Players to go - fan's opinion

[Staines-upon-Thames Rebel]

And in the wider context we had weaker cup runs this season i.e. the FA Cup - 2009/10 knocked out by T&M, this year by the mighty Erith.

 

The decissions on which players should stay should be based on their level of skills, their work rate, their mental attitude to the game, their self discipline, and their ability to work as part of a team. Any one who stays because they are mates with someone but does not deliver the required attributes weakens the team and undermines the management credability.

[3spirit]

I think Martin and Nathan raise interesting points and worthwhile of discussion! Thank God ! LOL ! Perhaps I should add everyone who's posted on this thread raise interesting points,for fear of upsetting someone! [sarcasm ha ha ha!].

 

Most supporters are never happy finishing mid-table unless it's your first season in a new division after getting promotion or if you know the players aren't the best, to compete with the best. Luckily for us,Slough Town FC, is now functioning far better both on and off the pitch since Steve Easterbrook's chairmanship and there's no doubting the pedigree / quality / knowledge and amiable approach, Steve Bateman has brought to the manager's job in his now two and a half seasons. I have no idea about our budget compared with other teams in our division but I think most of us would agree,given our crowd, we must be one of the wealthier clubs in this division, attendance wise.

I certainly feel Steve Bateman was hard done by when he lost Mo Shariff, NBH and Elliot Buchanan for the start of season 2010-11 and new players do need a season to bed down into playing patterns and cohesion to mould a team.

 

Who remembers Darren Anderson's first season playing for us in the Conference?

He was utter crap that first season,even though he was highly rated by Aldershot. He gave a donkey a bad name! However,the 2nd season he was a revelation and went on to be our captain and play numerous games for us. I hope Paul Coyne proves me wrong. I actually think Paul has been excellent in some games this season and when he wants to, is an asset to the team. My opinion,though, is he can also be negative and disrupting to team morale,as can Sean Sonner. IMO to win Ist place in the division, we need a more united team to stick together and play for each other, rather than arguing among their selves.

 

Before this season gets underway,perhaps Steve Bateman should stop announcing in the local newspapers that we are going all out for promotion. As this raises expectation levels and so far, we've come close but are no where near to being champions of this division. Both full seasons we've scrapped into the play-offs and been thoroughly beaten by better sides in them. It's hard to compare but I thought 2009-10 team were better than the 2010-11 side but not with necessarily a better squad.

I do feel that both sides under achieved , to the notion that Steve Bateman puts in supporters heads with his newspaper comments, about Slough being one of the best sides in the league. At this moment, they are not but with the right amount of adjustments and additions, we should certainly be a handful to any of the teams we play.

So come on you,Rebels!

[Ian]

I didn't necessarily agree with naming players to go and stay but think that assessment, 3spirit, is entirely sound (not that you were looking for endorsements from me!).

 

I concur that the previous year we had a better team without necessarily a better squad. The frustrating thing about this current team is the lack of consistency and that's what cost us. On occasions we were utterly brilliant - Biggleswade, Burnham and Daventry away spring to mind. It's fair to say though we never knew which Rebels side would turn up because we had the ability to be pretty terrible also! Actually, thinking about it Chippenham Town in the cup is the best example. Fantastic for 45 minutes and worse than a pub team in the next 45. I'm exaggerating but you get my drift. Whilst it was great on occasions like I mentioned to see us take teams apart it was equally annoying to see us beaten by teams who were nothing more than well organised and who did simple things well.

 

If we can just bring a little bit more consistency then the team doesn't need many changes. Except the major one you mention which is togetherness with each other and we MUST address the discipline issues. If we can do that and add one or two players (please can one be Richard Hayward!) then we should be challenging right at the top.

[3spirit]

I didn't necessarily agree with naming players to go and stay but think that assessment, 3spirit, is entirely sound (not that you were looking for endorsements from me!).

 

I concur that the previous year we had a better team without necessarily a better squad. The frustrating thing about this current team is the lack of consistency and that's what cost us. On occasions we were utterly brilliant - Biggleswade, Burnham and Daventry away spring to mind. It's fair to say though we never knew which Rebels side would turn up because we had the ability to be pretty terrible also! Actually, thinking about it Chippenham Town in the cup is the best example. Fantastic for 45 minutes and worse than a pub team in the next 45. I'm exaggerating but you get my drift. Whilst it was great on occasions like I mentioned to see us take teams apart it was equally annoying to see us beaten by teams who were nothing more than well organised and who did simple things well.

 

If we can just bring a little bit more consistency then the team doesn't need many changes. Except the major one you mention which is togetherness with each other and we MUST address the discipline issues. If we can do that and add one or two players (please can one be Richard Hayward!) then we should be challenging right at the top.

 

 

Naming players aside,I think, Ian , you've summed up the current Slough side perfectly.

[Mr Rebel]

in todays Slough Observer Steve Bateman states that he is trying to convince Steve Perkins AND Dave Woozley to become player-coaches at the club. sounds like Dave Woozley is very interested. seems Alex Brown the 6ft 6in defender will be joining up with the side in preseason

 

there is also the mention that Dave Anderson is almost certainly staying with us which can only be a good thing

[Mark44]

Cant wait till Crawley Green

[staines_rebel_Jr]

If we sign alex brown he sounds like he will be a very good addition to the squad. I personally hope that if perkins and woozley join as coaches that they will also be signed on to be able to play as well as i think that woozley should be in the squad. (from what i saw last season)

 

Is there any news on SImon sweeney as i heard he was considering leaving due to work obligations? as if he does leave then it would be a great shame (but obviously understandable) and we would have to find a new RB.

 

so if Sweeney, Seeby, perkins and woozley (becoming coaches) leave the team then we would only have 1 defender, Murphy (assuming he will be here next season).

I know Logie can play in defence but i would rather have a true defender.

[Mr Rebel]

if they Perkins and Woozley took coaching roles they would still be playing if and when they are needed or at least thats the impression Bateman gives in the paper. not sure how old either are but its not inconceivable that at least 1 of the 2 will be starting regularly still

[staines_rebel_Jr]

Perkins is mid/late 30's and woozley is early 30's. But you would assume as long as they are fit to play then they would be given a chance to play.

[epicrebel]

3spirit---- Your not a Slough Supporter

[3spirit]

3spirit---- Your not a Slough Supporter

 

 

??? .... and you're not a good speller and appear to be a ill-informed, ignorant, illiterate, crackpot !

Edited June 11, 2011 by 3spirit

[epicrebel]

I've Just Proven SUE's point----

 

Can I just ask you 3Spirit how you would feel if someone at your place of work posted on a website who they thought should be got rid of and you were one of them.

And that was something as simple as YOUR NOT A SUPPORTER

 

3spirit---- Your not a Slough Supporter

 

 

??? .... and you're not a good speller and appear to be a ill-informed, ignorant, illiterate, crackpot !

[Mark44]

Ooh checkmate!

[3spirit]

I've Just Proven SUE's point----

 

Can I just ask you 3Spirit how you would feel if someone at your place of work posted on a website who they thought should be got rid of and you were one of them.

And that was something as simple as YOUR NOT A SUPPORTER

 

3spirit---- Your not a Slough Supporter

 

 

??? .... and you're not a good speller and appear to be a ill-informed, ignorant, illiterate, crackpot !

 

What's the point of arguing? You've made up your mind about me. That is your opinion !

[3spirit]

Ooh checkmate!

 

 

Open mind or closed mind?

[3spirit]

As not much is happening on this forum,at the moment, and I'm currently at a loose end, thought I would seek some supporters opinions about who they would release, given the fact that Steve Bateman quoted in a local newspaper, that he would like to add two defenders,a midfielder and a forward to the squad.

I would have said he should have said a goalkeeper, too,if that's true about Richard Hayward coming to pre-season training. I do hope so.

 

So given that information I would think [only my guess,mind] that Mr Bateman and Mr Anderson will know they will need two central defenders being that Chris Seeby has already left and Steve Perkins playing career is nearly over. I'm hoping Steve Perkins will be kept as player/coach, playing as cover and for emergencies. He,in my opinion,would be an asset to our players and management team given his knowledge of the game and teaching ability/cool head . Given John Lawford has left,there is a space to fill.

 

On the midfield front ,as a guess, I think SB and DA will consider getting rid of Adam Logie. I definitely wouldn't do that. I would lose Shaun Byrne,due to his match fitness and re-current injuries.

 

Up front,it's going to be a toss up between Simon Martin and Ben Abbey.This will be dependent on the size of the striker being brought in. IMO I would release Ben Abbey due only to his age and height and the fact that we will keep Danny Burnell and Sean Sonner, and not because he's done anything wrong.

 

Ironically,in an ideal world,though,if I was manager and had the chance to completely overhaul our current squad I would be looking to bring in a goalkeeper,two defenders,two midfielders[one being a holding midfielder and one who is a creative player who could play in the centre or on the right wing] and two proven goalscorers[ one being very tricky with ball skills ie Harry Hunt, and one being a natural target man/holder up of the ball ie Ian Hodges] .

.

So controversially,I would let go Rob Bullivant, Paul Coyne,Sean Sonner,Shaun Byrne,Ben Abbey,Ben Porter..... and with Chris Seeby leaving and Steve Perkins with the coach role. That still leaves a nucleus of a good squad.

 

However, paradoxically,I do agree with Steve Bateman about the need for continuity/stability/co-herence and not needing to change too much for 2011-12 season. In my view, with just the right tinkering we MUST have a chance of getting promotion this year. Only over the forthcoming season will we know if our discipline and players pulling together will justify the faith shown in them.

 

 

Given that this message has caused so much anger and resentment towards me and what I've written, I thought I would re-read it to see if I could have phrased it better. I'm not sure I could have done.

It certanly wasn't mean't to get everyone's backs up. It was just my honest opinion.

What I can't make out, is why is an honest opinion so offensive?

 

We all pay to go to watch Slough Town FC. Now I'm not one of the most vocal of supporters.However, I do try to offer words of encouragement/geeing up to the players. I do NOT shout and swear at the referee,linesman or players but lots of supporters do.

What I'm trying to get at , is Rob Bullivant, Paul Coyne, Sean Sonner, Shaun Byrne , Ben Abbey and Ben Porter have probably been called far worse things on the pitch than what I'm trying [obviously badly ! lol ! ] to relay here.

It is NOT and never was a personal attack on the life of each of these individuals. It was my poorly worded assessment of how I see/view our squad and it's deficiencies. Ben Abbey, Ben Porter and Shaun Byrne, I actually rate as excellent squad players and we're lucky to have them and when in the first 11 can make a difference,when match fit.

 

As for the other three,Paul Coyne and Sean Sonner will still be Slough Town players next year regardless of my opinion. Both are excellent on their day and are assets when their discipline doesn't let them down but to my mind their temperaments can be detrimental to getting a united Slough Town FC and the endeavour of trying to turn our squad into a Championship winning side,not the play-off hopefuls we've become.

As for Rob Bullivant , none of us watching Slough last season can say we saw the best of him. He looks to me, to be short of confidence and perhaps,injuries and his weight are slowing him down. The Windsor fans on their forum rated him highly and they've seen far more of him than I have. My point though,was have we got the time to get Rob Bullivant fit and performing at his best, when currently we really need a proven keeper with no issues. Richard Hayward fits that bill perfectly. Charlie Fanner or Jamie Jackson [if he want's the role] are perfect back up.

 

I hope this message has gone some way of clarifying what I was trying to say. I would like to apologise to all the people who feel offended,if there are any.

[Bernie Gogan]

As not much is happening on this forum,at the moment, and I'm currently at a loose end, thought I would seek some supporters opinions about who they would release, given the fact that Steve Bateman quoted in a local newspaper, that he would like to add two defenders,a midfielder and a forward to the squad.

I would have said he should have said a goalkeeper, too,if that's true about Richard Hayward coming to pre-season training. I do hope so.

 

So given that information I would think [only my guess,mind] that Mr Bateman and Mr Anderson will know they will need two central defenders being that Chris Seeby has already left and Steve Perkins playing career is nearly over. I'm hoping Steve Perkins will be kept as player/coach, playing as cover and for emergencies. He,in my opinion,would be an asset to our players and management team given his knowledge of the game and teaching ability/cool head . Given John Lawford has left,there is a space to fill.

 

On the midfield front ,as a guess, I think SB and DA will consider getting rid of Adam Logie. I definitely wouldn't do that. I would lose Shaun Byrne,due to his match fitness and re-current injuries.

 

Up front,it's going to be a toss up between Simon Martin and Ben Abbey.This will be dependent on the size of the striker being brought in. IMO I would release Ben Abbey due only to his age and height and the fact that we will keep Danny Burnell and Sean Sonner, and not because he's done anything wrong.

 

Ironically,in an ideal world,though,if I was manager and had the chance to completely overhaul our current squad I would be looking to bring in a goalkeeper,two defenders,two midfielders[one being a holding midfielder and one who is a creative player who could play in the centre or on the right wing] and two proven goalscorers[ one being very tricky with ball skills ie Harry Hunt, and one being a natural target man/holder up of the ball ie Ian Hodges] .

.

So controversially,I would let go Rob Bullivant, Paul Coyne,Sean Sonner,Shaun Byrne,Ben Abbey,Ben Porter..... and with Chris Seeby leaving and Steve Perkins with the coach role. That still leaves a nucleus of a good squad.

 

However, paradoxically,I do agree with Steve Bateman about the need for continuity/stability/co-herence and not needing to change too much for 2011-12 season. In my view, with just the right tinkering we MUST have a chance of getting promotion this year. Only over the forthcoming season will we know if our discipline and players pulling together will justify the faith shown in them.

 

 

Given that this message has caused so much anger and resentment towards me and what I've written, I thought I would re-read it to see if I could have phrased it better. I'm not sure I could have done.

It certanly wasn't mean't to get everyone's backs up. It was just my honest opinion.

What I can't make out, is why is an honest opinion so offensive?

 

We all pay to go to watch Slough Town FC. Now I'm not one of the most vocal of supporters.However, I do try to offer words of encouragement/geeing up to the players. I do NOT shout and swear at the referee,linesman or players but lots of supporters do.

What I'm trying to get at , is Rob Bullivant, Paul Coyne, Sean Sonner, Shaun Byrne , Ben Abbey and Ben Porter have probably been called far worse things on the pitch than what I'm trying [obviously badly ! lol ! ] to relay here.

It is NOT and never was a personal attack on the life of each of these individuals. It was my poorly worded assessment of how I see/view our squad and it's deficiencies. Ben Abbey, Ben Porter and Shaun Byrne, I actually rate as excellent squad players and we're lucky to have them and when in the first 11 can make a difference,when match fit.

 

As for the other three,Paul Coyne and Sean Sonner will still be Slough Town players next year regardless of my opinion. Both are excellent on their day and are assets when their discipline doesn't let them down but to my mind their temperaments can be detrimental to getting a united Slough Town FC and the endeavour of trying to turn our squad into a Championship winning side,not the play-off hopefuls we've become.

As for Rob Bullivant , none of us watching Slough last season can say we saw the best of him. He looks to me, to be short of confidence and perhaps,injuries and his weight are slowing him down. The Windsor fans on their forum rated him highly and they've seen far more of him than I have. My point though,was have we got the time to get Rob Bullivant fit and performing at his best, when currently we really need a proven keeper with no issues. Richard Hayward fits that bill perfectly. Charlie Fanner or Jamie Jackson [if he want's the role] are perfect back up.

 

I hope this message has gone some way of clarifying what I was trying to say. I would like to apologise to all the people who feel offended,if there are any.

3Spirit, no issues from me on what you've posted. If you want to comment about a prospective Rebels squad that's fine. Personally I will leave it to the management to determine

the players they want therein. I do have 2 points regarding our team, firstly let's never loose sight of the fact that we don't have masses of cash to splash when building a squad (with our own ground and an income therefrom we should be able spend more on the team) and secondly there is definitely a need for individuals that are able to keep discipline remain focussed and dig deep to pull out results despite it all. Sort that out then we should see ourselves challenging for the title rather than a play off place. Last season's squad was good enough to play at a higher level, but we have to get out of this league and that's what we need to focus on. I can't put up with playing village sides with no support for much longer (no disrespect to them they have earnt the right to be in our league). We're playing at our lowest level for 50 years (Corinthian League circa 1960) and it's time we started our way back to a decent level.

 

I bet there's a few of us supporters who can remember the likes of Staines Town, Maidenhead, Hampton, Braintree, Boreham Wood, Carshalton etc., etc. who we would normally expect to beat, whereas now it's not the case. We still match these clubs in attendances from time to time even though we aren't even playing in Slough. Wouldn't it be great to have 500 - 600 or more watching us take them on again?

[epicrebel]

NO not of you, but your point :-

 

All i'm saying is if you say negative things about people, you're more than likely get the same back. (on or off the pitch)

I've Just Proven SUE's point----

 

Can I just ask you 3Spirit how you would feel if someone at your place of work posted on a website who they thought should be got rid of and you were one of them.

And that was something as simple as YOUR NOT A SUPPORTER

 

3spirit---- Your not a Slough Supporter

 

 

??? .... and you're not a good speller and appear to be a ill-informed, ignorant, illiterate, crackpot !

 

What's the point of arguing? You've made up your mind about me. That is your opinion !

[3spirit]

NO not of you, but your point :-

 

All i'm saying is if you say negative things about people, you're more than likely get the same back. (on or off the pitch)

I've Just Proven SUE's point----

 

Can I just ask you 3Spirit how you would feel if someone at your place of work posted on a website who they thought should be got rid of and you were one of them.

And that was something as simple as YOUR NOT A SUPPORTER

 

3spirit---- Your not a Slough Supporter

 

 

??? .... and you're not a good speller and appear to be a ill-informed, ignorant, illiterate, crackpot !

 

What's the point of arguing? You've made up your mind about me. That is your opinion !

 

Epicrebel,we'll have to agree to disagree on this moot point. I dare say that both of us want the best for Slough Town FC but we obviously view things differently.

I can live with that. I don't agree with you about me being negative towards Slough Town FC. In actual fact, if you've ever read anything on this forum,other than this thread,by me,you may be pleasantly surprised,and I'm still not convinced that my views on the state of the Slough squad is negative.

 

My point of view is to make some changes,to make a better,cohesive team thus making the team have team spirit, pride, sense of fair play and a united front.

 

However,honesty is important to me, so I can't say I'm going to give up being honest, because that is plain daft. Perhaps a tad more tactful might be more apt but then we end up with watered down views.Which isn't really what a forum should be about.

[3spirit]

As not much is happening on this forum,at the moment, and I'm currently at a loose end, thought I would seek some supporters opinions about who they would release, given the fact that Steve Bateman quoted in a local newspaper, that he would like to add two defenders,a midfielder and a forward to the squad.

I would have said he should have said a goalkeeper, too,if that's true about Richard Hayward coming to pre-season training. I do hope so.

 

So given that information I would think [only my guess,mind] that Mr Bateman and Mr Anderson will know they will need two central defenders being that Chris Seeby has already left and Steve Perkins playing career is nearly over. I'm hoping Steve Perkins will be kept as player/coach, playing as cover and for emergencies. He,in my opinion,would be an asset to our players and management team given his knowledge of the game and teaching ability/cool head . Given John Lawford has left,there is a space to fill.

 

On the midfield front ,as a guess, I think SB and DA will consider getting rid of Adam Logie. I definitely wouldn't do that. I would lose Shaun Byrne,due to his match fitness and re-current injuries.

 

Up front,it's going to be a toss up between Simon Martin and Ben Abbey.This will be dependent on the size of the striker being brought in. IMO I would release Ben Abbey due only to his age and height and the fact that we will keep Danny Burnell and Sean Sonner, and not because he's done anything wrong.

 

Ironically,in an ideal world,though,if I was manager and had the chance to completely overhaul our current squad I would be looking to bring in a goalkeeper,two defenders,two midfielders[one being a holding midfielder and one who is a creative player who could play in the centre or on the right wing] and two proven goalscorers[ one being very tricky with ball skills ie Harry Hunt, and one being a natural target man/holder up of the ball ie Ian Hodges] .

.

So controversially,I would let go Rob Bullivant, Paul Coyne,Sean Sonner,Shaun Byrne,Ben Abbey,Ben Porter..... and with Chris Seeby leaving and Steve Perkins with the coach role. That still leaves a nucleus of a good squad.

 

However, paradoxically,I do agree with Steve Bateman about the need for continuity/stability/co-herence and not needing to change too much for 2011-12 season. In my view, with just the right tinkering we MUST have a chance of getting promotion this year. Only over the forthcoming season will we know if our discipline and players pulling together will justify the faith shown in them.

 

 

Given that this message has caused so much anger and resentment towards me and what I've written, I thought I would re-read it to see if I could have phrased it better. I'm not sure I could have done.

It certanly wasn't mean't to get everyone's backs up. It was just my honest opinion.

What I can't make out, is why is an honest opinion so offensive?

 

We all pay to go to watch Slough Town FC. Now I'm not one of the most vocal of supporters.However, I do try to offer words of encouragement/geeing up to the players. I do NOT shout and swear at the referee,linesman or players but lots of supporters do.

What I'm trying to get at , is Rob Bullivant, Paul Coyne, Sean Sonner, Shaun Byrne , Ben Abbey and Ben Porter have probably been called far worse things on the pitch than what I'm trying [obviously badly ! lol ! ] to relay here.

It is NOT and never was a personal attack on the life of each of these individuals. It was my poorly worded assessment of how I see/view our squad and it's deficiencies. Ben Abbey, Ben Porter and Shaun Byrne, I actually rate as excellent squad players and we're lucky to have them and when in the first 11 can make a difference,when match fit.

 

As for the other three,Paul Coyne and Sean Sonner will still be Slough Town players next year regardless of my opinion. Both are excellent on their day and are assets when their discipline doesn't let them down but to my mind their temperaments can be detrimental to getting a united Slough Town FC and the endeavour of trying to turn our squad into a Championship winning side,not the play-off hopefuls we've become.

As for Rob Bullivant , none of us watching Slough last season can say we saw the best of him. He looks to me, to be short of confidence and perhaps,injuries and his weight are slowing him down. The Windsor fans on their forum rated him highly and they've seen far more of him than I have. My point though,was have we got the time to get Rob Bullivant fit and performing at his best, when currently we really need a proven keeper with no issues. Richard Hayward fits that bill perfectly. Charlie Fanner or Jamie Jackson [if he want's the role] are perfect back up.

 

I hope this message has gone some way of clarifying what I was trying to say. I would like to apologise to all the people who feel offended,if there are any.

3Spirit, no issues from me on what you've posted. If you want to comment about a prospective Rebels squad that's fine. Personally I will leave it to the management to determine

the players they want therein. I do have 2 points regarding our team, firstly let's never loose sight of the fact that we don't have masses of cash to splash when building a squad (with our own ground and an income therefrom we should be able spend more on the team) and secondly there is definitely a need for individuals that are able to keep discipline remain focussed and dig deep to pull out results despite it all. Sort that out then we should see ourselves challenging for the title rather than a play off place. Last season's squad was good enough to play at a higher level, but we have to get out of this league and that's what we need to focus on. I can't put up with playing village sides with no support for much longer (no disrespect to them they have earnt the right to be in our league). We're playing at our lowest level for 50 years (Corinthian League circa 1960) and it's time we started our way back to a decent level.

 

I bet there's a few of us supporters who can remember the likes of Staines Town, Maidenhead, Hampton, Braintree, Boreham Wood, Carshalton etc., etc. who we would normally expect to beat, whereas now it's not the case. We still match these clubs in attendances from time to time even though we aren't even playing in Slough. Wouldn't it be great to have 500 - 600 or more watching us take them on again?

 

 

Thanks,Bernie. I don't expect Steve Bateman to take notice of what I say, I was just giving my honest view of the changes I would make,which I hoped would lead to a healthy discussion/debate. I don't expect Slough Town to be winning every week or have these outlandish dreams of playing top Conference football again. Well,definitely not while we haven't a ground and our crowds only average 300.

 

I do, however, in this current Zamaretto Division Central , think we should to be up at the top challenging for automatic promotion. Mainly because that is what Steve Bateman says he wants his team to be doing,when quoted in the Slough Observer and Express.So far, he's accomplished getting us in the play-offs both times under his guidance. As worthy as that is,I still feel that we have some way to go before we are up there vying for 1st place.

 

I was reading the Bedfont website the other day, and was refreshed by how the new manager put over his ideas. He said that Bedfont had 'realistic ambitions'.

Now to me,that was spot on for Bedfont,given the size of the club and their attendances. Bet your life,they will still be a hard team to beat, if the manager gets it right. A good season for them will be top 10 or a great season ,top 7. Slough carry the burden of expectation from the past and the size of the town [not that we've had much help in that way for awhile,however,hurrah! things are changing for the better in that concern] We ought to have 'realistic ambitions' and to my mind that should be to get promoted to either the Zamaretto Premier or the Ryman Premier. Then consolidate till our new ground is well and truly up and running. It is,though,not the end of the world,staying in the Central division.You get loads of derbies and most of the sides are nearby. If we do just want to stay in this division,then I'm surprised we haven't looked at more cost effective youngsters to balance the books.

So with a squad like ours and the rumours you hear of expenditure,the Chairman and the Club,must want what we all want- promotion out of this league.