoulder to shoulder tussle for the ball close to the touchline. My mate and I both turned to each other and had the same thought.

 

A ryman ref would not have given that! There was far less bodily contact in the AW game and the ref blew for innocuous fouls. I was not close enough to give a definitive view of the sending off however from my angle I dont think a Ryman ref would have sent the player off.

 

Why is it that we are supposed to be playing the same game, the rules have not changed dramatically since I first went to football however the game style has changed and refs are a part of that. The higher the level the less that players challenge and the more yellow/red cards handed out?

[Bald Fella]

Just out of interest, what is a major decision NowhereMan? Sending offs, Penaltys ? What about corners, free kicks in shooting range bookings? Im not digging anyone out here but never had the ear of an assessor before and wondered what a ref is assessed on. I thought the Boxing day refs control of play was excellent but like I said wasn't over impressed with his first half around the Wabbey box.

And I dont think anyone goes to football to scream abuse at the ref, its just invariably his fault when we dont play well :-)

[NowhereMan]

Just out of interest, what is a major decision NowhereMan? Sending offs, Penaltys ? What about corners, free kicks in shooting range bookings? Im not digging anyone out here but never had the ear of an assessor before and wondered what a ref is assessed on. I thought the Boxing day refs control of play was excellent but like I said wasn't over impressed with his first half around the Wabbey box.

And I dont think anyone goes to football to scream abuse at the ref, its just invariably his fault when we dont play well :-)

 

I don't assess at "Contrib" Level so i'm not privvy to the exact specifics that the assessors work to, but from talking to the Assessor at the Thamesmead home game it appears to be more nit picky than you would someone on Enfield Playing Fields.

Its broken down into "Application of Law" "Match Control" "Positioning and Fitness" "Alertness/Awareness" "Advantage" "Teamwork".

Knowing the Laws isnt enough and these guys do know them believe me despite what you may think!!! it's how they interpret them that matters more. Match Control speaks for itself really if you can control the game without having to resort to cards then all well and good but if a ref fails to deal with stuff that he should deal with then his problems start.

"Positioning" plays a part in making a "credible" decision so that is an important part of an assessor's remit too.

With regard to what is a "Major decision" IMO it's anything in and around the Penalty area be it a foul/no foul?, inside or outside the box? Goal /No Goal? Example that springs immediately to mind is the Grays pen. Correct decision to award it as GK never got near the ball contacted the player and as the player was going wide of the goal it isn't a Goal Scoring opportunity so a Yellow Card was the correct course of action taken. On Monday "Gunz" went down far too cheaply for my liking so i agree with the ref's non award there, none of the handball claims were clearcut enough for me either. We all know that had they have been given against us there would be abuse hurled at the ref so double standards are rife in this game all the time.

There are people at grounds who do actually just go to vent their spleen at the refs despite what you may think. We do have our own culprits too and i've heard them do it even when we've been 5 up at Sudbury and 6 up at Brentwood last year.

[Barney]

Very good post NowhereMan - it's interesting to know what is being looked for when a ref is being assessed. Also, I tend to agree that we do have a few at Town who seem to revel in moaning at the ref win or lose, good or bad and that it doesn't do the club any favours. By all means shout at the ref at the time of a contentious decision - I do that, and it's part of what home advantage is about, but people making the effort to go round to berate the ref once the game/half is finished is counter productive and gives us a bad name.

 

Refs are going to get things wrong from time to time, and it's part of the game, but I think generally speaking we have a pretty good standard of refs and assistants in the league.

[NowhereMan]

Just as a further point Mr.Assessor is NOT making judgements on the Referees' decisions as obviously that would be subjective and would defeat the object. He may slip in a word of advice on how something could be handled but that's about it. The Assessor is there purely to oversee the whole performance and at the end He/She has a column at the bottom of the page where you list "Strengths" and then "Development Points". Note the terminology doesnt say weaknesses!!!

[Enfield United]

The WaBBEY game was the last game I managed to attend and to be honest I thought the abusing of the Ref and one assistant Ref was extremely unwarranted and as stated in these post's, certain fan's clearly set out to act this way before a ball had been kicked.

 

The abuse was so unwarranted that it was indeed embarrassing. I ended up moving away and watching the game away from the 1-2 main individuels. It was certainly refreshing When viewing the game with another section of supporters who were openly criticising the abuser's, however from afar, but the view was the same as the majority who squirmed and felt embarrassed we have these individuels hanging onto us.

 

One thing that is important, other than the image of the club is we get many postings which moan (rightly so) of the lack of younger supporters attending our games. Well I would think twice of letting my youngsters attend if the norm was to hear this kind of tripe being shouted at the officials continuosly for little reason if any. However, i'm in a fortunate position to know that we are talking of a minority of supporters you can count on 2-3 fingers.

 

What a good bank holiday gate of 498, congratulations to all involved, here's hoping for 3pts at Romford, which won't be easy by any means before we get another bench mark on home attendances when we host Brentwood. the following week.

 

Up the Town, onwards and upwards both on and off the pitch.

[thecoldend]

I totally agree with EU's comments.... The Ray Winstone/FA respect campaign a few years back was aimed at youth football but some fans (not just of ETFC) need to take the advice given below ...

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezZ2ZRfSsLY

[andyetfc]

The WaBBEY game was the last game I managed to attend and to be honest I thought the abusing of the Ref and one assistant Ref was extremely unwarranted and as stated in these post's, certain fan's clearly set out to act this way before a ball had been kicked.

 

The abuse was so unwarranted that it was indeed embarrassing. I ended up moving away and watching the game away from the 1-2 main individuels. It was certainly refreshing When viewing the game with another section of supporters who were openly criticising the abuser's, however from afar, but the view was the same as the majority who squirmed and felt embarrassed we have these individuels hanging onto us.

 

One thing that is important, other than the image of the club is we get many postings which moan (rightly so) of the lack of younger supporters attending our games. Well I would think twice of letting my youngsters attend if the norm was to hear this kind of tripe being shouted at the officials continuosly for little reason if any. However, i'm in a fortunate position to know that we are talking of a minority of supporters you can count on 2-3 fingers.

 

What a good bank holiday gate of 498, congratulations to all involved, here's hoping for 3pts at Romford, which won't be easy by any means before we get another bench mark on home attendances when we host Brentwood. the following week.

 

Up the Town, onwards and upwards both on and off the pitch.

 

If we were to go through previous posts/threads, then people will see that this matter has been raised on several occasions.

 

It's the same when certain individuals continually throw insults at opposing goalkeepers. Why do they do this? Would they do it if the 'keepers were able to give as much as they get? Probably not.

 

Please do not say 'it's part of the game' as continually abusing someone isn't.