Camberley Town turned over

[Flint700]

Just heard the unwecome news that the club was raided last night and has been decimated by some scumbags of the highest order.

[Brunty.]

Sorry to hear that news. What a bunch of [censored] idiots !!

[johnnojudo]

Such low life's!

[Smudge]

Sad news,never good to hear at anytime.Hope the damage caused is minor,and they catch the scum that did it.Best wishes to all at Camberley.

[NICE GUY]

Dorking, Sandhurst now Camberley what the hells going on with these cowardly scum bags ?..... I repeat, the only answer is National Service, that will teach them a lesson on what respect means. !

 

I wonder if Camberley have CCTV ?

 

Does anyone know the extent of the damage caused ?

 

Hope the damage isn't too bad.....all the best Camberley !

[Green_Fingers]

Dorking, Sandhurst now Camberley what the hells going on with these cowardly scum bags ?..... I repeat, the only answer is National Service, that will teach them a lesson on what respect means. !

 

I wonder if Camberley have CCTV ?

 

Does anyone know the extent of the damage caused ?

 

Hope the damage isn't too bad.....all the best Camberley !

 

Dorking, Sandhurst now Camberley what the hells going on with these cowardly scum bags ?..... I repeat, the only answer is National Service, that will teach them a lesson on what respect means. !

 

I wonder if Camberley have CCTV ?

 

Does anyone know the extent of the damage caused ?

 

Hope the damage isn't too bad.....all the best Camberley !

 

Since you repeated that view NG - here's Gluck's counter view to remind you why he feels it's not the answer lol

 

NG

 

National Service is not the answer to this problem - the Army (and Navy and RAF) now is a very different organisation to the one when national service existed. The issues that need addressing now are social, cultural, educational, historical, etc, and there are other means and methods to address those. Forcing individuals into a system which is not designed to meet this purpose would be counter-productive and the resources (in terms of personnel, finance and materiel) dedicated to training recruits are better served on those who actually want to be there and to make something of themselves as a stepping stone to other careers or as long-term career in HM Forces

[Green_Fingers]

Sorry to hear this news - hope they catch the t**sers

[Gluck_ab]

GF

 

My opinion on why National Service isn't the answer remains the same as when I made that post. If you read further posts in that particular thread by me, you'll understand why that is the case.

 

Camberley Town is a club local to me and I too hope that the damage / losses can be repaired / replaced, and that the perpetrators are caught and punished.

 

GA

[NICE GUY]

Dorking, Sandhurst now Camberley what the hells going on with these cowardly scum bags ?..... I repeat, the only answer is National Service, that will teach them a lesson on what respect means. !

 

I wonder if Camberley have CCTV ?

 

Does anyone know the extent of the damage caused ?

 

Hope the damage isn't too bad.....all the best Camberley !

 

Dorking, Sandhurst now Camberley what the hells going on with these cowardly scum bags ?..... I repeat, the only answer is National Service, that will teach them a lesson on what respect means. !

 

I wonder if Camberley have CCTV ?

 

Does anyone know the extent of the damage caused ?

 

Hope the damage isn't too bad.....all the best Camberley !

 

Since you repeated that view NG - here's Gluck's counter view to remind you why he feels it's not the answer lol

 

NG

 

National Service is not the answer to this problem - the Army (and Navy and RAF) now is a very different organisation to the one when national service existed. The issues that need addressing now are social, cultural, educational, historical, etc, and there are other means and methods to address those. Forcing individuals into a system which is not designed to meet this purpose would be counter-productive and the resources (in terms of personnel, finance and materiel) dedicated to training recruits are better served on those who actually want to be there and to make something of themselves as a stepping stone to other careers or as long-term career in HM Forces

 

My original reply to Gluck was that he must have been in the forces !......got no reply, but still think he's wrong. Its about opinions, maybe not all the offenders will comply but they will have to, and be taught discipline which is a major factor here by these type of scum. Nicey, nicey, feel sorry for you gentle approach doesn't work in my eyes, they will (not all) just laugh back and abuse their training to be nice boys.....hard core for me I'm afraid, learn the hard way.

Edited September 19, 2011 by NICE GUY

[Gluck_ab]

NG

 

I've been busy hence not replying / contributing further to the original thread.

 

I am in HM Forces and my experience of receiving old-school style training as a recruit and, later in my career, delivering training, is that 'thrashing', 'beasting', or whatever phrase you may have read that is used to try and instil discipline and respect in an individual, only works when that person wants to be there and is prepared to accept that as part of their training. As I stated in a previous point, recruits to HM Forces have signed-up to this whereas the individuals you want to undertake National Service won't / don't want to be there. Therefore, why waste valuable resources on them when all that addresses is the effects and not the causes of their actions? That does not mean they should not go unpunished for their crimes though!  

 

Needless 'beasting' or 'thrashing' might get someone fitter than they were before but it won't address the reasons that caused the poor behaviour in the first place.

 

This is an interesting subject but I think would be better in a thread of its own, and this one remain focused on what has unfortunately happened to CTFC and our collective show of support to them.

GA

[NICE GUY]

NG

 

I've been busy hence not replying / contributing further to the original thread.

 

I am in HM Forces and my experience of receiving old-school style training as a recruit and, later in my career, delivering training, is that 'thrashing', 'beasting', or whatever phrase you may have read that is used to try and instil discipline and respect in an individual, only works when that person wants to be there and is prepared to accept that as part of their training. As I stated in a previous point, recruits to HM Forces have signed-up to this whereas the individuals you want to undertake National Service won't / don't want to be there. Therefore, why waste valuable resources on them when all that addresses is the effects and not the causes of their actions? That does not mean they should not go unpunished for their crimes though!

 

Needless 'beasting' or 'thrashing' might get someone fitter than they were before but it won't address the reasons that caused the poor behaviour in the first place.

 

This is an interesting subject but I think would be better in a thread of its own, and this one remain focused on what has unfortunately happened to CTFC and our collective show of support to them.

GA

 

 

I knew it !!! I could tell you were in the Forces from the knowledge your comments conveyed over to everyone.

 

So GA lets waste time and expense also on the teachers addressing this problem in a nicey, nicey appraoch shall we, do their term then laugh back in the face, then carrying on doing what they did to cause suffering to good, honest, honourable home folk. So GA all those looters should go to a repremand school (or whatever you feel it is) learn to be good boys, slap on the wrist and go on your way remembering now to stay out of trouble ! ....sorry GA but please give me a break.......you should be Prime Minister

Edited September 19, 2011 by NICE GUY

[Gluck_ab]

NG

 

I think you're trivialising the subject now and over-simplifying the various ways in which such behaviour may be dealt with.

 

All my arguments on this subject remain the same - ultimately they relate to cause and effect. Addressing the latter is important but not at the expense of the former which are fundamental.

 

I think we should agree to disagree so that this thread and our support to CTFC is not hijacked by this separate debate.

 

GA

[NICE GUY]

NG

 

I think you're trivialising the subject now and over-simplifying the various ways in which such behaviour may be dealt with.

 

All my arguments on this subject remain the same - ultimately they relate to cause and effect. Addressing the latter is important but not at the expense of the former which are fundamental.

 

I think we should agree to disagree so that this thread and our support to CTFC is not hijacked by this separate debate.

 

GA

 

GA, all my arguments on this subject remain the same as well. All I am saying is I do not think the nicey, nicey, softly, softly approach to these scum, looters is the right way, they have caused so much harm to innocent hard working people for their own joy and gain instead of working for it..... do you honestly thing these type of people care and have any guilt ?,,,,,,,, behave GA if there were riots tomorrow, they would do exactly the same provided they are not in prison that is !

[CTS]

I don't know what the answer is to combat these scumbags. Its at times like this I wish certain aspects of Islamic culture could be integrated into British culture. Like Sharia law where theft and looting can ultimately result in having ones hand amputated. That would make a few people think twice.

 

The news that I have heard so far that the fruit machine was vandalised, a safe was broken into and money that has not been banked yet has been stolen. a fair amount of alcohol and an LCD TV screen have all disappeared as well. If you tot everything up including repairs to damage caused it could cost the club financially up to £5k

Edited September 19, 2011 by CTS

[NICE GUY]

I don't know what the answer is to combat these scumbags. Its at times like this I wish certain aspects of Islamic culture could be integrated into British culture. Like Sharia law where theft and looting can ultimately result in having ones hand amputated. That would make a few people think twice.

 

The news that I have heard so far that the fruit machine was vandalised, a safe was broken into and money that has not been banked yet has been stolen. a fair amount of alcohol and an LCD TV screen have all disappeared as well. If you tot everything up including repairs to damage caused it could cost the club financially up to £5k

 

Altho' this is not the answer, I must assume and hope that Camberley are insured. That's what these scum think and say, well its not their loss they should be insured !

 

5K ! .... shameful ..... all items now sold already I bet !

 

But if they get caught, lets say to them 'you shouldn't do things like that', a slap wrist, get a guilt complex and don't do it again ! It does my head in, our society is so nice, no wonder these scum do it 'cos they KNOW they get away with a telling off/warning, maybe a few hours Community Service they just laugh in the face of our justice system, they get 9-10-11 year olds to do the crime 'cos they can't go to prison.......we are so nice ah bless !

 

Thats it ! Thankyou CTS that's what I was thinking of Sharia Law, which I understand is used in the Arabic countries, now that would certainly make these scum think again.....

[JeffB]

I don't know what the answer is to combat these scumbags. Its at times like this I wish certain aspects of Islamic culture could be integrated into British culture. Like Sharia law where theft and looting can ultimately result in having ones hand amputated. That would make a few people think twice.

 

The news that I have heard so far that the fruit machine was vandalised, a safe was broken into and money that has not been banked yet has been stolen. a fair amount of alcohol and an LCD TV screen have all disappeared as well. If you tot everything up including repairs to damage caused it could cost the club financially up to £5k

 

Altho' this is not the answer, I must assume and hope that Camberley are insured. That's what these scum think and say, well its not their loss they should be insured !

 

5K ! .... shameful ..... all items now sold already I bet !

 

But if they get caught, lets say to them 'you shouldn't do things like that', a slap wrist, get a guilt complex and don't do it again ! It does my head in, our society is so nice, no wonder these scum do it 'cos they KNOW they get away with a telling off/warning, maybe a few hours Community Service they just laugh in the face of our justice system, they get 9-10-11 year olds to do the crime 'cos they can't go to prison.......we are so nice ah bless !

 

Thats it ! Thankyou CTS that's what I was thinking of Sharia Law, which I understand is used in the Arabic countries, now that would certainly make these scum think again.....

its a real shame that we have to be talking like this on a football forum. we should be telling our MP's. mind you they tried to get tough with the rioters. until all the do gooders came out of the woodwork. i done 7 years in the army yes this would probably be hard on these people, but im not sure it would stop there behaviour. GOOD LUCK TO ALL AT CAMBERLEY.

[Don't Blame Me]

I don't know what the answer is to combat these scumbags. Its at times like this I wish certain aspects of Islamic culture could be integrated into British culture. Like Sharia law where theft and looting can ultimately result in having ones hand amputated. That would make a few people think twice.

 

The news that I have heard so far that the fruit machine was vandalised, a safe was broken into and money that has not been banked yet has been stolen. a fair amount of alcohol and an LCD TV screen have all disappeared as well. If you tot everything up including repairs to damage caused it could cost the club financially up to £5k

 

So that they can then claim incapacity benefits as well?

 

Flippancy aside, this is another example where society is reaping the "benefits" of mistakes and bad judgements made 20-30 years ago. Camberley Town IS my local club and this sort of incident saddens me. No doubt the perpetrators, if apprehended, will get a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again.

[TRS]

Very sorry and angry to hear this. As NG said, we've had the Sandhurst stand set on fire and Dorking's changing rooms vandalised in the last few months. I can only hope that whoever did this suffers similar damage to their own property one day. Tossers!

[VPCTFC]

Thanks for your thoughts people but can I just point out all this [censored] about National Service and the birch and hanging or whatever is a waste of time.

This wasn't a bunch of kids on a vandalism spree, this was professional burglars targeting certain things within the club. The clubhouse isn't wrecked but things have been stolen.

I won't go into details about how they got in, what they've taken and what they missed as that would be giving too much away but, to be honest, it could have been a lot worse than what it was.

We suffered numerous break-ins during the 80's but last night's was the first we've had for at least 10 years thanks to various measures we now have in place.

Ironically the club is sponsored by Knight Security this season and they will be coming in and the club will be having a security overhaul during the next few days but no club cann ever be 100% secure against the most committed burglars.

[Big J R]

I think everything that can be said, has been above.

 

Unfortunately, the police do not seem to see this sort of crime as major these days.

 

Insurance is all well and good, but after claiming, just watch your next premium shoot through the roof. I'm afraid it is now a 'no-win' situation !