Loose Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Amongst the debris of a resigning Minister over improper behaviours (he's married by the way, when did anyone last see his wife?) who takes a "good friend" on all his business trips we find out that the M.O.D's overspend has increased from £1.1bn to........... £3.1bn!!! Normal folk might hope that on finding themselves overspent by £1bn they might have seen the writing on the wall at a time when the rest of the country and even the armed services are forced to accept cuts that affect their very living and made efforts to reduce the deficit but no, they carry blithely on and increase the overspend!! Surely this is beyond a joke and when 32,000 civil servants are facing redundancy (let's hope the right ones are getting the chop!) they'd make an effort to balance the books and try and save their jobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphC Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Typical of the MOD if you ask me. Sounds like some heads should go at the top instead of the usual crew that get made redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 You've got to wonder if it's endemic from top to bottom though Ralph because surely even the lowest civil servant tea boy would be able to add and subtract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big J R Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Lets face it..... Corruption is rife in all forms of politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Bit harsh BJR,on second thoughts,maybe not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 I'd have to agree, can't look like much else and civil servants have been getting away with it for years and years. I remember a story during the nineties where the M.O.D were overpaying £80m odd on a helicopter contract and even though the supplier told civil servants the price should be lower they went ahead with the purchase! Where has all this gravy gone but into corrupt civil servants pockets and off shore bank accounts we must wonder. The M.O.D were planning on a £36bn overspend before they were told to cut their budget. Planning it! Even with MPs on their case looks like they are carrying on in the same corrupt manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I'd have to agree, can't look like much else and civil servants have been getting away with it for years and years. I remember a story during the nineties where the M.O.D were overpaying £80m odd on a helicopter contract and even though the supplier told civil servants the price should be lower they went ahead with the purchase! Where has all this gravy gone but into corrupt civil servants pockets and off shore bank accounts we must wonder. The M.O.D were planning on a £36bn overspend before they were told to cut their budget. Planning it! Even with MPs on their case looks like they are carrying on in the same corrupt manner. Even for conspiracy theorists it would difficult to believe that corruption on the scale mentioned is possible, or that any politician or civil servant could begin to imagine they could ever receive such large sums and never be detected. I prefer to think its completely down to sheer incompetence, although to be honest, I wouldn't gamble on it. There obviously needs to be a system put in place that would allow all public spending to be scrutinised by competent and independent persons, but thats unlikely to happen as it would also expose the majority of decision makers as being totally unsuited for high office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 I'd have to agree, can't look like much else and civil servants have been getting away with it for years and years. I remember a story during the nineties where the M.O.D were overpaying £80m odd on a helicopter contract and even though the supplier told civil servants the price should be lower they went ahead with the purchase! Where has all this gravy gone but into corrupt civil servants pockets and off shore bank accounts we must wonder. The M.O.D were planning on a £36bn overspend before they were told to cut their budget. Planning it! Even with MPs on their case looks like they are carrying on in the same corrupt manner. Even for conspiracy theorists it would difficult to believe that corruption on the scale mentioned is possible, or that any politician or civil servant could begin to imagine they could ever receive such large sums and never be detected. I prefer to think its completely down to sheer incompetence, although to be honest, I wouldn't gamble on it. There obviously needs to be a system put in place that would allow all public spending to be scrutinised by competent and independent persons, but thats unlikely to happen as it would also expose the majority of decision makers as being totally unsuited for high office. Well I guess that is what this discussion all boils down to MU. If corruption on this scale was going on it is so huge that they would all have to be in on it, some of them in on it and some of them totally incompetent, that it is so huge that they are all incompetent or again some and some. This sort of money doesn't just get handed to a supplier with no questions asked or brown envelopes changing hands does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 I'd have to agree, can't look like much else and civil servants have been getting away with it for years and years. I remember a story during the nineties where the M.O.D were overpaying £80m odd on a helicopter contract and even though the supplier told civil servants the price should be lower they went ahead with the purchase! Where has all this gravy gone but into corrupt civil servants pockets and off shore bank accounts we must wonder. The M.O.D were planning on a £36bn overspend before they were told to cut their budget. Planning it! Even with MPs on their case looks like they are carrying on in the same corrupt manner. Even for conspiracy theorists it would difficult to believe that corruption on the scale mentioned is possible, or that any politician or civil servant could begin to imagine they could ever receive such large sums and never be detected. I prefer to think its completely down to sheer incompetence, although to be honest, I wouldn't gamble on it. There obviously needs to be a system put in place that would allow all public spending to be scrutinised by competent and independent persons, but thats unlikely to happen as it would also expose the majority of decision makers as being totally unsuited for high office. . This sort of money doesn't just get handed to a supplier with no questions asked or brown envelopes changing hands does it? Don't know the answer to that question Loose, and I doubt that many people do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Fresh news today of the "mixed-up" priorities of our M.O.D today. More like the Gravy Train rolls on.. M.O.D civil servants spend £250m a year on official credit cards. Doesn't sound as if they exactly stint themselves at the taxpayers expense does it? £9m spent on advertising jobs at the M.O.D. Despite making redundancies of 32,000? Couldn't they just take a look at some employee records to find suitable CVs? £4,000 pounds a day paid to individual cost cutting consultants, they earn more in a week than a squaddie putting his life on the line in Afghanistan - or anywhere else for that matter. £5.5m spent to date on how to save money. Taking their credit cards off them might be a start.. Reeks of corruption or total incompetence from top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Loosely - You must be bored today that's all I can say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Fresh news today of the "mixed-up" priorities of our M.O.D today. More like the Gravy Train rolls on.. M.O.D civil servants spend £250m a year on official credit cards. Doesn't sound as if they exactly stint themselves at the taxpayers expense does it? £9m spent on advertising jobs at the M.O.D. Despite making redundancies of 32,000? Couldn't they just take a look at some employee records to find suitable CVs? £4,000 pounds a day paid to individual cost cutting consultants, they earn more in a week than a squaddie putting his life on the line in Afghanistan - or anywhere else for that matter. £5.5m spent to date on how to save money. Taking their credit cards off them might be a start.. Reeks of corruption or total incompetence from top to bottom. To be corrupt you would normally expect that person to have at least an above average level of competence, or it could be reasonably argued that total incompetence is a form of corruption. Taking credit cards away from all MOD personnel would be a good start, but removing the senior individuals who have allowed it to happen would be preferable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Missunderstood - I didn't expect you to jump on the bandwagon like this and pamper to Loosely's every wim, he has been a lonely sad individual since his play thing, namely Southill Alexander, went down with all hands last January and you're simply playing into his hands by responding to his silly posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 To be fair MU I can't see the incompetent flunkies getting their hands on these credit cards, can you? Mind you it's always been jobs for the boys hasn't it, pass the entrance exam (11+ basically) and they thought they had jobs for life and could keep pouring the gravy at all levels so no-one wants to rock the gravy (boat). That is criminal imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 To be fair MU I can't see the incompetent flunkies getting their hands on these credit cards, can you? Mind you it's always been jobs for the boys hasn't it, pass the entrance exam (11+ basically) and they thought they had jobs for life and could keep pouring the gravy at all levels so no-one wants to rock the gravy (boat). That is criminal imo. It makes you wonder what can be done about it. At one time you could write to your MP, and some of them would at least try and do something to correct the situation, unfortunately most MPs are now either corrupt, ,incompetent, criminals, or a combination of all three. Any suggestions on what can be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Missunderstood - I didn't expect you to jump on the bandwagon like this and pamper to Loosely's every wim, Oh dear Rhodesy, you've resorted to telling other people what and when they can post now, in my book that makes you a pretty sad character. PS. It's Whim you poor dumb shmuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Anyway...back on topic (for the moment at least until dips hit wants to stick his nose back in).... To be fair MU I can't see the incompetent flunkies getting their hands on these credit cards, can you? Mind you it's always been jobs for the boys hasn't it, pass the entrance exam (11+ basically) and they thought they had jobs for life and could keep pouring the gravy at all levels so no-one wants to rock the gravy (boat). That is criminal imo. It makes you wonder what can be done about it. At one time you could write to your MP, and some of them would at least try and do something to correct the situation, unfortunately most MPs are now either corrupt, ,incompetent, criminals, or a combination of all three. Any suggestions on what can be done? Tempted to say put it all in the private sector but in truth they just need a complete clean sweep of all the deadwood losers and some professional purchasing teams put in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Loosely - What have you been doing with your time out of interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missunderstood Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Seeing that a conventional war is unlikely to be fought within our shores as we have little in the way of natural resources like oil, to fight over, maybe we don't even need an MOD that spends vasts amounts of our money on boys toys that only benefit corrupt weapons manufacturers, warmonger Prime ministers and armchair generals that make small fortunes commentating on TV and in the right wing press on our illegal and immoral wars. Any war waged against us would either be a nuclear attack from a rogue state that actually does have weapons of mass destruction, and which would make all those boys toys worthless, or possibly a cyber attack that could bring the UK to its knees, or an invasion from within, by a minority group that chooses to breed more successfully than the ethnic Brits, and would be legal and democratic. Horace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhodes Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Seeing that a conventional war is unlikely to be fought within our shores Missunderstood – Like I said you are just playing into Loosely’s hands by involving yourself in this debate but how can you be so certain there won’t be a conventional war in the not too distant future, we never thought it would happen in 1939 did we and look what happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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