Midweek Fixtures & Results (Tuesday 25th & Wednesday 26th October)

[petethegreek]

Even the top class officials occasionally get things wrong (as is always highlighted by various sorts of media) yet somehow you rarely see the media highlighting a good display from the officials.

 

Unfortunately at our level we don't have that sort of media coverage therefore we have to put up with it unless we ALL do something about it and take action by reporting bad officials (and not giving them the basic mark of 51 to avoid writing reports).

The latter is something that I am honest enough and ashamed to admit but am guilty of this season but in my defence I am unable to watch these games and have to rely of fellow club officials supplying me with the marks before submitting my referee's match reports.

 

That said its normally a case of my fellow club officials marking low when the game has been lost. This surely cannot be a perfect solution, but what is the answer?

Maybe the league can appoint one of their league committee to cover each Premier and Division One match (sorry to Division Two and the reserve sections but the committee only has around 30 plus committee members) to access and mark officials fairly.

 

We can't play the game without officials and it is a sad case of fewer new people taking up the whistle these days.

 

Any suggestions welcomed.

 

On my local League we rely on letters from the Clubs if a Referee puts in a below average performance.

 

A League Official will then go and watch the Referee and if he / she is not up to the required standard he / she is removed from the Referees Panel.

[NeutralFan]

I was under the impression that more and more games are being assessed now? I heard a figure of 75% being bandied about? I've sat in the stand with an assessor I know and it's interesting the things that are picked up on and different things are viewed from an officials perspective than a players.

 

It's one of the reasons I decided against going down the officiating route as I wouldn't want to do it the way they wanted.

[Winslow Boy]

I think better communication between officials and management/players(captain) before during and after games would help. I remember having banter with refs back in the day, they knew players and clubs and ref'd them accordingly. They need to start coming down on violent conduct I've seen to many headbuts, punches, stamps etc go unpunished then yellows branded for nothing. Consistency is the key a ref all to often is highly inconsistent during games and then the consistency over the course of a season just isn't there. It's a tough job perhaps the league could try and encourage ex players to take up the whistle....

[ref off ref]

LOL...was it summit I said???

 

On a serious note think WB has a good point in that ex-players you would think if interested increase the standard.

There does seem to be a lot of ageing officials about which, no disrespect to them maybe don't have the legs they once had a few years back, but they turn up and try so we must respect that.

[petethegreek]

I was under the impression that more and more games are being assessed now? I heard a figure of 75% being bandied about? I've sat in the stand with an assessor I know and it's interesting the things that are picked up on and different things are viewed from an officials perspective than a players.

 

It's one of the reasons I decided against going down the officiating route as I wouldn't want to do it the way they wanted.

 

These days the higher up you go the more 'by the book' approach is adapted.

 

The baulk of the Assessors are found in the Premier Division as they look at the L4 Referees who are trying to gain promotion to L3. These are FA Assessors.

 

You may get County FA Assessors in Division 1 and Division 2 who are looking at Referees looking for promotion up to L4.

[No4]

It was quite easy to see last night that the young ref was far too inexperienced to be refereeing at this level. Ok - we're not professionals but he was so naive in his decision making it was embarrassing. Their centre forward who I was marking was laughing because everytime he went near the ball and a challenge came in (on the floor or in the air) he would fall over and complain to the ref...and most of the time the ref was giving them. The same player was constantly leading with arms in the air but the ref didn't once pick up on this.

 

Has there also been some kind of decision to make football a non contact sport? Any kind of tackle that is hard (but fair) is now seemed to be deemed dangerous or a foul. There were a couple of instances (and many this season) where a decent hard tackle has been blown out of proportion by referees. They don't seem to accept playing the ball and the man is a fair tackle. There have been many players over the years that have made careers out of being "hardmen" (Stuart Pearce, Vinny Jones, Chopper Harris etc). The slightest form of hard tackle now just seems to warrent a foul and booking. Perhaps it also has something to do with the players and dugouts screaming and shouting at every tackle as well.

 

Some of the whinging and moaning from the touchlines this season has become embarrassing. These people need to keep quiet and concentrate on managing their teams rather than the officials, constantly trying to get players booked and sent off. If they put as much effort into coaching and managing tactics etc we may get better quality out on the park.

[Winslow Boy]

The whining and moaning does defo cause problems No.4 I agree but I've got to say I've played against and watched many teams who want to put it about but are 1st to and the worst for moaning and complaining about every challenge and decision. I say play hard give it and take it and shut the f**k up!

[bicknell]

Crawley Green 1-0 Ampthill.

Bad defensive error proved to be the only goal of what was a good, clean contest.

However the Ref and 2 Assistants I'm afraid were the worst I've ever come across, to the point I'm lead to believe had even members of Crawley Green apologising.

He produced a straight red and 5 bookings to Ampthill, nothing to Crawley Green, but there wasn't a single bad challenge throughout the game.

The Ref even admitted at half time that the red card wasn't a goalscoring opportunity and couldn't answer his decision why given when asked.

It's not sour grapes as we gifted them the goal and hold our hands up to that, but to witness officials tonight at this standard officiate in the

way they did was an embarrassment.

 

I'm afraid more bad news for the Club.

 

That will cost them at least £150 for Multi Player Misconduct.

even if we win the appeal .

 

There is no appeal on this.

 

If six or more individual Players pick up a card in a game the fine kicks in.

i no that but if we win the red appeal that will mean there was just 5 yellows . we have alot of witneses one being someone from south mids

[Loose]

Crawley Green 1-0 Ampthill.

Bad defensive error proved to be the only goal of what was a good, clean contest.

However the Ref and 2 Assistants I'm afraid were the worst I've ever come across, to the point I'm lead to believe had even members of Crawley Green apologising.

He produced a straight red and 5 bookings to Ampthill, nothing to Crawley Green, but there wasn't a single bad challenge throughout the game.

The Ref even admitted at half time that the red card wasn't a goalscoring opportunity and couldn't answer his decision why given when asked.

It's not sour grapes as we gifted them the goal and hold our hands up to that, but to witness officials tonight at this standard officiate in the

way they did was an embarrassment.

 

I'm afraid more bad news for the Club.

 

That will cost them at least £150 for Multi Player Misconduct.

even if we win the appeal .

 

There is no appeal on this.

 

If six or more individual Players pick up a card in a game the fine kicks in.

i no that but if we win the red appeal that will mean there was just 5 yellows . we have alot of witneses one being someone from south mids

Yes but you don't have video evidence and can't appeal the red card.

 

Doesn't matter how many witnesses you have.

[petethegreek]

Crawley Green 1-0 Ampthill.

Bad defensive error proved to be the only goal of what was a good, clean contest.

However the Ref and 2 Assistants I'm afraid were the worst I've ever come across, to the point I'm lead to believe had even members of Crawley Green apologising.

He produced a straight red and 5 bookings to Ampthill, nothing to Crawley Green, but there wasn't a single bad challenge throughout the game.

The Ref even admitted at half time that the red card wasn't a goalscoring opportunity and couldn't answer his decision why given when asked.

It's not sour grapes as we gifted them the goal and hold our hands up to that, but to witness officials tonight at this standard officiate in the

way they did was an embarrassment.

 

I'm afraid more bad news for the Club.

 

That will cost them at least £150 for Multi Player Misconduct.

even if we win the appeal .

 

There is no appeal on this.

 

If six or more individual Players pick up a card in a game the fine kicks in.

i no that but if we win the red appeal that will mean there was just 5 yellows . we have alot of witneses one being someone from south mids

 

If the red card is rescinded on appeal then you will not fall foul of the Multi Player Misconduct rule (assuming it's not down graded to a yellow).

 

For this to happen you will have to have video evidence that clearly shows that the Referee was wrong in Law to brandish a red card.

 

Best to get guidance on this from your County FA.

[bicknell]

Crawley Green 1-0 Ampthill.

Bad defensive error proved to be the only goal of what was a good, clean contest.

However the Ref and 2 Assistants I'm afraid were the worst I've ever come across, to the point I'm lead to believe had even members of Crawley Green apologising.

He produced a straight red and 5 bookings to Ampthill, nothing to Crawley Green, but there wasn't a single bad challenge throughout the game.

The Ref even admitted at half time that the red card wasn't a goalscoring opportunity and couldn't answer his decision why given when asked.

It's not sour grapes as we gifted them the goal and hold our hands up to that, but to witness officials tonight at this standard officiate in the

way they did was an embarrassment.

 

I'm afraid more bad news for the Club.

 

That will cost them at least £150 for Multi Player Misconduct.

even if we win the appeal .

 

There is no appeal on this.

 

If six or more individual Players pick up a card in a game the fine kicks in.

i no that but if we win the red appeal that will mean there was just 5 yellows . we have alot of witneses one being someone from south mids

 

If the red card is rescinded on appeal then you will not fall foul of the Multi Player Misconduct rule (assuming it's not down graded to a yellow).

 

For this to happen you will have to have video evidence that clearly shows that the Referee was wrong in Law to brandish a red card.

 

Best to get guidance on this from your County FA.

ok thanks

[NeutralFan]

No. 4 - "They don't seem to accept playing the ball and the man is a fair tackle"

 

We had championship official doing our game on Sunday and he said these tackles are being discouraged. (After what looked like a good tackle to me on one of our players was blown as a foul).

[Karen Browne]

The following is taken from the FA Disciplinary Handbook

• Club lodge a claim of Wrongful Dismissal to the County FA
  
• County receive claim and review the case with the DVD/video vidence supplied by the Club
  
• Claim Upheld -No further action taken, appeal fee refunded
  
• Claim Dismissed - Original Suspension re-imposed by the County
  

 

(Note) Any Claim of Wrongful Dismissal must be as per the procedures laid out in The Football Association Handbook. Please note this is where the Club must show that the Match Official has made a Serious and Obvious error.

 

Appeal - Claim of Wrongful Dismissal / Mistaken Identity

In all cases the appeal fee, which must be submitted with details of your appeal is £50, for Clubs outside the National League system the fee is £30.

 

Wrongful Dismissal (You must provide DVD/Video footage that the Match Official made a serious and obvious error in dismissing the Player from the field of play). Clubs must notify your FA by 5pm the day following the match.

 

Mistaken Identity

(The Match Official dismissed the wrong Player from the field of play) A Club must submit to the County Association written reasons for the claim, any supporting evidence and the appeal fee, within three working days of the match.

[Rhodes]

These days the higher up you go the more 'by the book' approach is adapted.

Out of interest what did you think of Ben Furneaux when he Officiated on the SSML, he has gone onto bigger and better things now but I've never seen a Referee brandish a card like he did, he had a trademark style, a bit like your good self running the line.

[ref off ref]

To be honest DVD/video evidence is the power to be's cop out, they know not every game is videoed so this way Refs are protected.

You can state all the rights and wrongs, the fact is why isn't a man's word taken as gospel, if enough people who witness events like last night are prepared to come forward then what's the problem, it's not trying to belittle the Ref but get justice for a player who now faces a ban because the officials acted without using common sense....and I speak for every player irrespective of who they play for who fall victim to incidents like this.

 

[Karen Browne]

Yes I am in agreement, any evidence should be allowed in a case of appealing. After all in court you are not solely relying on video evidence. Although it does seem to make the case more harder for the powers to be if they can see for themselves.

 

Best of luck in your appeal.

[Rhodes]

On my local League we rely on letters from the Clubs if a Referee puts in a below average performance.

You mean the KOPA League, are you too ashamed to name it!

[ref off ref]

A lot of what is being said in reference to last night shouldn't tarnish Ampthills name and the hard work people put in at the club.

This is my opinion of which on a forum am just stating, I don't care if the team I'm supporting lose every game 6-0 as long as the better team win and all decisions made are fair and equal.

Last night I went with the intention of watching a fair game, in the end I witnessed a circus with the clown in the middle taking centre stage.

 

[bicknell]

Craig, that lad Anthony was mustard, look sharp given it was his first outing for you and was unlucky with that effort he had that came back off the crossbar.

And you're right, had Macca played how long would he have lasted.....

Have to say one of the cleanest games I've seen in a while, maybe one booking was warranted but the rest, oh well as long as the Ref got home by 10 or Mummy wouldn't allow him out again.

on another good note hughesy is back with us sat mate as well

[Rhodes]

A lot of what is being said in reference to last night shouldn't tarnish Ampthills name and the hard work people put in at the club

Ref Off Ref - The trouble is that's exactly what it has done