Public Consultation.

[Broadstairs Dave]

I also thought the old plant nursery was being restored to accessability as part of the whole scheme, giving more land for public use than now, just in a different place on the Park

[Broadstairs Dave]

Re concreting over. I thought the approved plan involved restoring the old plant nursery to public use giving access to more space just in a different place. No one can use it now and no one has complained ,funny that.

 

This is all water under the bridge anyway its just the lenght of the leases for approval

[michael]

Am i being completely stupid here ?

 

Whilst i have not seen the way that TDC have presented this in the local press- my understanding here-as per MFC's website that all interestedparties are being invited to comment on whether the club should be granted new leases-and the timesclae of those leases and by assumption-the content.

 

However-whilst worthwhile-all the comment (on here and it seems by the public ) seems to relate to the development itself.

Surely-we have moved on from that and its the leases that are inviting consultation.

 

Now i'm pretty thick ,so help me out here- but if i am to comment on the leases-how can i do so without being able to read/review the leases being proposed.

 

I am not aware of these leases being in the public domain-so how can i (or anyone comment favourably or otherwise upon them ? )

 

I am supportive of the development-and i anticipate being supportive of the leases-but how can i specifically comment-if i do not know their content.

 

By the same token-if someone wishes to adversely comment/object to the leases-how can they do so without knowing what the leases cover.

 

Equally- it would surely be extremey unusual for a developer;and operator (travellodge) (surely from travelodges perspective that would be commercial sabotage) and any other party involved to allow these leases to be made public.

I have no idea of how long they are for, what the financial terms are,or a million other items in their content.

 

So how can we have a public consultation on the leases without knowing the content of the leases -Am i just being completely stupid and missing something here ?

 

Is this supposed 'consultation on the leases' just providing a further opportunity for the council to take soundings on the deveopment itaelf (already passed ).

Indeed-everyone seems to be commenting on everything-excepting the main subject matter-which is the leases-but how can anybody comment on something they have not seen/read or indeed will for commercial confidentially reasons-ever be given the opportunity to do so.

 

Indeed-i have no knowledge of the content/timing of the current lease that MFC have on HDP so how can anyone comment whether it is better/worse ?

 

help me out-i am confused.

 

 

 

 

[Cookie]

Michael,the length of leases the club are seeking have been made known & its the "facts" of the development that are going to sway the public one way or another as to how they make written contributions in this "consultation" stage & for the council, who make decisions on the publics behalfs, to decide whether we are given those lease lengths.

Sadly those "facts" have been grossly disjointed by certain individuals who will stop at nothing to stick their own personal oar in & to try & sway this council into refusing us those lease lengths (and probably for his/her/their own benefits rather than the publics benefit because despite me being biased on this one the community will prosper too by having this development go ahead.).

The consultation stage I assume is about the leases.Well that's how I see things anyway.

 

What I do find crazy is to have been given permission for the development from the council to go ahead,even after some minor public opposition,yet for the lease applications to allow that same minority of the public & others to be given yet another chance to stick their oar in & to try & find fault, but as the land belongs to us the public it is fair to say they are seeking landlords consent on this part of the deal, if you see what I'm trying to say.

 

In my eyes all the council are really doing (this is my own personal opinion) & despite the official road being taken, are delaying things over & over & over again hoping that the club or its investors will give up & abort the development altogether.Luckily we have the right people in those positions to allow for that not to happen.

Edited November 6, 2011 by Cookie

[Coffin Ender]

For those of us who don't see the local press, what are the length of the leases?

[Cookie]

http://www.thanet.gov.uk/news/latest-press-releases/margate-fc-consultation.aspx

 

 

Scroll down to see:

[michael]

All well and good Cookie, but as broadstairs dave writes- if the consultation is regarding the leases-that surely is the subject matter for responding.

We can all write either positively or negatively for the development itself-but are'nt we beyond that now.

 

Its a bit like a school exam where you write a fantastic submission-but completely ignore the actual question and thus fail the exam .

 

In fact-is this just heading for a further legal challenge,since if a 'decision' is made either for or against,on the basis of' consultation '/communication sent in to TDC-any solicitor could surely argue that the evidence is all inadmisssable as it does not relate to the subject matter ,which appears to be the leases.

 

and then back to my point about how can anyone comment on the leases without knowing the content-which would not be released anyway !

 

and as CE above says-what is the length-facts not guesswork-and how does that compare with what the club have currently.

But travellodge rightlywon't allow this type of stuff to be revealed;so how can anyone accurately comment either for or against if no facts/info is available ?

[Cookie]

I'm a bit confused by your last paragraph Michael as the length of leases are clearly stated/shown in the link above. Have you not read it? Factual lenghths of leases being sort, not guesswork. The link also tells us what lease lengths we currently have.

As for other details within,are there any? Do we need to know even if indeed there are stipulations/attachments to the application.

Surely this application is purely about getting the leashold for the periods we are seeking & nothing else or is it just me who sees things as being straightforward as they should be.If indeed I'm not looking deeper than I should be then please excuse my lack of knowledge on this subject.

Edited November 6, 2011 by Cookie

[marksandwell]

Not wishing to throw in a Red Herring (Although i have never been good at fish throwing) I wonder what the deal was on the Old Hartsdown House that is now a nursery????

[Broadstairs Dave]

Sorry Michael TDC has to be seen to be conforming with the legal interpretation of current legislation despite the fact that it compromises business confidentiality as you quite rightly say.

[Cookie]

Ummmmm!

[michael]

Thanks for link Cookie.

 

First time i have seen that.

 

Important stuff ;as that is where the invitation to comment is being made;and all the stuff that 'we or the nimbys write with regards to the development itself is surely irrelevant as its on the leases whewre the comment is required.

 

have i finally got the point ?

 

is it just me who was a bit confused over this /

 

very important link again i think Mr Cook-thank you

[Cookie]

Mr Cook ?????

Edited November 6, 2011 by Cookie

[Wellsie]

Hopefully, I can add a little clarity. The leasing of public assets - in our case land - is a different process to planning, and it's the former that the Council is (rightly) consulting on now. Any lease over a certain length is treated as a disposal - even though there is no change of ultimate ownership. http://www.margate-fc.com/content/Club/Stadium/development.php for the information throughout the process issued by the club.

[Pagey]

There is alot of misunderstanding about the consultation. I have recently spoken to someone who is close to the ground and she didnt realise that it was in relation to the lease. I sat with her and explained it all and then typed up a letter for her to sign, which I have now sent to the council.

 

At first she was against it but now a letter of support has been sent. I wonder how many people dont understand what this new process is all about

[Blue Banshee]

There is alot of misunderstanding about the consultation. I have recently spoken to someone who is close to the ground and she didnt realise that it was in relation to the lease. I sat with her and explained it all and then typed up a letter for her to sign, which I have now sent to the council.

 

At first she was against it but now a letter of support has been sent. I wonder how many people dont understand what this new process is all about

 

I have had similar situations with people at work....so many think it is further land required etc

[BlueGate Alan]

Not long now lads and lasses. If you haven't already done so, get those letters/E mails in showing your support.

[margateshot]

Does anybody know roughly how many letters of support have been sent to TDC. I wonder how many letters have been sent against the project, people can't always be bothered to write in when the crunch comes.