Matt Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Let's hope that Hanworth have adequate stewarding then, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishadrian Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I think we need to put this behind us now and concentrate on winning the replay and I hope we have learned some lessons It simply isnt true that we couldnt have anticipated the number of opposition fans arriving thread number 35 back on 12th October told us so and the travel arrangements for this game were posted on the Villa site for some time We should have arranged more stewards. Most posters blame alcohol as the main reason for the appalling behaviour It is a serious offence under Licensing law to sell alcohol to anyone clearly drunk or to someone not drunk if you have reason to believe they will pass it to someone who is The maximum penalties are 6 months in jail /£20000 fine .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Juan DeMarcus Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I'll be there Tuesday! Sure it will be a lot nicer!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris sliski Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Well the two posters from Hanworth , who incidentally had a chance to reply on our message board .. must either be deaf and blind ! who are they trying to kid ... Next they will be telling me that Mira Hindly is innocent ! Read King Taffs posting ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris sliski Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Also east side urchin ... why would have we required extra stewarding in the face of a 500 plus crowd of Non League supporters ? we had 4 normal stewards and 4 others in reserve .. well enough to cope with this sort of crowd ! Yes as a club , we know we are ultimately responsible , but for the last 20 years or so ... we have never seen anything like we did yesterday ! This from a team in the combined Counties ... who most of our supporters would have respected with such a good following from a non league team... but this was not the case at all... You was not there ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePigeon Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 If I was on here to provoke a reaction I clearly would not have been as diplomatic in my post as i was! You are already hugely over-reacting about Saturdays events as it is so no point trying to provoke anymore. Just thought I would say that I didn't actually see the post about the disabled gentleman and if this was said without provocation then I completely agree that is unacceptable and I don't think any of our fans would condone that sort of thing, but like i said before, there is always two sides to every story and you always seem to think you are right no matter what anyone else thinks or says! Please, please, please stop moaning about people being drunk! I was in the bar at half time and I heard no complaints when you were taking our £3.40 for every pint drunk (don't know how some of us Hanworth scum managed to afford that out of our giro cheques) Theres a very simple answer - SHUT THE BAR. I saw a door on the bar, all you had to do was shut it, but you didn't and you carried on taking the money and serving the drinks and then moan about it afterwards! I like a little drink at half time and that is down to me if I want to have one, the same as if people have paid their money to come on the coach they have the right to drink in the bar if they so wish. I heard not 1 remark from the people drinking in the beer garden and watching the game from there. I assume some of you have been to a pro game before? I have been going to Chelsea pretty regularly home and away for 15 years and in that time I have probably seen less than 5 people ejected from the ground and I can assure you the chants are far worse than they were yesterday. And no I don't sit with the prawn sandwich brigade, i sit in the Matthew Harding Lower where lets just say there are a few characters. I think half of your bitterness towards the whole drink situation is that Beaconsfield reap the rewards of the bar and that is not Hanworth Villa's problem. We have a drink wherever we go and we have every right to do so if there is a bar there that is open. If you heard the fans in the first half from the stand behind the goal and you didn't like it then why on earth did your fans come down there for the second half and then moan about it when they got there??? If anyone is trying to provoke a reaction then surely it was your fans for coming to stand in the same area as us! And as for jumping around in peoples faces when we scored, have you seen how small the stand is and how many people were in there? Of course you are going to bump into people and I'm sure it was not deliberate and directly in their faces. What is football coming to if you can't celebrate a goal, maybe a library is a more appropriate place for you if that is your feelings towards non-league football. I'm all for family orientated environments but it is a sport and people are passionate and there will always be swearing no matter what ground, what level, or how many people are watching. If you feel this is inappropriate for ladies and children then again, thats your choice on whether you bring them along or not. If you think that the amount of people we bought on Saturday is a one off then you are going to be sadly disappointed Tuesday night. Just take a look at our usual league attendances which are 150 most weeks and i should think you can at least double that. Yes it is a massive occasion for us, its our first year in the competition and to draw seasoned campaigners like yourselves was a plum draw in itself but we have already achieved well above expectations this season and if you think coming to the ranch on Tuesday night will be an easy game then I think you will be sadly mistaken. As for our stewarding, its more than adequate and there has never ever been any incidents at Hanworth that have required police presence (things have been a hell of a lot more heated than they were Saturday but obviously you felt it was such an intimidating atmosphere that 4 police cars were required) At the end of the day we have a loyal support and a good side and if you don't like us then thats fine, you wouldn't be the first and you probably won't be the last but life goes on. I personally thought the set-up and the general hospitality Saturday was good and have no problems at all with Slough Town FC and I look forward to a great game Tuesday. I'm sure you will all be warmly welcomed to our club and we certainly won't be shutting the bar so if you want to have a drink, we will probably be more than happy to have a drink with you and we certainly won't be complaining that you are too drunk - oh and our beer is only £2.80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 If I was on here to provoke a reaction I clearly would not have been as diplomatic in my post as i was! You are already hugely over-reacting about Saturdays events as it is so no point trying to provoke anymore. Just thought I would say that I didn't actually see the post about the disabled gentleman and if this was said without provocation then I completely agree that is unacceptable and I don't think any of our fans would condone that sort of thing, but like i said before, there is always two sides to every story and you always seem to think you are right no matter what anyone else thinks or says! Please, please, please stop moaning about people being drunk! I was in the bar at half time and I heard no complaints when you were taking our £3.40 for every pint drunk (don't know how some of us Hanworth scum managed to afford that out of our giro cheques) Theres a very simple answer - SHUT THE BAR. I saw a door on the bar, all you had to do was shut it, but you didn't and you carried on taking the money and serving the drinks and then moan about it afterwards! I like a little drink at half time and that is down to me if I want to have one, the same as if people have paid their money to come on the coach they have the right to drink in the bar if they so wish. I heard not 1 remark from the people drinking in the beer garden and watching the game from there. I assume some of you have been to a pro game before? I have been going to Chelsea pretty regularly home and away for 15 years and in that time I have probably seen less than 5 people ejected from the ground and I can assure you the chants are far worse than they were yesterday. And no I don't sit with the prawn sandwich brigade, i sit in the Matthew Harding Lower where lets just say there are a few characters. I think half of your bitterness towards the whole drink situation is that Beaconsfield reap the rewards of the bar and that is not Hanworth Villa's problem. We have a drink wherever we go and we have every right to do so if there is a bar there that is open. If you heard the fans in the first half from the stand behind the goal and you didn't like it then why on earth did your fans come down there for the second half and then moan about it when they got there??? If anyone is trying to provoke a reaction then surely it was your fans for coming to stand in the same area as us! And as for jumping around in peoples faces when we scored, have you seen how small the stand is and how many people were in there? Of course you are going to bump into people and I'm sure it was not deliberate and directly in their faces. What is football coming to if you can't celebrate a goal, maybe a library is a more appropriate place for you if that is your feelings towards non-league football. I'm all for family orientated environments but it is a sport and people are passionate and there will always be swearing no matter what ground, what level, or how many people are watching. If you feel this is inappropriate for ladies and children then again, thats your choice on whether you bring them along or not. If you think that the amount of people we bought on Saturday is a one off then you are going to be sadly disappointed Tuesday night. Just take a look at our usual league attendances which are 150 most weeks and i should think you can at least double that. Yes it is a massive occasion for us, its our first year in the competition and to draw seasoned campaigners like yourselves was a plum draw in itself but we have already achieved well above expectations this season and if you think coming to the ranch on Tuesday night will be an easy game then I think you will be sadly mistaken. As for our stewarding, its more than adequate and there has never ever been any incidents at Hanworth that have required police presence (things have been a hell of a lot more heated than they were Saturday but obviously you felt it was such an intimidating atmosphere that 4 police cars were required) At the end of the day we have a loyal support and a good side and if you don't like us then thats fine, you wouldn't be the first and you probably won't be the last but life goes on. I personally thought the set-up and the general hospitality Saturday was good and have no problems at all with Slough Town FC and I look forward to a great game Tuesday. I'm sure you will all be warmly welcomed to our club and we certainly won't be shutting the bar so if you want to have a drink, we will probably be more than happy to have a drink with you and we certainly won't be complaining that you are too drunk - oh and our beer is only £2.80 You clearly know very little about non-league football. Keep on going to Chelsea please, until the money runs out, then you can support either of the Manchester clubs. Just leave non-league alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePigeon Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I know plenty about non-league football, i play twice a week and watch at least two games a week as well. What you are really saying is because you dont agree, I must be wrong because there is absolutely no chance you could be wrong is there?? Thats the problem with this particular messageboard, you wanted a Hanworth perspective and I am giving one and you dont like it so automatically I must be wrong! How shallow can you be? How about you take yourself out of your slough town bubble, take off your blinkers and then read my post again and respect my opinion just like I have sat for the past day and watched all of your post slating our club and respected that. I'm not here for an argument, i'm here to give my opinion, if you don't like it, thats your problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 How can anyone here respect your opinion when you fail to condemn the things that went on yesterday. You mention that the stand is small and that people are bound to bump into each other - that's a load of balls. Your lot could easily have kept themselves to themselves. Celebrating a goal is one thing, but there was no need for all the aggressive intimidation. And still no recognition in your last couple of posts about all the racism - or is that alright because you've seen people get away with it elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brighton_rebel Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Mr.Pigeon, I must have imagined two incidents of Hanworth fans threatening me in the second half. Must have been cos i was one of the few Slough fans who refused to be intimidated and leave the covered end until the last 5 minutes and had the cheek to respond to some of the 'banter.' A like a good old drink up on a Saturday and agree that football is a passionate sport and we can say things we regret. I thought it was fantastic you brought so many fans, and chatting to some of them after the game and looking at your website you clearly have done a great job with the success of the social club, bucking the trend of pubs and clubs closing in your area. But if you think that most of the behaviour and chanting was acceptable then god help us Tuesday. If i can get out of work, will be there Tuesday but must admit i'm not really looking forward to it which is a shame as i love the FA Cup. Your team did you proud on Saturday, a significant number of your supporters did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris sliski Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I rest my case ... By the number of new posting from Slough Fans (some are totally new posters ) on here and now reaching over 100 postings .. can tell you how angry and upset our supporters are ... We welcome away supporters with open arms ! Its great to see so many from your club ..but why did some (no all) need to act with venom ? there is a huge difference between banter and abuse /intimidation ... Lets hope for a good game of football on tuesday ..as good as it was on Saturday ..and we can all support our clubs and hope the best team wins..and leave it as that ... Up the Rebels... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePigeon Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I didn't see any reason for the Slough fans to come into the covered area when it was already full! That to me is provocation and then you moan when we celebrate, surely the sensible thing to do would have been to stay wherever you were in the first half as we had clearly made sure all our supporters were in one confined area. I really don't understand why you suddenly took it upon yourselves to come into that area out of all the places you could have stood in the ground! Yes i have heard far worse chanting at numerous grounds, both league and non-league, and I don't think the chanting Saturday warranted the response it has had. But again thats my opinion and you are entitled to yours so we will have to agree to disagree. Chris I completely agree with you and understand that some of your fans are upset with the events of Saturday, but my point is that I think a large number are upset because you weren't expecting such a big and vocal following. I personally acted with no venom at all and i completely appreciate your point about there being a huge difference between banter and abuse but I honestly have seen far worse than what occurred Saturday. Maybe our league is lets say a little more grass roots than the league up that you currently play in because we really didn't feel that Saturday was out of the norm. We have been on the receiving end of far, far worse chanting than that and we all took it all in good spirits and had it down as a bit of banter but I guess everybody is looking on things differently. I personally was standing in the left hand side of the stand, the end near the cafe and everyone around me acted perfectly fine. I had a few Slough supporters behind me and they were absolutely fine with what was being chanted and they were laughing and joking and I really thought things were in a decent spirit! Thats why I was so shocked when i saw all the negative posts. Granted, I couldn't see and hear everything that was going on so I can't either accept or condone some of the accusations but I can assure you that I have never seen any Hanworth game ever turn nasty either on or off the pitch and if this was the case I would be very surprised. Matt if you read my previous post I did condemn what was said to the disabled gentleman that is posting, if that was said. That is not banter and i respect that. I am all for a bit of banter between sides and also enjoy a Saturday drink, i just really feel that Saturday has been taken way, way out of proportion. I think Chris is right, i think we should all be looking forward to a great game Tuesday night and everyone at Hanworth will be looking forward to your away support as it makes the game that little bit more special. I'm sure i'm speaking on behalf of all at Hanworth Villa when i say that it would be silly for any regular Slough fans not to come to the game Tuesday as there will be no problems at all and we will, as we do with all our away fans, give you a warm welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark44 Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 The pidgeon. I am more than happy to be involved in banter etc but hanging off our stand roof, pushing into us and trying to pick fights is unacceptable. It's not passion it's thuggery as I have stated before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 I didn't see any reason for the Slough fans to come into the covered area when it was already full! That to me is provocation and then you moan when we celebrate, surely the sensible thing to do would have been to stay wherever you were in the first half as we had clearly made sure all our supporters were in one confined area. I really don't understand why you suddenly took it upon yourselves to come into that area out of all the places you could have stood in the ground! You really are a weapon. For someone who claims they know Non-League you obviously don't know a lot. You obviously play at places that have such little support that no one swaps ends like they do at all other fixtures at our level, above and below. Our fans have every right to expect that when the covered end emptied out at half time for your drunken rabble not to come back out and fill it up again after seeing our lot occupying the area. The one guy that seemly had a brain cell in the group and cottoned on the fact that this had happened tried to get your lot to move on but was just given a volley of abuse in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelSTFC Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 You keep banging on about respect, Pigeon, but show little understanding of the concept. Fans of non-league, which you clearly know so much about, have the right to change ends and support their team at the end they are attacking. You also have the right to stay where you are and banter. Fans also have the right to watch a game without being physically and verbally threatened by -- er -- "characters", which apparently is shorthand for bigoted knuckle-draggers who can't hold their drink. Of course, it's not your fault, because it's your "opinion" that you acted impeccably. "I didn't punch him, guv, he ran into my fist. Nuffin' to do with me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris sliski Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 (edited) We were expecting you .. we knew you were coming with 2 supporters coaches .. Just a pointer for your information ... at non league grounds its normal for the two teams supporters to change ends ! so we expected your supporters to go down to the far end ! and in fact when the 2nd half started ..your players come out with hardly any of yours in the covered end ! in fact the Slough Supporters were all in there at the start of the second half ... then most come from the bar about 10 mins into the second half and proceeded to stand under the covered end, this is when the pushing and shoving started ! and the nastiness ....and intimidation ... none of this happen in the first half because most of our supporters were at the other end ! Why did you not move to the other end to spur your team on ? Just an observation ? Edited October 16, 2011 by chris sliski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Its amazing how the FA Cup can bring out some total morons who have probably never even been to a league game and clearly have one thing in mind. To intimidate and bully. Borehamwood, Bedford and Hayes have been the masters of this down the years. Every so often though these chancers get more than they bargain for. Borehamwood got something of a hot reception at Worksop, Bedford picked the wrong club to try and bully in Wealdstone. I sincerely hope though, that no one was hurt yesterday and that the away game at their place passes by without any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Urchin Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Chris,my point is that if it was as bad as described then surely if the stewards numbers were below what was needed and with such behaviour,then a small police presence should of been called.It is an offence for people to use threatening and racist language and if peoples safety is at risk then the police act upon that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris sliski Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 apparently we did ! they arrived 10 mins after the game was over ! The point was we never expected this from a fellow non league side .. hindsight is wonderful thing ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePigeon Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Like I said, its our first year in the cup and no we haven't been to grounds like that and we had no idea that swapping ends at half-time was the norm. As it happens me and a couple of others were actually trying to get our supporters to go to the other end as it seemed like a logical thing to do, but they didn't want to which I guess is up to them. That's not through ignorance, its simply that we didn't know thats what happens. Usually the grounds we go to have stands at the side only and this is why there was obviously some confusion. That doesn't make us wrong, same as it doesn't make you wrong! The reason they came out 10mins into the second half was because it took 15mins to get a drink because only two bar staff were working, surely logic would have said big crowd, more bar staff, but it wasn't the case. Anyway thats nothing to do with you as you don't run the bar so its irrelevant but I'm just saying this is why they were all late out. Why everytime i put a post on here does someone feel the need to be sarcastic? Michael and Tom - non-league is from grass roots up, at varying age groups and levels. All i said was i play twice a week and watch it twice a week which I feel means i know about a variety of different non-league levels and abilities that yes is maybe a little below the level you are used to but is still non-league all the same. Just because its not Slough Town doesn't mean its not non-league you know! Again, take your blinkers off for a few minutes and think about it. Seems like the only person on here who knows how to have a decent conversation and makes valid points without being sarcastic is Chris. I have come on here to speak to your community and try to simmer the situation for the good of everyone Tuesday night. I could quite easily have come on here and been nasty or sarcastic with the points I am making but I haven't because I am trying to resolve the situation to some degree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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