Referee!

[Terrence Collina]

I think most the guys in the CoCo are better than the clown that it Stuart Attwell!

 

How the hell is this guy an elite referee???

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

i was there and I called for the red straightaway........ didnt think the mug would give it...

 

take it into the context of the game, spurs were flying , parker everywhere, a few fouls going in.

 

Parker closed down four or five players , knicked the ball and got clattered.

at that time he looked like he had a clear run on goal.

 

Was the foul itself worth the red, not sure cant recall if he was off his feet etc,

 

a clear goalscoring opportunity? well yes but a lot still had to happen.

 

overall he was fine

 

didnt book bale with the shoe show, but had to be told why by a player it looked to me.

 

perhaps our refs can advise the thinking behind the law, (or rule or advice...) as well as the letter.

Edited December 4, 2011 by thespursfan

[Smudge]

Not going to praise Refs no more,because when I do,the next time I see them they perform poorly.Yesterday was a classic example Corrine Readett was probably the only person in the Ground,who thought that Ben Camara deliberately used an elbow in an aerial challenge,for which he was shown red.The outcome of which results in a 3 match Ban and £50 fine for the player.The key for me was that no players from either side,reacted in a way that would of confirmed that anything untoward happened,and the game was played in a Competitive but friendly manner.

[BlueAndWhiteArmy]

After seeing this on MOTD last night and from a spurs point of view I thought foul 'yes' red card 'no' thought this was a bit harsh on Cahill myself but these are decisions thy theses so called refs make don't they we either agree or disagree with them we are never going to understand there decisions and I was v happy with Cahills attitude yesterday when got the red didn't argue just walked cause he know the decision wouldn't be changed

[Wattsy]

Same as Mike Dean at the Newcastle game yesterday. Complete F'in clown!!!

[HKP]

didnt book bale with the shoe show, but had to be told why by a player it looked to me.

Players can be booked for removing their shirt, but I dont think you can be booked for removing your boot. Even if he could have, imagine the outrage had any player been booked for showing their respect for Gary Speed? Perhaps he just turned a blind eye, good to see if this was the case.

Edited December 5, 2011 by HKP

[Gluck_ab]

 

 

TheSpursFan

 

Here's the text on the subject from the guidelines to referees which is at the rear of the Laws of the Game book;

 

"There are two sending-off offences that deal with denying an opponent an obvious opportunity to score a goal. It is not necessary for the offence to occur inside the penalty area.

 

If the referee applies advantage during an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and a goal is scored directly, despite the opponent’s handling the ball or fouling an opponent, the player cannot be sent off but he may still be cautioned.

 

Referees should consider the following circumstances when deciding whether to send off a player for denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity:

• the distance between the offence and the goal

• the likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball

• the direction of the play

• the location and number of defenders

• the offence which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity may be an offence that incurs a direct free kick or an indirect free kick"

 

HKP - you're correct, there's nothing in the laws to say you can't take your boot off in celebration of a goal.

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

he was 50 yards from goal, he would have had the ball, he was attacking , he had a clear run on goal but a centre half may have reached him at the box and the goalie of course

 

Gareth bale would have scored 6 or 7 /10 times I believe, I doubt Scott Parker would score 1 in 10 from there.

 

I think he was denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity because Im sure he would have got a shot away.

 

thanks ab gluck.

[Gluck_ab]

TSF

 

In the first line of your response you've included '...but a centre half may have reached him at the box'. Obviously Stuart Attwell did not think that would be the case because if he had that could have been grounds (reason) for giving a yellow instead of a red.

[Smudge]

Do the F.A.really respect English Fans,after watching the F.A. Cup draw yesterday can anyone name Mr.Li,who did the away team.They only care about 1 THING,MONEY,did Mr Li play in the F.A Cup?or was it to tap into the Chinese/Asian Market.We have reached a new low in British football,not only are few of the Players English,but now we have Foreigners doing the draws for Cup games.Maybe they should take the next step,and employ Foreign Officials,cannot be any worse than the bunch we have surely.RESPECT for F.A.= £ NOTES,NO MORE NO LESS.

[Green_Fingers]

Do the F.A.really respect English Fans,after watching the F.A. Cup draw yesterday can anyone name Mr.Li,who did the away team.They only care about 1 THING,MONEY,did Mr Li play in the F.A Cup?or was it to tap into the Chinese/Asian Market.We have reached a new low in British football,not only are few of the Players English,but now we have Foreigners doing the draws for Cup games.Maybe they should take the next step,and employ Foreign Officials,cannot be any worse than the bunch we have surely.RESPECT for F.A.= £ NOTES,NO MORE NO LESS.

 

Well yes he did Smudge, he made 1 appearance for Everton in the 2002/3 season

[Smudge]

And his name?

[Gluck_ab]

He played for Everton and Sheffield United.

 

I presume you have no issue regarding Zola as a foreigner doing the draw too?!

 

Who cares who makes the draw? The game in the UK is multi-national and the attraction and interest in the FA Cup is international.

[Green_Fingers]

And his name?

 

Li-Tie

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Tie

[Smudge]

Thanks G.F.impressed with your knowledge.He was a household name in the 80's.

Edited December 5, 2011 by Smudge

[Jeff Hamnett TSF]

thaks gluck ab again

 

this is helpful,

 

would the ref look at the players involved?

 

make a judgement on pace , finishing ability etc?

 

bale or lennon would beat any centre half but would Scott Parker?

[Gluck_ab]

Making a judgement on factors such as pace and finishing ability is subjective and relative to others so, no, he shouldn't do as it would mean he was pre-judging players on their previous performances when he should only referee what's taking place in front of him. That said, at that level referees, would be aware of players who might cause them issues (temperament, pace, etc) and this would probably be covered in pre-match instructions to ARs, i.e. 'if X is playing on the wing, you'll know he is very quick so keep on toes, etc.'

 

Similarly, at CCL most referees will know players that they need to be aware in a game but only in so much as being fully prepared for the match and possible eventualities. Players would no doubt do the same with referees they've had before.

 

In this instance, the referee did believe an obvious goal-socring opportunity had been denied hence Cahill being sent off. Equally, you could probably argue the case that such an opportunity had not been denied and a yellow card was appropriate.

[bomaya]

.Maybe they should take the next step,and employ Foreign Officials,cannot be any worse than the bunch we have surely.

 

There is an exchange programme. Recently a Chinese (East Asian anyway) official did some non league games and was apparently excellent. Some English refs are supposed to be going out there as well.

[NICE GUY]

Well thats that then Smudge, another hole in your foot............ooops !

[Terrence Collina]

.Maybe they should take the next step,and employ Foreign Officials,cannot be any worse than the bunch we have surely.

 

There is an exchange programme. Recently a Chinese (East Asian anyway) official did some non league games and was apparently excellent. Some English refs are supposed to be going out there as well.

 

A Japanese guy did one of the Brentford FA Cup games