Maybe I should give up?

[Molly11]

Smudger ... I hope ur grandson is ok... However one of my pet hates is cheats and when the ball hits someone on the leg and the player holds his face and rolls around or when playesrs hold their face as if been hit by a cricket bat when not even touched will you still be running on the pitch. I feel that ...yes the ref should stop play but it would help the refs if there were not so many cheats so they could make a decision on fact rather than fiction..

 

Weeble,of course I will not,there were 2 examples the other night where players kicked the ball out,so a player could receive treatment,once by each side.Applauded by me I must say.Sadly in this case they did not.

 

 

I think this post has had enough interest now.

Like I said Smudge I hope Terry is ok.

But If any Horley player would of honestly thought he had a bad injury including myself we would of put the ball out.

To be honest All the Croydon players were trying to waste time, to stop us playing football and thats also why in the end your forward got sent off because it was our free kick, he walked off with the ball and I shoved him to get the ball off him and he decided to grab me around the throat. He was lucky to only get a second yellow he should of got a straight red so the ref did you a favour there.

Did you get sent off for the shove? If not the ref got that wrong as well

[FSB]

Smudge i'm sorry if Terry is injured and hope he is not in pain. For the record i like you. I don't always agree with what you say on here but i like people who speak their mind and enjoy talking football with you.

 

I have read this topic and was not sure whether I should give my view or not, still not sure i should, I but will in the hope that it brings some of the more aggressive comments to an end.

 

From where i was in the dugout the clash was on the far side of the pitch. Nobody appealed for a foul so i assume the clash was accidental. From the time of Terry falling to the pitch and the ball being in the net was probably between 5-10 seconds. The ball came out of the clash fell to my wide player who crossed it and Kyle stuck it in the net.

 

I'm not sure the Referee had time to analyse all of that nor any of my players consider whether it was serious or not. It often takes 20-30 seconds for play to be stopped in these circumstances.

 

As you already stated both teams at some point in the game had kicked the ball out of play when it looked like an opponent had been injured.

 

I admire your support of Croydon and your concern for your Grandson, I hope he recovers quickly and is playing soon.

 

Take Care

 

Ali

Edited September 29, 2011 by FSB

[Eastside Urchin]

So the Croydon players were wasting time??

No surprise then that the Horley players didn't kick the ball out,I wouldn't either.Fed up with cheats in the game and probably felt it was a case of another player wasting time.

So let's face it Smudge,you should have a go at the Croydon players,tell them that their actions could of had serious consequences had your grandson been more seriously injured.Instead you take it out on the referee and do it in a sly way,waiting for about 40 posts before you mention it's a relative of yours!!

[Fat Boy]

P.C. CRAP,UTTER BOLLOX,ALLEGATIONS OF LYING,AND SOME TONGUE IN CHEEK COMMENTS FROM KROONS.

 

Fact:- I was there were you,it was my Grandson laying on the floor in a prone position for over a minute.Not that it would of made any difference to who it was,the Referee should of stopped play immediately.

 

Fact:- Kroons remark re: Players kicking the ball out,Croydon Players could not get near the ball,and Horley were losing 1-0,not in their interests to do so,good job in hindsight they scored.

 

Fact:- Spent 3 hrs down A & E,X-Rays,Result small crack to Jawbone,and Mild Concussion.

 

Fact:- In hindsight maybe my Grandson should not of played anymore,but as Croydon had used all their 3 Subs,he stayed on.

 

Will tell you this though,if I am ever at a game again and an incident like this happens to any Player,I Will take action myself,by invading the pitch,and suffer the consequences.The Ref should take a long hard look at himself,he failed miserably.

 

Nope wasn't there, but if you want to talk about facts, how about giving us all of them at the start, like the fact he was your grandson, or the fact that there was only 10 or 15 seconds from when he went down to the goal going in. If this is the first time you have seen a ref fail to stop the game, then you either haven't watched many games or are watching through sphincter shaped glasses. It happens a lot. As I (and others) have said, if it was a bad injury, the other team would have kicked the ball out. Mild concussion can be next to nothing which is why there is no mandatory time off playing as a result.

 

The game you watch and your grandson plays in, is a mans game. It is not a game for fairies. If the game is constantly stop starting, fans would turn away in droves, which is why they made the rule about only blowing when it was a head injury when the initial proposal was for any injury.

 

If you invade the pitch as you plan, I hope you are banned from football at all levels. If you don't I hope you enjoy many games in the future.

 

I also hope your grandson is ok.

 

Now chill out.

[streetcar named despair]

I was at the game, supporting Croydon. An appreciable amount of time elapsed between the injury occuring and the goal, 10 to 15 seconds can be a long time in football, however the incident took place behind the Horley attacker's backs - if the boot had been on the other foot then I would have expected Croydon to play on unless it was a clear cut nasty injury. So no problem with Horley's actions from me.

 

In any case, my understanding is that the current directive is to play on and allow the referee to make any decisions about stopping play. Clearly, whether or not it's a man's game, a head injury had occured and the referee made a poor decision by allowing play to continue.

 

So in my opinion no problem with the goal (annoyingly frustrating though it was) but a learning point for the ref.

 

As to Croydon's time-wasting, well yes, of course it was going on, but not excessively, again if the boot was on the other foot...

 

But HTFC supporter should have been sent off for his violent conduct, many players would have gone to ground after the 2 handed push in the back, rather than naively retaliating and getting sent off (and no i'm not condoning falling over at the slightest contact, although this was a vigorous shove).

[BUFC]

Smudge

 

Whilst you as a fan may have shouted very loudly, you should know that a referee is not likely to take notice of what spectators shout as, frankly, a lot of it is ill-informed to say the least.

 

This is not a case of 'defending our own' but more a case of explaining and making aware to those outside of the refereeing fraternity of the application of the laws of the game and decision-making in respect of that.

 

In terms of assessment and self-assessment, here is an example of a comment on this subject from an assessment I once received;

 

'You were alert to player injuries, particularly head injuries. As we discussed post match, although you considered that the home player was “milking” the injury after 73 minutes the first consideration must be the player’s welfare and it is better to stop the match immediately.'

 

I stand by my decision at the time not to stop play as I was close enough to see the home player look at me to see where I was then go down as play had continued upfield towards his goal, and I considered him to be feigning injury in a means to stop the opposition going forward. In retrospect, and after considering the verbal debrief and written assessment from the assessor, I would manage the situation differently now. So that's assessment and self-assessment in a nutshell!

 

in a nutshell you are saying you will only do what assessors say..........ar5e licker

[Eastside Urchin]

Whenever we have assessors at our games,the level of refereeing seems to drop,it's almost as if some are scared of making a mistake

[Krooner]

Disagree. It is the perception that because an assessor is there. It changes very little other than the odd card for kicking the ball away.

[Gluck_ab]

Smudge

 

Whilst you as a fan may have shouted very loudly, you should know that a referee is not likely to take notice of what spectators shout as, frankly, a lot of it is ill-informed to say the least.

 

This is not a case of 'defending our own' but more a case of explaining and making aware to those outside of the refereeing fraternity of the application of the laws of the game and decision-making in respect of that.

 

In terms of assessment and self-assessment, here is an example of a comment on this subject from an assessment I once received;

 

'You were alert to player injuries, particularly head injuries. As we discussed post match, although you considered that the home player was “milking” the injury after 73 minutes the first consideration must be the player’s welfare and it is better to stop the match immediately.'

 

I stand by my decision at the time not to stop play as I was close enough to see the home player look at me to see where I was then go down as play had continued upfield towards his goal, and I considered him to be feigning injury in a means to stop the opposition going forward. In retrospect, and after considering the verbal debrief and written assessment from the assessor, I would manage the situation differently now. So that's assessment and self-assessment in a nutshell!

 

in a nutshell you are saying you will only do what assessors say..........ar5e licker

 

Not at all. I said I would manage the situation differently. We're free to take or leave their advice as we choose but, given that it's on the basis of their years of previous refereeing experience (often at a more senior level), their training in the assessor role and the annual reaccreditation they're required to undertake, I think it's worth listening and taking on board what they have to say. Certainly their advice carries more weight than ill-informed and unqualified 'advice' from others.

[Mewcenary]

Plus the assessor becomes the focus of the players and officials sometimes when a decision is not one that the team likes. I've certainly had comments like:

 

"The assessor is going to crucify you for that" (After dismissing a player for shoving an opponent's head down into the ground)

 

"You're just doing that for your mate over there" (After a well-deserved caution for a reckless challenge)

[Weeble]

I find that upon assessment at any level there are more technical cautions as that is one of the tick off points..... However players must be aware that if they behave a refs job would be somewhat easier.

Think about it before you respond............

Edited September 30, 2011 by Weeble

[Mewcenary]

I would add one thing to that: An assessor will dock points for cautions which are incorrect in Law. In addition, some cautions can be more open to interpretation (e.g. dissent). Mistiming that sort of caution can result in a loss in match control, which is another key area for assessments.

[Egg&Ham]

Egham had this Ref today and he was fine. 8 out of 10 for me I think we should give refs a fair crack and anyone who thinks they can do better become a Ref

[Smudge]

Egg & Ham.would expect no less you won 3-1,all refs are brill when you win,please comment when you get beat.

[Egg&Ham]

Think you may of missed the point of this post Smudge. The point i am trying to make and i include myself in this is as Fans we think we can Ref the game when most of us could not do it. You need to chill a bit. As For Egham Winning it was a really great result for us and i don.t think watever ref we had today would of changed that Up the Egham

[Gsy_Spurs]

Egg & Ham.would expect no less you won 3-1,all refs are brill when you win,please comment when you get beat.

 

Kind of betrays your own underlying attitude

[Smudge]

Mr. J. Ryan and his Assistants were excellent yesterday in the 1-1 draw between Croydon and Guildford at the Arena.The pitch was excellent as usual,the 2 ball boys did a marvelous job, the players played their part to in playing the game in a very Competitive ,but non niggly fashion,which resulted in 'No Cards being issued.A blessing after Tuesday's debacle.A draw was a fair result over the 90 minutes,but as always there was a Major Talking point,in the 90th minute a Guildford Player struck a shot from the edge of the area,that was heading goalbound,halfway on it's journey before nestling in the back of the Net,Mr. Ryan blew the Full time whistle,much to Croydon's delight,and Guildfords dismay.Nice to meet JAKESFANCLUB,although he wern't a Happy Bunny.

[bomaya]

I've seen 32 games this season, most as a complete neutral and I've yet to see a bad referee performance. Yes, refs have made mistakes. Maybe once in 32 games has it affected the result but overall refs just give decisions based on what they see. I am increasingly dismayed at the abuse refs get from players/benches/fans from the both sides in every game. I really don't know how they put up with it. I'm no saint and I have given refs abuse when I've been involved in a game, it takes seeing a game as a neutral before you can sometimes reset your opinion to a level headed one.

 

Not sure how things get better, maybe start slowly - how about a yellow card for complaining about which way a throw in has gone. I'm shocked sometimes how angry and abusive players and benches can get over a throw-in on the halfway line but they do. Yellow card the feckers and see how it goes then.

[GD The Fall Guy]

I've seen 32 games this season, most as a complete neutral and I've yet to see a bad referee performance. Yes, refs have made mistakes. Maybe once in 32 games has it affected the result but overall refs just give decisions based on what they see. I am increasingly dismayed at the abuse refs get from players/benches/fans from the both sides in every game. I really don't know how they put up with it. I'm no saint and I have given refs abuse when I've been involved in a game, it takes seeing a game as a neutral before you can sometimes reset your opinion to a level headed one.

 

Not sure how things get better, maybe start slowly - how about a yellow card for complaining about which way a throw in has gone. I'm shocked sometimes how angry and abusive players and benches can get over a throw-in on the halfway line but they do. Yellow card the feckers and see how it goes then.

I think fans and benches and players shouting at the ref and linesman is all part of the fun of the game as long as it doesn't get abusive it's fine.

 

I've watched all of Guernsey FCs home games and one away one and the refs have been good quality. Well done the CCL the standards of refs has been excellent