Tues 6th Dec

[no melts]

Sean Rivers?

 

Yes Sean rivers had great 1st game for us looked sharp and dangerous round box and could of got a couple, great link up play with Jason pinnick.

Are linesman gave offside when he took a player on and kept the ball with no other attacker near him. Ref hand a good game so there are a few good ones out there

[BlueAndWhiteArmy]

The ref walked straight off the pitch last night before players an management staff an didn't come in bar after. Good luck Guildford for rest of season.

The Ref in one of our games the other week threatened to send a player off after the game if he didn't walk back onto the pitch to shake all three of the officials hands.

 

As for not staying, well they should be treated the same as clubs when they fail to show. Midweek game or not, it's out of respect to the hosting club!

I agree but am not sure on what the rules state on this maybe someone out there could help on that. I find this unfair as there was hot food put on for the officials.

[Gluck_ab]

I agree with Footy Mad's comments on not naming the officials - in effect, the converse of this would be referees naming the players and management of teams who in their opinion have had bad games or have given the officials grief over decisions they've made. Think how those individuals might feel about it, personally and professionally. Even though that would be very, very easy to do I've not seen it done before as I don't believe it achieves anything in the long-run bar satisfying that individual's desire to vent their feelings in a public forum.

 

As Wattsy stated in a previous post of his, 'think before you post.' Constructive criticism based on sound evidence and reasoning is, i believe, acceptable as all involved can learn from that. Anything other than should be treated accordingly.

[HTFCSUPPORTER]

With regards to milesy post an comments after I have to say that the ref last night was awful. Lino was to blame for first goal as was offside be they can happen in any game. Guildfords second goal was bad defending and good play by Guildford and probably deserved to take the lead again at that point in the match. The ref wasn't on Guildfords side first half and made some bad decisions against them and as a park player I even said to him last night tht he got that wrong but we would take it. Second half it was the penalty decision against us that cost us which clearly was not a pen and the excuses the lino gave to me was awful intent to foul when all was doing was standing up to block a cross. Guildfords fourth goal defending error by park put the Guildford play in on goal. Guildford well deserved the win last night but all I think south park posters in here are trying to say is that if it was a different ref the game would have been much more enjoyable to play in outcome may have been the same but it would have probably been a much more entertaining game and enjoyable for the supporters.

The ref walked straight off the pitch last night before players an management staff an didn't come in bar after. Good luck Guildford for rest of season.

 

Got to be honest it looked like the ref didnt have the best of evenings but from where I was standing it definately looked like a penalty.

[Krooner]

IMHO unless the referee has given a reason for being unable to stay after the match, before the game has started, then I think it does show a lack of respect for the home club who will have done them refreshments. Would be good to know why he didnt.

 

Had he gone in would you have had a quiet chat over a drink with him Milesy about the game and what you thought he did wrong ?

[Smudge]

No thought at all for the Paying Public,how are these lower grade Officials,who can ruin anyone's enjoyment on the day,be weeded out.Does anyone who appoints them ever go to watch them,my guess is NO,so same old,same old.Gluck do you go and watch Officials in your League,or rely on marks provided by Clubs.

[Smudge]

IMHO unless the referee has given a reason for being unable to stay after the match, before the game has started, then I think it does show a lack of respect for the home club who will have done them refreshments. Would be good to know why he didnt.

 

Had he gone in would you have had a quiet chat over a drink with him Milesy about the game and what you thought he did wrong ?

 

Milesy would of bought him a beer Kroons,he is that kind of chap.Will the Oficials be fined Kroons?

[BlueAndWhiteArmy]

Even if the had ref come in the bar and any one of us had ask for a general quiet conversation about a few things I wouldn't have thought he would have given us the time of day seemed like that sort of person IMO I may be wrong what do you think people that were at the game or played last night?

[Gluck_ab]

Smudge

 

I'm a referee on the CCL not one of the League Officials. If I don't have a game as a referee in the CCL or as an AR in the Contributory Leagues then I will go and watch a local CCL game. I do this for a number of reasons: as an opportunity to watch a game rather than doing something non-football related instead, as an opportunity to watch the officials as I think this is beneficial (and I might learn something too) and to, potentially, provide some balance to the post-match reports and posts that are critical of referees being based on a lack of knowledge of the laws of the game.

 

It's been stated before that referees in the CCL Premier Division (I can't speak for Division 1 and the Reserves) are regularly assessed by FA accredited assessors and, along with club marks, these contribute to the half and end of season bandings in which a referee will be placed. The bandings run from A to E in both categories and referees placed in bands E and E are subject to demotion.

 

Note that the period over which bandings run are from 01 March - 31 October and 01 November - 28 February so this would reflect consistent good or bad performance over an extended period of time as opposed to judging a referee purely on the basis of a couple of games.

[newby marvel]

Ref - G Collins

Asst Refs - P Maskell & A Hudson

 

All way out of their depth

gavin collins ..............young bit of a toby?

[milesy4]

Gluck-ab - didn't banshee do just this on the first page, though? Commenting on players' performances? I couldn't work out whether the poor game comment was as aimed at me personally or SP team though.

 

Honestly, I doubt I would have tried Kroons as he showed his intention to want nothing to do with the players on the pitch, which was reiterated by walking away after the final whistle. As BAWA said, I don't personally believe he would have even entertained it.

 

Just to confirm, i wasnt taking anything away from Guildford/sour grapes, they are a good side, certainly the top 2 from seeing almost every side this season now and will most likely win it. I think their better fitness also played a part in their performance last night.

 

 

[Smudge]

Smudge

 

I'm a referee on the CCL not one of the League Officials. If I don't have a game as a referee in the CCL or as an AR in the Contributory Leagues then I will go and watch a local CCL game. I do this for a number of reasons: as an opportunity to watch a game rather than doing something non-football related instead, as an opportunity to watch the officials as I think this is beneficial (and I might learn something too) and to, potentially, provide some balance to the post-match reports and posts that are critical of referees being based on a lack of knowledge of the laws of the game.

 

It's been stated before that referees in the CCL Premier Division (I can't speak for Division 1 and the Reserves) are regularly assessed by FA accredited assessors and, along with club marks, these contribute to the half and end of season bandings in which a referee will be placed. The bandings run from A to E in both categories and referees placed in bands E and E are subject to demotion.

 

Note that the period over which bandings run are from 01 March - 31 October and 01 November - 28 February so this would reflect consistent good or bad performance over an extended period of time as opposed to judging a referee purely on the basis of a couple of games.

 

Thanks for your reply,very informative.So an Official in Band E at the 31st October,will be perservered with until 28th February,no player would be given this luxury,he would be shown the door.

[NICE GUY]

Banshee - Your profile says "supports Banstead" yet you were at the Guildford game? Scouting?

Observer 89 - We had a player sent off recently and he got a 3 game ban and a £50 fine!

 

My wife went to Epsom v Sutton in the SSC last night.

Just thumbed through the programme.

80 pages - in colour, tons to read, well laid out, minimal advertising and all for £2. How do EEFC afford to do this?

Great effort!

 

 

From the money they sold for their ground.............!

I think the pressure put on the referee last night by the Guildford players constantly berating him after any slight bit of contact - lead to him having a poor game. It's a shame as they are easily good enough to win games without influencing officials.

 

They probably deserved to win it, although maybe not 4-1. If the linesman infront of the Guildford bench wasn't so eager to give them a penalty when there was clearly no contact - it may have been a different story.

 

Guildford will win the league IMO. Hope they get promoted this year too as will be good to see if they can take the same arrogance in to the Ryman league or whether they will struggle not being the big fishes anymore. Very good side, but don't they just know it!

 

 

Usually players antics are led by the 'captain of the ship' in this case Raynor who is no angel when I've seen him and his team on quite a few occasions.

 

I think there is some Sour Grapes here on South Park's behalf, its no shame to get beat by Guildford as they are a good team....but why ? Can it be also put down to their antics as well as being good players ?

 

When will teams and people start listening, I have said so many times on this site that Guildford bully opponents and ref's by pressurising and surrounding him. I really would like to look at their disciplinary record, not the best I would suggest. They also intimidate the opposition, whind up players and get them sent off, then they play against 10 men ..............usually, if they don't get one of their own players following suit ! Clever or not ?

 

When will clubs realise and learn ! I for one hope they get promoted then thats 'The Spectrum' out of the way.......lol !

[Gluck_ab]

Milesy

 

I've just reread Banshee's post and i'm not sure of the context in which he makes his comments which I think are based on the team - is he a club supporter, neutral, a referee, etc? I can't see any comments specific to individual players which is the point I was trying to make - that naming names doesn't achieve anything and I've not seen a referee on this forum (not that I know all their user names) specifically name a player or manager who's given them a hard time.

 

Personally, as players and referees, individually and collectively (the officials being a team too), I think we know when we've had a good or bad game. Learning from it (through constructive criticism) and doing better next time is the easier said than done bit.

 

I think most officials are happy to discuss their discussions in a civilised manner after the game in the bar / boardroom although unfortunately this isn't always the case. Unfortunately I have experienced the opposite of this as a referee and an AR where my / our intentions were genuine but the 'discussion' degenerated to one-sided haranguing and an early exit by yours truly.

[Gluck_ab]

Smudge

 

Would he? As an equivalent, what if the player had performed at A, B, C or even D in the previous period or performed consistently at one of those grades for a number of periods? Referees have form in the same way players do and there are many factors to consider - illness, fitness, return from injury, lack of confidence, etc.

 

As I understand it, demotion is based on the position in bandings at the end of the season and on consecutive periods not just on one.

[Smudge]

Banshee - Your profile says "supports Banstead" yet you were at the Guildford game? Scouting?

Observer 89 - We had a player sent off recently and he got a 3 game ban and a £50 fine!

 

My wife went to Epsom v Sutton in the SSC last night.

Just thumbed through the programme.

80 pages - in colour, tons to read, well laid out, minimal advertising and all for £2. How do EEFC afford to do this?

Great effort!

 

 

From the money they sold for their ground.............!

I think the pressure put on the referee last night by the Guildford players constantly berating him after any slight bit of contact - lead to him having a poor game. It's a shame as they are easily good enough to win games without influencing officials.

 

They probably deserved to win it, although maybe not 4-1. If the linesman infront of the Guildford bench wasn't so eager to give them a penalty when there was clearly no contact - it may have been a different story.

 

Guildford will win the league IMO. Hope they get promoted this year too as will be good to see if they can take the same arrogance in to the Ryman league or whether they will struggle not being the big fishes anymore. Very good side, but don't they just know it!

 

 

Usually players antics are led by the 'captain of the ship' in this case Raynor who is no angel when I've seen him and his team on quite a few occasions.

 

I think there is some Sour Grapes here on South Park's behalf, its no shame to get beat by Guildford as they are a good team....but why ? Can it be also put down to their antics as well as being good players ?

 

When will teams and people start listening, I have said so many times on this site that Guildford bully opponents and ref's by pressurising and surrounding him. I really would like to look at their disciplinary record, not the best I would suggest. They also intimidate the opposition, whind up players and get them sent off, then they play against 10 men ..............usually, if they don't get one of their own players following suit ! Clever or not ?

 

When will clubs realise and learn ! I for one hope they get promoted then thats 'The Spectrum' out of the way.......lol !

 

Tell us what you really think N.G.NO HOLDING BACK.

[Molly11]

What i took from the game:

 

Did Guildford deserves 3 points? - Yes

Did the officals cost us 2 goals? - Yes

Would it of effected the outcome? - No

 

We didnt defend well enough against a team that IMO will win the league again, they play 4-2-4 and are confident that there defence is good enough to cope when teams attacking them, then break quickly with pace. I dont like Refs that shout at players and reply with a aggressive tone, but i doubt Refs enjoy players constant whining and abusing them either. Both teams were as bad as one another.

[NICE GUY]

Banshee - Your profile says "supports Banstead" yet you were at the Guildford game? Scouting?

Observer 89 - We had a player sent off recently and he got a 3 game ban and a £50 fine!

 

My wife went to Epsom v Sutton in the SSC last night.

Just thumbed through the programme.

80 pages - in colour, tons to read, well laid out, minimal advertising and all for £2. How do EEFC afford to do this?

Great effort!

 

 

From the money they sold for their ground.............!

I think the pressure put on the referee last night by the Guildford players constantly berating him after any slight bit of contact - lead to him having a poor game. It's a shame as they are easily good enough to win games without influencing officials.

 

They probably deserved to win it, although maybe not 4-1. If the linesman infront of the Guildford bench wasn't so eager to give them a penalty when there was clearly no contact - it may have been a different story.

 

Guildford will win the league IMO. Hope they get promoted this year too as will be good to see if they can take the same arrogance in to the Ryman league or whether they will struggle not being the big fishes anymore. Very good side, but don't they just know it!

 

 

Usually players antics are led by the 'captain of the ship' in this case Raynor who is no angel when I've seen him and his team on quite a few occasions.

 

I think there is some Sour Grapes here on South Park's behalf, its no shame to get beat by Guildford as they are a good team....but why ? Can it be also put down to their antics as well as being good players ?

 

When will teams and people start listening, I have said so many times on this site that Guildford bully opponents and ref's by pressurising and surrounding him. I really would like to look at their disciplinary record, not the best I would suggest. They also intimidate the opposition, whind up players and get them sent off, then they play against 10 men ..............usually, if they don't get one of their own players following suit ! Clever or not ?

 

When will clubs realise and learn ! I for one hope they get promoted then thats 'The Spectrum' out of the way.......lol !

 

Tell us what you really think N.G.NO HOLDING BACK.

 

No need to, only saying as I've seen it with my own eyes.................and being truthful !

[NICE GUY]

What i took from the game:

 

Did Guildford deserves 3 points? - Yes

Did the officals cost us 2 goals? - Yes

Would it of effected the outcome? - No

 

We didnt defend well enough against a team that IMO will win the league again, they play 4-2-4 and are confident that there defence is good enough to cope when teams attacking them, then break quickly with pace. I dont like Refs that shout at players and reply with a aggressive tone, but i doubt Refs enjoy players constant whining and abusing them either. Both teams were as bad as one another.

 

In games I have seen, you are correct Molly, their usual 2 wing backs/wide midfield players Gibbs and Moody do not back track but having 1-2 holding centre m/f they defend with 6-7 including the keeper and attack with 4-5 going forward. With their high line they sqeeze the midfield area so the 2 central are not suspect to too much space in between or around them. Defence like all are vulnerable but they are marshalled well, so opposing teams should think of ideas on how to beat their high line ? Camberley are very similiar........

 

I think Molly that ref's (who talk to each other) are being made aware of Guildford's antics, hence your comments. WEAK ref's will bow down to the constant intimidation of the Guildford's players that why it appears that decisions seem yp go Guildford's way. ...........Clever or not ?

Edited December 7, 2011 by NICE GUY

[Jakesfanclub]

Banshee - Your profile says "supports Banstead" yet you were at the Guildford game? Scouting?

Observer 89 - We had a player sent off recently and he got a 3 game ban and a £50 fine!

 

My wife went to Epsom v Sutton in the SSC last night.

Just thumbed through the programme.

80 pages - in colour, tons to read, well laid out, minimal advertising and all for £2. How do EEFC afford to do this?

Great effort!

 

 

From the money they sold for their ground.............!

I think the pressure put on the referee last night by the Guildford players constantly berating him after any slight bit of contact - lead to him having a poor game. It's a shame as they are easily good enough to win games without influencing officials.

 

They probably deserved to win it, although maybe not 4-1. If the linesman infront of the Guildford bench wasn't so eager to give them a penalty when there was clearly no contact - it may have been a different story.

 

Guildford will win the league IMO. Hope they get promoted this year too as will be good to see if they can take the same arrogance in to the Ryman league or whether they will struggle not being the big fishes anymore. Very good side, but don't they just know it!

 

 

Usually players antics are led by the 'captain of the ship' in this case Raynor who is no angel when I've seen him and his team on quite a few occasions.

 

I think there is some Sour Grapes here on South Park's behalf, its no shame to get beat by Guildford as they are a good team....but why ? Can it be also put down to their antics as well as being good players ?

 

When will teams and people start listening, I have said so many times on this site that Guildford bully opponents and ref's by pressurising and surrounding him. I really would like to look at their disciplinary record, not the best I would suggest. They also intimidate the opposition, whind up players and get them sent off, then they play against 10 men ..............usually, if they don't get one of their own players following suit ! Clever or not ?

 

When will clubs realise and learn ! I for one hope they get promoted then thats 'The Spectrum' out of the way.......lol !

 

 

I be interested to know the "quite a few occasions" you've seen us play because the Captain of our ship is Simon Cooper, a position he has held for over 2 years now.

 

As to our disciplinary record see my post further up this thread at 1.17pm today.