Molesey V Windsor

[Staines-upon-Thames Rebel]

Windsor Sec I agree it is good to see the that the new club set up has bought out the best in the players spirit - its great to see the player loyalty to the highest bidder.

[NICE GUY]

Did someone from the Windsor board say at the beginning of the season, that there was little or no money for the players and management budget... mmmmnnnnnn fibber ?

 

No they most certainly did not say anything of the sort, a budget was agreed and will be adhered to so when players arrive others will leave to balance the books.

 

Oh by the way I was right, was talking with someone this morning and rumour has it that Scott has signed another 1-2 players which all will be revealed this weekend if Windsor manager/board wish to tell their fans .................. you heard it here first guys.........!

 

Keith Scott has openly said in the local papers that he needs to find a few more players yet [don't forget he only started assembling a squad during the first week in July] and, as I've said previously, announcements will only be made once the registration of the player is finalised as we don't do 'Rumour'.

 

As for conjecture about who earns what it will have to remain as conjecture as the club will certainly not discuss the contents of any private arrangements between itself and indivduals on a public forum [and rightly so!].

 

What I will state as fact though is that a number of players are earning quite a bit less than they were at a higher level simply because they have 'bought in' to the new concept and plans for the new club - loyalty isn't dead yet !

 

 

Windsor Sec. if and when I get time, I will look up and find the post about your player/management budget being little to nothing ?

 

I am not naive to think that Windsor would reveal what their players and management earn, and what the Windsor budget is, but when you read such things how small the budget is it is somewhat misleading and untruthful and naturally, players will take a cut to play in a lower division........ but have they ?

[mattwefc]

re rother, with regards to homework: i was getting at the fact that a manager should do background study of the sorts of teams we could play and the way they play. don't get me wrong im not expecting scott to study every team in detail as that won't happen at this level but to me there seems a basic lack of understanding throughout the club about how teams in the ccl set up and play. shown by the constant tinkering of formations and general set up of the side. to me it's as though no one at the club has ever watched football at the level at which we are now playing!

 

back near the beginning it was said "that the new side would be capable of holding it's own in the league above" and having seen what i have so far this season, and by knowing the sorts of sides in the league above i dont think this is anywhere close to being achieved. i DON'T care about what the budget is, and personally don't see why anyone else should either but by simply being realistic it suggests it must be significant if it is funding a side which is capable of playing a level higher.

 

as for the comments about scott only having a month to generate a squad, dave mudge did exactly the same last season, and formed a side that held it's own in the premier division, and would not have been relegated even with the points total amassed by february. therefore it is not an excuse.

[NICE GUY]

Matt, sorry I have to disagree to some extent.

 

It does happen Matt at this level, but it's down to man power and possibly cost. Scott has or should have a few scouts working for Windsor to look over future opposition ? If not and being new to the CCL that in my eyes is a failing and should be rectified, 'cos the reality of all this is that Windsor and possibly the management may have little or no knowledge of the CCL and that to me would be the utmost importance, 'cos any information is good information when used in the right context

 

Comment '' that the new side would be capable of holding it's own in the league above'' this should be true with Windsors budget no doubt, infact in my experience Windsor would/should be challenging for Ryman Div.1 / Southern League Div.1 play-offs but it doesn't always work that way. In the CCL money is not or only little is available to most clubs for players bar those already mentioned (ie) Guildford, Camberley, Badshot Lea, Egham so one has to look at the players selected 'cos it doesn't always go right if you have a higher level player playing in a league below, and going on Windsor bunch of results so far has shown this BUT I will admit that the ''so called'' money clubs are always there or thereabouts at the end of the season for example previous CCL champions ! It may take time for current squad to get used to the CCL but if promotion is the managers brief then they better get cracking, as only one team gets promoted and the CCL Premier is difficult league to get out of.

 

So one may ask, is the money being used wisely on players ? ....only Windsor FC will know ! You know the saying, there are players who will get you out of the Championship but won't necessarily do your team any good should you get promted to the Barclays Premier !

 

There is nothing on this post which is detrimental to Windsor FC infact I hope that the above wiil be of some assistance to them.

Edited September 5, 2011 by NICE GUY

[Rother]

Hmm, seems like an awful lot of guesswork going on here.

 

Just because Windsor haven't started as well as people might have hoped, it doesn't mean to say that scouting / background knowledge of the league and what is required to succeed is weak.

 

Maybe you guys have managed at this level yourselves but it seems ridiculous to suggest that Scott doesn't know what he's doing when he actually won a league at similar level only 2 seasons ago.

[mattwefc]

don't get me wrong here, the comment regarding looking at the league is no way a dig at the current management staff. i was putting forward an observation whereby i believe there is a distinct lack of understanding about the ccl. as you rightly point out, i think the club should see it as a failing, if no information exists.

 

vast differences exist between now and 2 years ago. when wefc won the south and west div 1 we had failed to be promoted the season before, and thus knew what to expect from the majority of sides. to keith scotts credit he put together a side at that stage that proved itself to be good enough by winning the title. that side had a solid midfield, didnt concede goals and created chances playing good fast flowing passing football.

 

i dont expect the same from this side just yet, but i would have expected the signs of that to continue, scott build from the back last time with the defence being the priority, but this season goals are being conceded but more worringly the opposition are getting a lot of chances. we created against dorking and on another day would have scored, but on another day dorking could have scored several with the chances they had. its the concession of so many goal scoring opportunities that scares me. as for scoring goals, o'toole will score, as will porter, jeffers and seedel when hes fit so im not too worried.

 

adapting to this league will take time, but the performances are what matters if the club is too attract more fans, after all people are more likely to flock to watch a winning team ahead of one that struggles. i'm no manager, as you try to suggest, but i would like to think that a month into the season would see a side on the pitch that would be mostly the same as the side that finished the season next may barring injuries etc.

 

i voiced my concerns over the way we have started this league, purely in the hope that it may have an effect. i hope it does as i want to watch a side playing for the shirt again with a passion and a will to win that seems to be lacking at the moment.

 

hopefully we can get a new cup run going on saturday and then hit the ground running in the league. i don't expect to go up this season but we should be competing to be in the top 5!

[Calamity Dave]

The defence is being criticised in these posts and yet we have the 3rd best GA record in the league behind Hanworth and South Park!! Goals for are the issue with the 4th worst record but as Matt says I am sure that with O Toole/Porter/Jeffers ( all of whom are have been carrying injuries and are out) they will score goals.

[Rother]

Re the defence - I think a fitter more mobile Rt back is all that is required. (No disrespect to DT, I'm sure he's carrying an injury at the moment - we just have nobody who can fill in there readily.)

[Chrismb]

I would agree on the right back position as a weakness.Dave is an experienced defender,yet lacks pace in my opinion as does Fergus at centre-back.I dont know if its a fitness issue but its weak in these areas.Kyle has had to clear up quite a lot and seems a well accomplished young player.But I am sure if the aforementioned new players are defenders,then its on Keiths mind as well that we have to get a stronger defence together.

I reaaly dont think we are that far off a decent enough squad to be honest to challenge for at least a top 5 place.

A run in the FA Vase starting Saturday would be nice as it earns the club money as well as excites us,although the opposition Saturday looks a tough one.

[Don't Blame Me]

In defence of the defence... just how many goals have we conceded this season? I accept that we have only played 5 games but even so. I am not worried at this stage especially as the phrase "work in progress" very much springs to mind.

[Big J R]

In defence of the defence... just how many goals have we conceded this season? I accept that we have only played 5 games but even so. I am not worried at this stage especially as the phrase "work in progress" very much springs to mind.

 

 

Windsor 4 0 3 1 3 4 -1 3

 

 

OK, you've got plenty of games in hand.

Edited September 8, 2011 by Big J R

[mattwefc]

it must be remembered that we have played less games than other teams so it is an unfair comparison to compare our backline with the others in the league. as i said early my concern thus far is the fact that there have been so many goal scoring opportunities for the opposition in the games. i think it's only fair to say that we will come across a team with a striker that knows where the goal is and when that happens we could be in trouble! we didnt just not concede goals when we were in the s+w but we didnt give up many opportunities either. it is that fact that concerns me!

[Calamity Dave]

Matt- one or two games will not amke an outlandish difference to the stats as i would be surprised to see highly differential scores? You must also recall in the first season in the SW with the current mgt team, we did concede lots of goals ( bracknell, truro, afc Hayes) whilst they were going out to strengthen- which they did and it resulted in finishing eighth, winning the B&B and then of course the league.

 

My point is that all the above took effectively a season and a half after having put up with Simon Lane for how long? We have had this team for eight weeks or so- give it a chance.

[sparksy]

Tomorrows game will be a test though! Oxford City Nomads are currently top of the Hellenic Premier and have scored 24 goals in 7 games! They've scored 5 goals twice and 4 goals on 3 occasions!!!

[mattwefc]

calamitydave- i've watched almost 15 years of football at this level and ive seen issues like this so many times it pains me! those of us that have watched windsor for a long time dont want the same basic aspects to ruin the chances of the team. our success throughout the years has been built on a solid foundation and like i said, a striker that can finish would relish playing against our back four currently, because he would know he'd likely have 3 or 4 or more chances to score.

 

and enough with "this teams only been together 8 weeks" it's boring. the squad from last season was a lot more solid than the current one and a lot more balanced. and before the comments come out about that side being 2 leagues above, it should therefore be easier to make a solid and balanced side at ccl level.

[Rother]

Why should it be so much easier when the budget is so much reduced?

[sparksy]

Budget so much reduced?????

[NICE GUY]

Budget so much reduced?????

 

Ssssssshhhh Sparksy now, now ........lol !

[NICE GUY]

it must be remembered that we have played less games than other teams so it is an unfair comparison to compare our backline with the others in the league. as i said early my concern thus far is the fact that there have been so many goal scoring opportunities for the opposition in the games. i think it's only fair to say that we will come across a team with a striker that knows where the goal is and when that happens we could be in trouble! we didnt just not concede goals when we were in the s+w but we didnt give up many opportunities either. it is that fact that concerns me!

 

Matty, you are correct. Let me remind you of the Molesey game, on how many chances Molesey missed !

 

Let me remind you Windsor scored 7 goals.....6 from O'Toole without him (injury, suspension) where's the goals coming from ?

[Calamity Dave]

One league in 26 years and one cup in twenty- what success? Yes the championship team that SCOTTY put together didnt conced goals- eventually or do you just chose what you want to ignore? Of those players- One had played at a much better and higher level, one is playing Ryman Premier, One Southern Premier and one Blue Square!!

 

Its easier at CCL? Who are you kidding? Quite simply players dont always want to play at CCL level because they PERCEIVE its a lower standard. I dont necessarily agree and think the top teams would easily hold their own in the CCL.

 

Just because you find the truth boring - it doesnt stop being the truth- so give people a chance. I am sure that we all expect the same and you either trust the management or you dont. Which is it? Nice Guy- you also conveniently forget the amount of chances that Windsor missed that night- I can only speculate as to why that is at best convenient.