BASILDON

[Basil-Don]

i'll be surprised if any man could pull a player from the Basildon Ladies team,the expression 'barking up the wrong tree' springs to mind.

[Eastside Urchin]

They turn that way after a night with enrico apparently!

[Smudger]

It is amazing that a large town like Basildon, with a sizable catchment area doesn't have a football club at least in the Ryman North.

 

Ideally Basildon should have a community stadium, which could incorporate mens senior football, ladies football, and youths (boys and girls) all under one umbrella organisation. If such a set up could be obtained, then you would think that football in Basildon would thrive.

 

Just had a look at Basildon Ladies website (as mentioned by Penderosa). Their website says that they have just completed a league and cup double, after winning the championship last season. They also say that they have signed two former England internationals, as well as signing players from Millwall straight from the FA Womens Premier League. So, if Basildon Ladies can do it, then I guess that in theory, there is no reason why the Senior mens team can't do it as well. According to Wikipedia, Basildon Ladies will be playing in the fourth tier of ladies football in England next season, just below the likes of MK Dons, Norwich and Crystal Palace. So, to quote Penderosa "what does that tell you about the state of mens football in Basildon".

[slaphead]

It is amazing that a large town like Basildon, with a sizable catchment area doesn't have a football club at least in the Ryman North.

 

Ideally Basildon should have a community stadium, which could incorporate mens senior football, ladies football, and youths (boys and girls) all under one umbrella organisation. If such a set up could be obtained, then you would think that football in Basildon would thrive.

 

Just had a look at Basildon Ladies website (as mentioned by Penderosa). Their website says that they have just completed a league and cup double, after winning the championship last season. They also say that they have signed two former England internationals, as well as signing players from Millwall straight from the FA Womens Premier League. So, if Basildon Ladies can do it, then I guess that in theory, there is no reason why the Senior mens team can't do it as well. According to Wikipedia, Basildon Ladies will be playing in the fourth tier of ladies football in England next season, just below the likes of MK Dons, Norwich and Crystal Palace. So, to quote Penderosa "what does that tell you about the state of mens football in Basildon".

 

 

I like the idea of a community stadium

Edited June 10, 2011 by slaphead

[Basil-Don]

we are a community club,we have youth and vets teams at our place,Basildon Ladies have won league after league because they have had someone ploughing in money,any club can be successful if theres someone prepared to throw enough pound notes at it.

[Smudger]

I can't say that I'm an expert on ladies football, but as far as I was aware no-one paid ladies to play football. Now, I think that the FA's Womens Super League that was launched in April is an attempt to create a professional womens league. Personally, unless the FA agree to subsidise the Womens Super League indefinately, I just don't see it becoming a viable proposition, as rightly or wrongly, the Womens league just doesn't generate enough in the way of crowds or sponsorship to be a stand alone proposition.

 

I would have though that the success that Basildon ladies have had is more likely just down to decent coaching and creating a friendly environment (I' m making the assumption here that lady footballers wouldn't feel comfortable in an aggresive or threatening environment), which in turn has attracted some decent players.

 

Anyway, back to the main point of this thread, there is the potential for Basildon, with its large catchment area, to have a football club playing at a fairly senior non-league standard. Its just a pity that at the moment it doesn't seem like there is anything which is going to happen that will realise this potential.

[WTF]

I can't say that I'm an expert on ladies football, but as far as I was aware no-one paid ladies to play football. Now, I think that the FA's Womens Super League that was launched in April is an attempt to create a professional womens league. Personally, unless the FA agree to subsidise the Womens Super League indefinately, I just don't see it becoming a viable proposition, as rightly or wrongly, the Womens league just doesn't generate enough in the way of crowds or sponsorship to be a stand alone proposition.

 

I would have though that the success that Basildon ladies have had is more likely just down to decent coaching and creating a friendly environment (I' m making the assumption here that lady footballers wouldn't feel comfortable in an aggresive or threatening environment), which in turn has attracted some decent players.

 

Anyway, back to the main point of this thread, there is the potential for Basildon, with its large catchment area, to have a football club playing at a fairly senior non-league standard. Its just a pity that at the moment it doesn't seem like there is anything which is going to happen that will realise this potential.

 

 

Smudger, you are so spot on with your observations, mate, but does it just apply to ladies football? I don't think so. Are the vast majority of men happy with an aggressive or threatening coaching regime or would they rather play somewhere where they are happy and feel wanted and around their mates? Personally, I find being part of something and working with others very rewarding but being shouted at and blamed and bawled out needs to have some big money values attached because it's called MY DAY JOB not my social life!

 

No-one is paying players at Basildon Ladies or 'buying' success. There is a 10 year plan at the club and a lot of good people involved. I'll hold my hand up and say that I've been part of it for the last three seasons and it's been an absolute pleasure because the right people are involved and everyone is pulling in the right direction. With every season there are better players involved but, to cite the Millwall Lionesses involvement last season - we had stepped up a division and were really nervous about the unknown league we entered. Millwall appointed an aggressive manager and many of their ladies became disillusioned. The Ladies coach, who is also the Barking physio was approached by one of his players whose girlfriend was looking to leave Millwall and wanted to find a 'decent' club. She came along for pre-season training then the following week brought another Lioness, Carly and our season changed. As the season unfolded, three more joined the team (two ex-England internationals) and we ended up winning the league and vase. Oh, and Millwall got relegated.....

 

They did not come for money, they came to enjoy their football and feel wanted. This was all based on word of mouth and recommendations but once they joined us, they stayed....

 

Everyone at C&K Basildon Ladies FC is there because they want to be and is enjoying the challenge. Sure, Peter spends an awful lot of money on the annual presentation night but that's up to him - it's his big night and he loves giving out trophies - it makes him and everyone else feel warm and fuzzy inside.

 

Creating the right atmosphere is far more important for building a future than simply throwing money at something - ask Witham and Enfield 1893 (and Stansted!) what they've achieved for quite horrendous amounts of money over the last two seasons then come back to me and say you can buy promotion by throwing money at it?

 

In the last three seasons with the Ladies, I can think of only three players who have left us to move to other clubs, that's something called STABILITY. In the local area of men's non-league football, I can only think of East Thurrock Utd and Concord Rangers and possibly Canvey Island who have had that - there's your problem in a nutshell, nothing to do with cash, just every three to six months all of the Basildon area teams shed their entire playing staff (and maybe coaching staff) and start again, and then wonder why their team is dysfuntional.

 

Alex Ferguson should've been sacked in his first season at Manchester United but they stuck with him...

 

Basildon United have just appointed their sixth manager in five seasons....

 

Bowers & Pitsea FC have the same manager for the third season but the third set of coaches/players in the same period (hopefully this time, eh!)

 

C&K Basidon Ladies have the same manager and coach for the fifth season running....

 

 

 

It's not just about money...

[Eastside Urchin]

In an ideal world it's not about money but even at the lower levels of non league,having that bit of extra money makes all the difference.We can all harp on about how happy players,coaches,managers and stability,quality coaching can help a club and a good manager can spot good players for next to nothing but to go to the next level 99% of the time you need that extra bit of class that comes with a bit of extra wedge.All too often the club that spends that little bit more is the club that's successful

[Basil-Don]

pretty much every season the top three/four teams have the biggest wage bills,i would love to know the names of players who would turn down £100 a week to play at a club so they can remain at a club with no wage bill.

Edited June 12, 2011 by Basil-Don

[Roons]

Teams in the ESL pay £100 per week?!? That's mental. The only players I saw last year that might've been worth it was Michael Beggs and Dwight Gayle. How can teams afford to pay that much money? I certainly wouldn't waste money on a club with no promotion on offer

[Basil-Don]

'Creating the right atmosphere is far more important for building a future than simply throwing money at something - ask Witham and Enfield 1893 (and Stansted!) what they've achieved for quite horrendous amounts of money over the last two seasons then come back to me and say you can buy promotion by throwing money at it?

 

In the last three seasons with the Ladies, I can think of only three players who have left us to move to other clubs, that's something called STABILITY. In the local area of men's non-league football, I can only think of East Thurrock Utd and Concord Rangers and possibly Canvey Island who have had that - there's your problem in a nutshell, nothing to do with cash, just every three to six months all of the Basildon area teams shed their entire playing staff (and maybe coaching staff) and start again, and then wonder why their team is dysfuntional'

 

 

 

err the champions of the ESL had the biggest playing budget,Mens teams in Essex outnumber womens teams 40 to 1 dont you think that may be why they are less prone to move??

[WTF]

'Creating the right atmosphere is far more important for building a future than simply throwing money at something - ask Witham and Enfield 1893 (and Stansted!) what they've achieved for quite horrendous amounts of money over the last two seasons then come back to me and say you can buy promotion by throwing money at it?

 

In the last three seasons with the Ladies, I can think of only three players who have left us to move to other clubs, that's something called STABILITY. In the local area of men's non-league football, I can only think of East Thurrock Utd and Concord Rangers and possibly Canvey Island who have had that - there's your problem in a nutshell, nothing to do with cash, just every three to six months all of the Basildon area teams shed their entire playing staff (and maybe coaching staff) and start again, and then wonder why their team is dysfuntional'

 

 

 

err the champions of the ESL had the biggest playing budget,Mens teams in Essex outnumber womens teams 40 to 1 dont you think that may be why they are less prone to move??

 

And the Champions of the ESL are in what division next year? So where did all that money get them?

[slaphead]

So a permanent ground needs to be found that will need financial backing to get it up to at least Ryman standard with room for improvements. A group of people commited to moving the club forward. A manager with the right backroom staff. Ryman level players that will play ESL football for a year or two who are also commited to moving the club forward. Getting local football fans on board on a regular basis.

 

Have Basildon Council ever shown any interest in being a part of this?

Edited June 12, 2011 by slaphead

[Basil-Don]

So a permanent ground needs to be found that will need financial backing to get it up to at least Ryman standard with room for improvements. A group of people commited to moving the club forward. A manager with the right backroom staff. Ryman level players that will play ESL football for a year or two who are also commited to moving the club forward. Getting local football fans on board on a regular basis.

 

Have Basildon Council ever shown any interest in being a part of this?

 

we have a group of people commited to moving the club forward,theres three of us and were fecking exhausted,stressed out,pi ss poor and running at 100 mph to simply stand still,we are not an 'exclusive' group anyone can join us but it appears that no one wants to.

 

 

 

probably best if i dont comment on Basildon Council.

[Eastside Urchin]

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