How long does Edinburgh get?

[finisterre]

I'm usually the last to have a knee-jerk reaction and say 'Sack the manager!' - and in fact I'm not even really saying that now, more posting the question for discussion.

 

We lost at home again tonight, and now are rock bottom (5 points adrift of 4th bottom) with 8 points from 14 games.

 

I appeciate, we're short on money at the moment, and that the team is much weaker than at the same time last year - but all the same what do we do now?

 

Are we just going to plod on like this and almost certainly go down, or do we set a date where we say enough is enough, and make some changes? The most obvious change being the Manager. Could it be that Edinburgh just isn't up to scratch when it come to tactics and man motivation? Do we need someone who'll put a rocket up the team?

 

We're out of the FA cup, and have lost a few tens of thousands of pounds we'd have got for a good run. I'd really hate to see us go out of the Premier league too!

 

Thoughts?

 

 

[pabird]

The only solid reason for letting Edinburgh go would be to bring in some wrinkled type who knows premier players in depth and who could bring them in for the same money you are paying the present group

Your real problem is a lack of cash and then even if you suddenly gained the cash would possible incoming players trust the club after the past couple of seasons performance where cash faded away before the end of season and players were dumped

You have a major problem that needs new blood at high level bringing in cash and trust

 

[Dilbert]

If it's cash and trust then the change has to be at the top. Only way to get confidence back in the club is to have a new Chairman.

[paulc27]

I dont think its Justins fault, more the people around him. Im sure after over ten years at the highest level he can offer a wealth of experience but one thing he cant offer is a knowledge of the nonleague world. How would Justin himself know where to get the players from? He has to listen to those around him and also has to meet the budget. I think the biggest prob is the lack of experience in our team. The vast majority are making a step up in leagues and Justin really should have seen that we need some old heads. I cant believe that we couldnt get some old heads for the same cost as the youth we have. Getting rid of the chairman is only an option if someone with a fat wallet comes in. Mr Moore probably thought getting Justin in was a good move as im sure many of us did. Its no secret we have no money but from the way i see it is that the club have to work out if running a tight ship, and the way things are heading, taking relegation is safer for the long term future of the club rather than stretching it to the limit, getting some decent players in thus ensuring we make this new conference which in turn will increase revenue as we wont be up against teams like Tilbury etc.

Im sure the chairman isnt happy with this situation we are in as being relegated (im sorry to mention the R word but it is a serious risk now) as it cant be helping the clubs cause in getting the new stadium.

The one complaint i have of justin is he is too quiet during games and only gets going when shouting at the ref/lino. No programme notes from him either. At least with Borgy and calder you knew that they were as unhappy as we were during games.

I think we were all expecting Justin to be playing more than he has and even Polston too.

its all very very worrying.

At the end of the day Justin cant coach average players into great players, but given a chance he could coach good players into better players.

[Simon BTFC]

I don't think our style of play is conducive to a relegation scrap - we're not going to get the scrappy points that are needed to pull us up the table. After last season when I felt we were quite a dour side to watch much of the time, I feel that it is commendable that under Justin we are trying to play some decent attacking football. However we're very lightweight physically, and as such are going to struggle to grind out results. Perhaps it's time to lose a couple of the midget midfielders (Hunter and Ritchie are the two most struggling to make an impression in my view) and bring in a couple of "lumps", in particular a centre back.

[pabird]

The downward trend started in fits and starts over the past three seasons

I.E. Calder,Borg,Edinburgh

So who is to blame, is it the coaching the team management or the club management?

[Jimboy]

[color:"blue"]Or is it to do with behind the scenes at the the club ?

 

Don't think you can fault Gary Calder or George Borg as Managers/Coaches at this level.

Dunno about Justin Ed, but most BTFC supporters don't have a bad word to say about him or his style of managment. [/color]

 

[GazzaBTFC]

Jimboy, you of couse wiouldn't fault 'em would you.......Lets just wait and see...

[Simon BTFC]

Part of the problem is that for the past two seasons under Calder we were a)Hopelessly inconsistant, both in terms of effort and commitment and b)For the most part unexciting to watch. "Floating" fans won't watch a team unless there is a decent chance they'll be entertained. Since the FA cup exit to Tiverton October 2001 we lurched from one bad spell to another, with a high turnover of players. One (and I emphasise the 1 - I'm not suggesting only) reason we struggled financially is that over the past 2 seasons attendances have dropped due to the poor fare on offer on the pitch. You could argue that if Billericay had been better to watch and had managed one cup run, beating either Tierton or Havant then we wouldn't have got into a mess last season.

 

Now as I said, it would be entirely unfair to dump all the blame on Gary Calder, and the way he conducted himself in the second half of last season was extremely worthy of credit. There are issues that need to be addressed off the pitch, and when we emerge from the limbo of waiting for the stadium decision then I guess we'll have a better idea of where the future lies.

[pabird]

Gazza I have learned to appreciate non-league over the last 5/6 years and the clubs that form the history and there can be no doubt that your club deserves better than the spell it is going through

History says you are now on the slippery slope to nowhere or you pull in new money

New money almost always means a change at the top

[paulc27]

the outcome of the hearing is clearly more vital that i think most of us thought when the news of us moving was announced. All the local papers have quoted Rod this week as saying the club is losing 50k a year and that without the stadium move we would be forced to take voluntary relegation. Maybe this is the reason no immediate action or money has been spent on the team this season, as if we get turned down for the statium the club is most likely going to be forced to relegate itself if we are not relegated on the pitch.

[Little Miss Urchin]

Rubbish. I firmly believe in the saying 'where there's a will there's a way' and if Mr Moore wanted Billericay to survive where it is and be successful he'd work to make it so.

 

If I was chairlady of Hornchurch I'd work damned hard to make sure my club was successful in all areas. I'd also make sure I kept everyone up-to-date with what was happening and not ignore numerous requests to find out events surrounding the club.

 

Moore may have made an announcement in the press, but you must ask yourselves what he isn't telling you, not question the information he has given.

 

If Chelmsford are sharing your pitch then surely they must be paying some sort of rent. To me, this is basically 'free' money that could have easily been spent to keep the pitch in good order and thus more appropriate to play on. Who knows, as was mentioned earlier, your players may have found it easier to play on and been more successful as a result. Did I read that it would have cost £100 per day to water the pitch during the summer? As hard as I find that to believe maybe it is true. If money is as tight as Moore says it is, than I can see that finding £100 per day might be difficult, so why not water it 3 or 4 times a week just to keep things 'ticking over' until the rain arrived? It seems incredibly shortsighted and, dare I say, selfish not to water it at all.

 

Words don't seem to get Rod Moores attention. Maybe something else needs to be done.

[Ryan.c]

Now as far as I can see, [****!!****] attendances = reduced income for the club via turnstiles, bar etc. I don't know if anybodys noticed but our our crowds have been appaling so far this season (and halfway through last season as well). As far as I know this club is not or has ever been in a position where an individual has poured cash in solely for the benefit of the manager. This club has always relied on good support (I.E. peoples feet going through the turnstiles and into the bar) as its major income. When supporters stop coming so the money dries up. The best players cost money, the not so good ones cost less, get my drift. It's easy to say we need to do this, this and this to the team, but money has to be found and books have to balanced. Now unless there is a tree that bears fruit in the guise of £50 notes hidden somewhere at New Lodge then the only answer is to get more supporters down to New Lodge.

[Andy Walsh]

I know Billericay have money problems and Justin is new to management, but this doesn't disguise the fact he's under performing as manager. Our squad is not great, but it's not bad enough to be bottom of the league. With the players we've got we should be about 15th.

 

Although the squad is a lot worse than this time last season it's a lot better than the squad that finished 12th. Gary Calder motivated a pretty rubbish team to beat Canvey. Someone mentioned Justin could turn good players into great players. If he was a good manager he could get the best out of whoever he's working with. The players aren't as bad as everyone is making out. Most players are under performing, but it's up to Justin to turn it around.

 

I think he should be given until mid November(5 or 6 league games) to turn it around or he should be replaced. It's time for the players to start grinding out results. Until things turn around the crowds won't return and maybe a new manager might bring back a bit of optimism from the stay away supporters.

 

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[Little Miss Urchin]

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Now unless there is a tree that bears fruit in the guise of £50 notes hidden somewhere at New Lodge

Sorry, dug it up. It's in my back garden now.

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[c'mon ricay]

A manager should be given at least half a season. We need to be looking higher upper to Rod as that is were the promblems lye as the fact that we have a poor quality squad caused by the lack of money at the start of the season caused by fallling attednces caused by Basildon which was then made even worse by the mass exdos of players towards the end of last seaosn and the poor perfomances this season.