Illegal Approaches - what's your view?

[CW1975]

What is the point of approaching players without doing it the right way. The rules are there to be followed, why risk it ?

 

What's your view guys ?

[Green_Fingers]

What is the point of approaching players without doing it the right way. The rules are there to be followed, why risk it ?

 

What's your view guys ?

 

Be honest YV - you're in your twilight playing years - not many are going to approach you legally. Best keep quiet and see what they have to offer

 

Seriously though the rules are there for a reason, without them there would be anarchy. You are fully entitled to expect them to be followed. Just as Cobham were last season with all the fuss over YHW.

[CW1975]

What is the point of approaching players without doing it the right way. The rules are there to be followed, why risk it ?

 

What's your view guys ?

 

Be honest YV - you're in your twilight playing years - not many are going to approach you legally. Best keep quiet and see what they have to offer

 

Seriously though the rules are there for a reason, without them there would be anarchy. You are fully entitled to expect them to be followed. Just as Cobham were last season with all the fuss over YHW.

 

That brings a good point GF, are there any rules to follow for coaching staff etc when wanted by other clubs?

 

I find 'tapping up' disrespectful, surely no club needs to change so many players that they can't follow the right channels and be polite enough to approach the club in the right way.

 

To be honest I don't expect too many to reply to this thread. All I can say is that at least get a friend of a friend to tell them your interested as I think there is nothing you can do about that but don't do it yourself, your asking for trouble!

 

I think you'll catch my drift

[Weeble]

Players talk... Mates talk... And when players are at representative levels ( Be it fans focus charity matches or England international matches ) players talk even more. Illegal approaches ..... mmmmmm probably they are but is that not freedom of speach. I do however agree it should all be done within the framework of a 7 day approach.

[Terrence Collina]

my experience has been talk the player first to find out if it is worth a 7 day approach. Not saying it is right, but I have seen it done and it has happened with me in the past

[Ace1]

This will always continue for many reasons that have been touched on already. A few points to ponder;

1. There has to be a definition of ‘Illegal Approach’ and define exactly what is legal and what is illegal.
   
2. Players will talk to their mates and teams use this to their advantage. Social media is also playing a part these days.
   
3. Players, more often than not, instigate approaches themselves and then deny all knowledge.
   
4. Clubs have to honest as well, when a ‘Seven Day’ goes in then they should tell the player. Most clubs ignore and never even inform the player because they are scared they will lose them. If a player is happy at a club that is run well, he is coached well and managed well then they will stay however; with certain clubs in this league ..........Money Talks!!!!!
   

[bomaya]

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• Players, more often than not, instigate approaches themselves and then deny all knowledge.
  
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I've heard this one as well, even to the point that the player then subsequently reports the manger for an illegal approach once the parent club found out!

[Big J R]

Whenever rules are 'laid down in stone' people will always try to find a way round them.

 

That isn't to say that I agree with that fact of life !

[FSB]

For me the 7 Day Approach Letter and an "Illegal Approach" are 2 separate issues.

 

Most players will have been contacted directly or indirectly before a 7 Day Letter is either submitted or received. I guess directly suggests an "Illegal Approach".

 

If Horley receive a 7 Day Letter I’ll assume a conversation has already taken place instigated by the player or the club.

 

At that point I will speak to the player, if they are determined to leave and if they are moving to another CCL Club then provided they don't owe the club any money I will usually cancel their registration within the 7 days and avoid the additional "form filling" associated with a Transfer. If they are moving to a different league i'll waive the 7 days and let them sign immediately for the new club providing they have shown a good attitude to our club.

 

The fact that we have received the initial 7 Day approach Letter protects our club from receiving anymore 7 Day Letters from the same club for 28 days.

 

We recently had a player ask me to cancel his registration; he hadn’t been getting enough first team football. His attitude all season had been great and he did well when selected but he wasn’t a first choice. I would have liked to keep him but understood his reasons and agreed to his request. He is now with another CCL premier team. I think this is how things should be conducted.

 

A lot of unnecessary stress is caused by people hiding behind protocols and bureaucracy. Managers, Players and Club Secretary’s should talk more within thier own clubs and be prepared to talk to with their colleagues at other clubs.

Edited November 2, 2011 by FSB

[Ace1]

FSB - Great post. They should just 'copy & paste' that in to the League handbook in the Transfer of Players page!

[CW1975]

What is stopping a manager talking to another manager about transfering a player?

 

Manager 1 'I would like to make an approach to sign xxxxx'

 

Manager 2

 

a- You can have him, I will get him de registered

b- Put in a seven dayer and you can talk to him

c- I will speak to the player and get back to you

d- We want to keep him but follow the correct procedure and there is nothing we can do

e- He owes us money and won't be going anywhere until it's payed

 

Manager 1 'Thanks, we will do the the right thing, speak soon'

 

'Illegal approach'

 

My definition is a manager or part of the managment team contacting the player and putting an offer on the table without speaking to any of the club officials that the player is at or applying a seven day approach.

 

We are all aware of players talking and using players as a means of contact. Common sense really.

 

It may be frustrating in some cases where you require two players from one team, but thats just tough. Get the one thats more important or more likely to transfer first.

 

We have had many 7 dayers so far this season and honoured every one of them by informing the player and having the chance to speak with them ourselves. Some have stayed and some have gone. Cookie, Hillsy and me would not hold anyone back and I have always pushed youngsters onwards and upwards and encourage them if the move is right.

 

I am also aware of 'illegal approaches' but probably not all of them.

Edited November 2, 2011 by Young Veteran

[Dobo Snr]

See Leatherhead post

[Green_Fingers]

See Leatherhead post

 

Blanket advertising for players doesn't constitute an illegal approach. What then follows may

[Dobo Snr]

See Leatherhead post

 

Blanket advertising for players doesn't constitute an illegal approach. What then follows may

If a player goes to this so called training session who is signed on with other club, and they let him train that is an illegal approach,

I had the same problem a few weeks back a player came to training who was signed on by another club in CCL, I told him to contact his manager to get permission to train with us, I also rang the manager.

Edited November 3, 2011 by Dobo Snr

[Green_Fingers]

See Leatherhead post

 

Blanket advertising for players doesn't constitute an illegal approach. What then follows may

If a player goes to this so call training session who is signed on with other club, and they let him train that is an illegal approach,

I had the same problem a few weeks back a player came to training who was signed on by another club in CCL, I told him to contact his manager to get permission to train with us, I also rang the manager.

 

As I said - the advertising itself isn't illegal, it's what may follow that could be.

[Dobo Snr]

See Leatherhead post

 

Blanket advertising for players doesn't constitute an illegal approach. What then follows may

If a player goes to this so call training session who is signed on with other club, and they let him train that is an illegal approach,

I had the same problem a few weeks back a player came to training who was signed on by another club in CCL, I told him to contact his manager to get permission to train with us, I also rang the manager.

 

As I said - the advertising itself isn't illegal, it's what may follow that could be.

Yes see where your coming from, I would suggest they get off their arses and go and do some scouting.

 

Thats the problem with teams from higher level they seem to think they can do what they like, and until the FA start giveing out fines for this, they will use their higher status to nick players from the lower club

[Intershminter]

Has someone tried to poach one of Sheerwaters's finest??

[CW1975]

Has someone tried to poach one of Sheerwaters's finest??

 

Yeah, just one, thats why I posted this.

 

It's hard enough to attract players when other clubs have so much more to offer at the moment, it's even harder to keep them, but gets on my tits when its done disrespectfully. It has always happened, I know that, and it wouldn't matter what club I am with when it does, it still would get on my

[NICE GUY]

See Leatherhead post

 

Blanket advertising for players doesn't constitute an illegal approach. What then follows may

If a player goes to this so called training session who is signed on with other club, and they let him train that is an illegal approach,

I had the same problem a few weeks back a player came to training who was signed on by another club in CCL, I told him to contact his manager to get permission to train with us, I also rang the manager.

 

Correct, respectful old school football ethics, well done Dobo. It's a shame that some other managers don't have the same ethics............