Budgets

[powelly]

£3000 a week at Crawley? That's possible.

In 2009 the Barnet chairman gave an interview:.

 

How do our wage and transfer budgets compare to those of other League 2 clubs? Can you give us any details about the size of our wage and transfer budgets? The average squad budget in League Two is about £1 million. Ours is about three quarters of that. Nowadays in football you don't have a transfer budget as such; instead you have a budget that covers any spending on the squad. That budget includes spending on wages, signing-on fees, agent's fees, salaries, bonuses, relocation monies, loyalty fees, and so on. It's not just the transfer fee that you have to pay for a player; it's the whole lot that gets taken into account.

 

I told you the average League 2 budget and I told you ours – there are clubs such as Bradford who are spending over £2 million on their squads. Peterborough and MK Dons, when they went up, both had squad budgets of over £2 million. And here's us on three quarters of a million.

 

http://www.bfcsa.co....interview_1.htm

 

Aldershot revealed their squad budget was £1.2 million at the time. That's £23000 a week based on a 52 year week. I presume contracted players get paid for a 52 week year. Even without all the agents fees and other costs that's a nice little earner for the players.

 

 

 

Interesting to read Jack Midson's blog following his signing for AFC Wimbledon. He says that Wrexham offered him "a salary much larger than what Wimbledon have offered, along with a signing-on fee and relocation fee."

 

Yes, that's Wrexham who had to pay an outstanding HMRC tax bill (at the last minute) to be allowed into the play-offs. Wrexham, who had a transfer embargo in the latter part of the season. Wrexham, who are apparently in a lot of debt as they don't get break even attendances etc.

http://theseventytwo...-afc-wimbledon/

Which just illustrates that clubs don't appear to be learning.....

 

 

Of course they don't TRS. If you haven't read it already, you should read Adie Britton's (Bath City Manager and interim Chairman) interview in the Non League Paper from yesterday. He's a successful businessman in his own right and has made some really excellent points - one about regionalisation of League 2 and Conference National makes total sense, then making the next step down four divisions (North, South, East and West). In the current climate it makes a lot of sense.

 

I heard from an extremely reliable source that a local League Two side's main sponsor is seriously considering NOT renewing his deal as the last lot of money went on paying off the director's loans that had outstanding. He also said that if they carry on as they are they will be in administration during 2011/12.

 

The problem is the Chairman/Directors, not the managers or players. The managers will always spend the money they're given - and ask for more - and the players will always take it. It needs some tougher people who run the clubs, not some fools with their heads in the clouds thinking they can win this or that - they need to know their clubs level.

 

Kedwell to Gillingham?? Apparently he was a boyhood fan of the Gills? Saying that, he was only going going to play for one club (AFC) two weeks ago!

[VPCTFC]

A couple of local clubs are brave enough to publish their accounts online. Farnborough did it a week or so ago. The accounts published go up to the end of June 2010. They posted a net loss of £122000 in 2009-10. The season before the loss was £240000. Salaries and wages for the last year were £372000 but that'll cover everyone at the club including bar staff etc. as they only have one set of accounts for the whole thing (it appears).

Sutton United have published their accounts for the last seven years on their website http://www.suttonuni...o_accounts.html

The football club themselves are doing alright. They lost £6000 in 2009-10 but made a profit of £14000 the year before. Their player's and manager's wages in 2009-10 were £120000.

The 'stadium club' part of the club are making quite healthy profits each year so it can be done if clubs try hard enough.

Edited June 20, 2011 by VPCTFC

[TRS]

Of course they don't TRS. If you haven't read it already, you should read Adie Britton's (Bath City Manager and interim Chairman) interview in the Non League Paper from yesterday. He's a successful businessman in his own right and has made some really excellent points - one about regionalisation of League 2 and Conference National makes total sense, then making the next step down four divisions (North, South, East and West). In the current climate it makes a lot of sense.

 

I heard from an extremely reliable source that a local League Two side's main sponsor is seriously considering NOT renewing his deal as the last lot of money went on paying off the director's loans that had outstanding. He also said that if they carry on as they are they will be in administration during 2011/12.

 

The problem is the Chairman/Directors, not the managers or players. The managers will always spend the money they're given - and ask for more - and the players will always take it. It needs some tougher people who run the clubs, not some fools with their heads in the clouds thinking they can win this or that - they need to know their clubs level.

 

Kedwell to Gillingham?? Apparently he was a boyhood fan of the Gills? Saying that, he was only going going to play for one club (AFC) two weeks ago!

 

Haven't got round to reading that as yet. I do rate Britton though, he's done wonders at Bath especially last season in the Conf National to finish best part time club and making some shrewd signings this summer.

 

Regards Kedwell, who knows but would like it done and dusted sharpish. Wtih Kaid Mohammed joining Cheltenham today, when Kedwell goes it leaves us with one striker - the aforementioned Mr Midson! Panic has already set in on our forum, although it doesn't take much!

[Terrence Collina]

Of course they don't TRS. If you haven't read it already, you should read Adie Britton's (Bath City Manager and interim Chairman) interview in the Non League Paper from yesterday. He's a successful businessman in his own right and has made some really excellent points - one about regionalisation of League 2 and Conference National makes total sense, then making the next step down four divisions (North, South, East and West). In the current climate it makes a lot of sense.

 

I heard from an extremely reliable source that a local League Two side's main sponsor is seriously considering NOT renewing his deal as the last lot of money went on paying off the director's loans that had outstanding. He also said that if they carry on as they are they will be in administration during 2011/12.

 

The problem is the Chairman/Directors, not the managers or players. The managers will always spend the money they're given - and ask for more - and the players will always take it. It needs some tougher people who run the clubs, not some fools with their heads in the clouds thinking they can win this or that - they need to know their clubs level.

 

Kedwell to Gillingham?? Apparently he was a boyhood fan of the Gills? Saying that, he was only going going to play for one club (AFC) two weeks ago!

 

Haven't got round to reading that as yet. I do rate Britton though, he's done wonders at Bath especially last season in the Conf National to finish best part time club and making some shrewd signings this summer.

 

Regards Kedwell, who knows but would like it done and dusted sharpish. Wtih Kaid Mohammed joining Cheltenham today, when Kedwell goes it leaves us with one striker - the aforementioned Mr Midson! Panic has already set in on our forum, although it doesn't take much!

 

Might have to coax John Fashanu out of retirement

[NCEL fan]

Just a few figures from north of the Watford gap

 

Conf North team I know paid about £6k a week on the playing budget last year and were probably about 4th or 5th biggest payers.

 

Evo Stik North team started 2009/10 at 2k a week and ended up paying £250 a week to kids when they ran out of cash/decided they had nothing to play for - probably bottom half in terms of budgets at the start.

 

One NCEL club paid about £500 a week in total last year and finished above Scarborough who reportedly paid out £2k a week. There were one or two sides at the bottom paying expenses only.

 

10 years ago, Alfreton reportedly paid £2k a week in the NCEL (was actually step 4 then) - I know that wasn't far off as their striker was on 300 basic.

 

Accy Stanley paid one striker £650 a week when they won the Unibond (again, pre-Conf Nth/South, so step 2).

 

Most of the above is from players/coaches - I'd allow for "VAT" but they are roughly accurate I reckon. It occurs to me that money in non league is probably about the same as it was 10 years ago, certainly at step 3 and below. There are still teams with big backers who pay double what most pay, and money changes hands at some ridiculously low levels of the non league game. There are also those who pay a modest amount to mostly local lads and can still mix it with the big boys on the back of team spirit, good management and a family feel about the club.

 

Guernsey aren't paying a penny to anyone other than the opposition next year - it will be interesting to see if they can mix it with sides that do pay.

[Agent Number 1]

We won Division 1 a couple of seasons ago, without paying players, and survived (actually did better than expected), in the Premier Division last season - again without paying players - so it definitely can be done.

 

I understand that Mole Valley are paying players this season

[NICE GUY]

We won Division 1 a couple of seasons ago, without paying players, and survived (actually did better than expected), in the Premier Division last season - again without paying players - so it definitely can be done.

 

I understand that Mole Valley are paying players this season

 

Oops Briggers, is that true ?.......if so, I refer to my comments on the same thread..........

[Redrup No2]

We got told were getting paid this year at lammas, which is exciting and hopefully will attract some new blood!!

[Molly11]

We're not getting paid, but we did get a £100 each for our little Fa & Vase Cup runs which was nice. Also 3k been spent on the pitch so far and looks lovely with all this sun and rain :dance (2):

[Non League Nigel]

We got told were getting paid this year at lammas, which is exciting and hopefully will attract some new blood!!

 

Just a question but how do you guys afford it. Ground share and playing players. Plus your bar revenue must be down due to being at Ashford.

[Redrup No2]

We're not getting paid, but we did get a £100 each for our little Fa & Vase Cup runs which was nice. Also 3k been spent on the pitch so far and looks lovely with all this sun and rain :dance (2):

Well we had that Royal Wedding weekend which was a massive success and believe made good money from it!! If that aint the reason then I don't know!!!