Moral Dilemma

[NICE GUY]

Krooner,wasn't having a dig at any particular club,just a generalisation.I run a small business and wouldn't dream of giving credit to a football club

Appreciate that EU. We got the cheque and then delivered the services only for the cheque to be represneted and then bounce. So we didnt really give them credit but we didnt actually get cleared funds. We were too trusting and I advised the people here that they should actually get cleared funds first.

 

 

KROONZZZZZ, SOUNDS LIKE THE JOB TERMS WAS A ''CASH/CHEQUE ON DELIVERY'' SO IN THEORY NO CREDIT GIVEN.

 

TO ISSUE A CHEQUE KNOWING THAT IT WOULD BOUNCE TO RECEIVE DELIVERY IS FRAUDULENT !

 

I AM LED TO BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN TAKE THE CLUB TO COURT, IF THEY HAVE NO MONEY, THE COURT CAN INSTRUCT THAT GOODS CAN BE TAKEN FROM THE CLUB TO COVER THE AMOUNT OUTSTANDING, VERY MUCH LIKE DOMESTIC ACTION SAY IF YOU DON'T PAY ANY COUNCIL TAX, THE DEBT COLLECTERS WILL TAKE PRODUCTS WORTHY TO PAY THE AMOUNT DUE.

Edited June 10, 2011 by NICE GUY

[tempestward]

Kroons,

 

The club have had from your company goods and/or services for which they presumably knew they did not have the financial resources to pay you. This is presumably how clubs get in Windsor levels of debt, little amounts being put to one side and then building up. I have not read all the posts on this thread but can you be sure that you are the only company to be unpaid by this club? I'm a civil servant, not an accountant, but it is clear to me that consideration of the "non league family" is utterly irrelevant. They don't pay your wages. What would happen to you if your company knew you had turned a blind eye to this? I bet your line manager would have a right old go at you!!!

[johnnojudo]

Krooner owns the company.

 

He runs a burger stall and an ice cream van

Edited June 10, 2011 by johnnojudo

[Yossa Hughes]

Krooner owns the company.

 

He runs a burger stall and an ice cream van

In which case Jonno its clear were the blame lies.

If Kroons is prepared to except a cheque for 3 ice creams and a hot dog then more fool him !

[Teflon]

Surely the County F.A.'s have no jurisdiction over Clubs bouncing cheques.This is surely a Civil Matter?

 

They can suspend a player if his Club can prove a player owes them money, they can suspend a Club if the Club owes the County FA. Haven't heard of them having any jurisdiction over Clubs that default with other 3rd parties. How would the County FA know that the debt is genuine?

 

 

They can suspend a club that owes another club money, just because this is owed to a company can't see it being any different.

 

Suspend the club & the monie owed will be paid !!

 

 

Not seen a better suggestion yet

[Green_Fingers]

Surely the County F.A.'s have no jurisdiction over Clubs bouncing cheques.This is surely a Civil Matter?

 

They can suspend a player if his Club can prove a player owes them money, they can suspend a Club if the Club owes the County FA. Haven't heard of them having any jurisdiction over Clubs that default with other 3rd parties. How would the County FA know that the debt is genuine?

 

 

They can suspend a club that owes another club money, just because this is owed to a company can't see it being any different.

 

Suspend the club & the monie owed will be paid !!

 

 

Not seen a better suggestion yet

 

FA can only enforce "Football Related" debts as defined below:

 

Rule 15 of the FA’s Memorandum ofProcedures

 

Football Debt Recovery

 

“Limitedto £50 minimum total claim, except for the recovery of Disciplinary Monies.

 

15.1 Associations are required to operate asystem to collect football debts on behalf of Affiliated Clubs, Affiliated Leagues and Other Associations. Associations cannot use their football debtrecovery system in respect of under 18 players of teams participating in under18 competitions, but may do so in respect of any adult Club Official of anysuch team’s Club.

 

15.2 Save for disciplinary fines and costs,football debts are defined as those costs where actual monies have beenexpended arising directly from football activity, and as such would include(but not be limited to), match costs (e.g. Match Fees), playing expenses (e.g.pitch hire) and League costs (repair to Cups etc). Incidental costs (e.g. fundraising activities, Club Subscriptions) do not fall within the scope ofFootball Debt Recovery. League fines do not fall within the scope of FootballDebt Recovery where a Club remains in membership of the League to which theyowe money, or disbands without having played a competitive fixture in that Leaguein the season that any fine accrues.

Edited June 10, 2011 by Green_Fingers

[Teflon]

Surely the County F.A.'s have no jurisdiction over Clubs bouncing cheques.This is surely a Civil Matter?

 

They can suspend a player if his Club can prove a player owes them money, they can suspend a Club if the Club owes the County FA. Haven't heard of them having any jurisdiction over Clubs that default with other 3rd parties. How would the County FA know that the debt is genuine?

 

 

They can suspend a club that owes another club money, just because this is owed to a company can't see it being any different.

 

Suspend the club & the monie owed will be paid !!

 

 

Not seen a better suggestion yet

 

FA can only enforce "Football Related" debts as defined below:

 

Rule 15 of the FA’s Memorandum ofProcedures

 

Football Debt Recovery

 

“Limitedto £50 minimum total claim, except for the recovery of Disciplinary Monies.

 

15.1 Associations are required to operate asystem to collect football debts on behalf of Affiliated Clubs, Affiliated Leagues and Other Associations. Associations cannot use their football debtrecovery system in respect of under 18 players of teams participating in under18 competitions, but may do so in respect of any adult Club Official of anysuch team’s Club.

 

15.2 Save for disciplinary fines and costs,football debts are defined as those costs where actual monies have beenexpended arising directly from football activity, and as such would include(but not be limited to), match costs (e.g. Match Fees), playing expenses (e.g.pitch hire) and League costs (repair to Cups etc). Incidental costs (e.g. fundraising activities, Club Subscriptions) do not fall within the scope ofFootball Debt Recovery. League fines do not fall within the scope of FootballDebt Recovery where a Club remains in membership of the League to which theyowe money, or disbands without having played a competitive fixture in that Leaguein the season that any fine accrues.

 

 

Oh well, looks like kroonz will have to send Johnno & the boys round

[Big J R]

Basically, I'm with Teffers on this one. Try every LEGAL option to start with.

 

I also thought issuing a cheque fully knowing there were not funds to cover it was classed as 'gaining a pecuniary advantage', or as we called it in the plod, FRAUD.

 

If all legal options fail, there are several ways to persue the person responsible, but we won't go into that on this forum !!

Edited June 10, 2011 by Big J R

[Krooner]

Watch this space. I will update when anything new comes to light

[Smudge]

Kroons,we await with baited breath the outcome.

[Fat Boy]

No more cheques from 2018

To be honest,the majority of places simply don't take them anymore

 

Most cheques are used to pay local business and personal customers. They are still alive and well. The 2018 date has already been put back twice from 2012 and 2015, because of complaints by the millions that still use them.