Tuesday 22nd

[Don't Blame Me]

I was there and he seemed to be refereeing by numbers or following an old knitting pattern. Knit one, pearl one! One free kick to us then one free kick to them. But when will pleyers learn NOT TO KICK THE BALL AWAY AFTER THE REF HAS STOPPED PLAY!

[Krooner]

Bumped in to El Gaffer at our game last night and he informed me he's passed his refs exams so look out for him on a pitch near you soon! Good to see someone from within the game going down that route and I hope he does well.

 

On the subject of refs we had a penalty awarded against us last night at Banstead which was probably the craziest penalty decision I have seen in 20 years of senior football. The ref was big enough afterwards to admit he got it wrong and luckily enough from our point of view it didn't affect the result but I can assure you if it had done I will have had a different attitude towards it this morning and I would probably be falling out with Kroons at this very moment!

 

It will never happen Fizzer even with your chequered playing history !!!

 

Looking forward to EG doing a game and having some inside thoughts from someone like him into not only how it is but also if he gets on the ladder what he feels needs improving.

[Observer 89]

Attendances going down because of referees? Really!? I've never ever heard someone say 'O i'm not going tonight, have you seen who the referee is!?'

 

Players and supporters need to accept that the standard of referee relates to the level of football you are at. I'm sure it will come as a shock to some but there is not a large pool of undiscovered Howard Webb's refereeing at park level for the Combined Counties League to choose from.

 

Personally I think the publishing of a league table of referee marks would not be productive. A referee's job is hard enough as it is without all of the players and officials from both teams knowing that the referee is currently bottom of the league table based on his club marks. Can you imagine the comments he would get during the game?

[Chris Clapham]

Attendances going down because of referees? Really!? I've never ever heard someone say 'O i'm not going tonight, have you seen who the referee is!?'

 

Players and supporters need to accept that the standard of referee relates to the level of football you are at. I'm sure it will come as a shock to some but there is not a large pool of undiscovered Howard Webb's refereeing at park level for the Combined Counties League to choose from.

 

Personally I think the publishing of a league table of referee marks would not be productive. A referee's job is hard enough as it is without all of the players and officials from both teams knowing that the referee is currently bottom of the league table based on his club marks. Can you imagine the comments he would get during the game?

 

Agree with all this O89.

I am about to start a thread regarding attendances.

[inbetweener]

i agree the standard of referees has dropped in ccl

[Smudge]

Are Referees not like Players at this level,show the same traits every game.Take the Ref at the Epsom and Ewell game last Saturday,Mr Kitchen did he want to be the centre of attention or what.5 times in the 2nd half alone he called the Skipper over when he was talking to a player,he booked one.5 Substitutions were made as well,yet only added on 2min 30sec stoppage time.5 BOOKINGS AS WELL.He was being assessed though so he had excuses,or did he?

[Mewcenary]

Smudge, why is calling the captain over making the referee the centre of attention? The captain is, hopefully, always going to be in a better position than the referee to calm down a player who is getting close to being cautioned or sent off.

[Smudge]

When the said Captains have to walk half the pitch,please comment on the added on time Mewey.

[Mewcenary]

Well, I wasn't there, but the amount of time taken for a substitution can be variable, plus more than one substitution can be made at the same time...

[Jurg78]

IMO the ref should always call the captain over when talking to a team mate for the reasons Mewey gives. At least the captain then knows what his team are being pulled up for and can look to do something about it (as a good captain should).

Half the length of a pitch is hardly a big distance and the only time it would be an issue is if the captain is a GK, in which case he will usually be asked to nominate an outfield player the ref can call over instead (at least that has always been the case when I have been captain).

[Smudge]

So when a player is booked or talked too,the Ref does not stop his watch.Thats what I love about Officials,they defend their own to the hilt.All 5 substitutions were separate so what time would you allow for that.

[NICE GUY]

Always seems to be the case when the assessor is present.

 

Not sour grapes because it's the same for both sides but Jeez the pitch was more bobbly than my 12yo plays on at the local Rec. Very difficult to play decent football as the players just couldn't get it under control.

 

Rother, if the pitch was that bad, tell your manager to have a 'Plan B' to knock long into channels and diagonals, turning their defence 'cos O'Toole has pace to burn.......if he's not lazy and fancies it. Then you have Porter is fit and very busy player who will do the hard work that needs to be done playing that way, he will be a nuisance........... just my suggestion, not all pitches in the CCL are as good as Windsors, wait until winter really draws in.... your management need to think hard about the forthcoming months as Windsor cannot keep dropping points, 'cos I cannot see Guildford dropping many ..........

 

May I add, I feel sorry for the Farnham players having to play on a pitch like that every other week, maybe that has something to do with their league position ?

[Mewcenary]

Smudge, it depends entirely on how long each substitution took.

 

Jurg78 has it right on the money!

[Ace1]

Always seems to be the case when the assessor is present.

 

Not sour grapes because it's the same for both sides but Jeez the pitch was more bobbly than my 12yo plays on at the local Rec. Very difficult to play decent football as the players just couldn't get it under control.

 

Rother, if the pitch was that bad, tell your manager to have a 'Plan B' to knock long into channels and diagonals, turning their defence 'cos O'Toole has pace to burn.......if he's not lazy and fancies it. Then you have Porter is fit and very busy player who will do the hard work that needs to be done playing that way, he will be a nuisance........... just my suggestion, not all pitches in the CCL are as good as Windsors, wait until winter really draws in.... your management need to think hard about the forthcoming months as Windsor cannot keep dropping points, 'cos I cannot see Guildford dropping many ..........

 

May I add, I feel sorry for the Farnham players having to play on a pitch like that every other week, maybe that has something to do with their league position ?

 

NG, Nothing wrong with our pitch! Last night we took points off second in the table.!

[Smudge]

No views of your own Mewey,if you have to call the 2 captains over 5 times in one half,3+2 have you not lost the plot.

[NICE GUY]

Always seems to be the case when the assessor is present.

 

Not sour grapes because it's the same for both sides but Jeez the pitch was more bobbly than my 12yo plays on at the local Rec. Very difficult to play decent football as the players just couldn't get it under control.

 

Rother, if the pitch was that bad, tell your manager to have a 'Plan B' to knock long into channels and diagonals, turning their defence 'cos O'Toole has pace to burn.......if he's not lazy and fancies it. Then you have Porter is fit and very busy player who will do the hard work that needs to be done playing that way, he will be a nuisance........... just my suggestion, not all pitches in the CCL are as good as Windsors, wait until winter really draws in.... your management need to think hard about the forthcoming months as Windsor cannot keep dropping points, 'cos I cannot see Guildford dropping many ..........

 

May I add, I feel sorry for the Farnham players having to play on a pitch like that every other week, maybe that has something to do with their league position ?

 

NG, Nothing wrong with our pitch! Last night we took points off second in the table.!

 

Ace, I am not sure if you're a Farnham player, probably the groundsman...lol !

 

I can only reply on the comments made above, but Ace I have to say, it's not the first time the Farnham pitch has been criticised on this forum. Would be nice to hear some 'honest' comments about the Farnham pitch from their players (ie) BBM and any others.

[tonydk]

Smudge

 

not a ref on the CCL but am a ref.

 

I will say that i tell the captains at the coin toss that i will talk to them all game and will have a quite word with them if i feel anyone is getting out off hand and I will call them over if its a final talking to, as they havent listerned to me...as i would have done some talking to the player involved as i was going pass him during the game. I do also tell them i will wait to start play until they are back in postion...seen that happened in a couple of games..caused some problems!!! Also have gone pass the captain when ball out off play, and advised him that a player maybe getting on back too much..

 

If a goalkeeper is captain..yes i ask for someone at the start i can talk to during the game, but will always end up at a corner having a word with the captain and hopefully he will get a message to the player involved..

 

Must admit..calling captains over everytime you speak to a player does not happen when i referee a game...as when i do i feel its the end of the rope i have given that player so now down to the captain to sort out before the cards come out...

 

This is only my way of dealing with it....not written in stone

 

re subs..yes we should be stoping the watch when these take place but how long is each sub...if not ready can be a while..if as i ask the secretarys at the team sheet time, can they be ready to go on before they ask the assistant referee, hopefully really quick. Some times the reason that it takes so long is that the assistant referees have to check the boots, equipment, under shorts, then make sure name is correct, player going off and the time....What i have done now is to ask the far side assistant referee to quickly make a note of the time so thats one less the a/ref doing the sub has to do...

[Jurg78]

No views of your own Mewey,if you have to call the 2 captains over 5 times in one half,3+2 have you not lost the plot.

 

Why would that mean the ref has lost the plot? You see it happen all the time in rugby.

[Rother]

Always seems to be the case when the assessor is present.

 

Not sour grapes because it's the same for both sides but Jeez the pitch was more bobbly than my 12yo plays on at the local Rec. Very difficult to play decent football as the players just couldn't get it under control.

 

Rother, if the pitch was that bad, tell your manager to have a 'Plan B' to knock long into channels and diagonals, turning their defence 'cos O'Toole has pace to burn.......if he's not lazy and fancies it. Then you have Porter is fit and very busy player who will do the hard work that needs to be done playing that way, he will be a nuisance........... just my suggestion, not all pitches in the CCL are as good as Windsors, wait until winter really draws in.... your management need to think hard about the forthcoming months as Windsor cannot keep dropping points, 'cos I cannot see Guildford dropping many ..........

 

May I add, I feel sorry for the Farnham players having to play on a pitch like that every other week, maybe that has something to do with their league position ?

I think we tried Plan B, C and D last night. Long ball didn't work because it still takes time to get the thing under control to cross it, shoot or whatever.

 

Also, to be fair, it didn't help that Farnham's defenders were very decent!!

[milesy4]

Must say Fizzer, I was pleasantly surprised with your pitch last night, certainly from comments I have heard in the past anyway....shame about the result though.