SSML AGM - Saturday 18 June

[NeutralFan]

i go on holiday friday as well so it will all be out of my hands

Champions - I'm surprised you can just disappear off on holiday on Friday if this is still hanging over the Club's head

 

 

 

 

[bicknell]

i go on holiday friday as well so it will all be out of my hands

Champions - I'm surprised you can just disappear off on holiday on Friday if this is still hanging over the Club's head

 

i am sure if you read my last posts to you i said dont ever mention my club or name again ever again . i never want to hear from you again ok now f/ck off

[BigBoss]

i go on holiday friday as well so it will all be out of my hands

Champions - I'm surprised you can just disappear off on holiday on Friday if this is still hanging over the Club's head

 

Club

One of the many definitions: a group of persons organized for a social, literary, athletic,political, or other purpose

Mobile Phone

a portable telephone

 

 

You can't resist a swipe can you Rhodes. I'm sure that they are working as a club to sort things. These things called phones enable people to talk, wherever they are

 

[bicknell]

i go on holiday friday as well so it will all be out of my hands

Champions - I'm surprised you can just disappear off on holiday on Friday if this is still hanging over the Club's head

 

Club

One of the many definitions: a group of persons organized for a social, literary, athletic,political, or other purpose

Mobile Phone

a portable telephone

 

 

You can't resist a swipe can you Rhodes. I'm sure that they are working as a club to sort things. These things called phones enable people to talk, wherever they are

 

 

well said mate i am not looking forward to my phone bill when i get back lol .

[ref off ref]

If they ever do re-develop at Ford Meadow I'm sure they wouldn't mind Rhodes being buried amongst the foundations....

[Loose]

Horace, given that Tokyngton have been missing in action since the beginning of the year and are intending moving 25 miles away from the community they claim to represent in what way are they NOT a new club?

 

Are the SSML Committee substantively aware that the Tokyngton that featured for some of last season is the same as the club that is proposing taking up a place in next season's SSML Div. 1?

 

Are there any regulations that you are aware of that a club has to fulfill to remain the existing club?

 

Another thing I cant understand is Tokyngton Manor as a club competed last season in a Sunday league, surely that should eradicate any suspension they had with the SSMFL as they still competed last season?! A suspension to me means excatly that they are suspended from taking part in any competition. I do have to say it seems very much to me 'When is a rule not a rule, When it suits the, South Mids'

 

 

It sounds like I'm defending Tik Tok, but I'm not! I'm just stating it as it is! Saturday and Sunday affiliations are separate . They were suspended from playing in the SSML, by the SSML not from all football, which could only have been done by a County FA or the FA..

They had presumably paid all their subs, so were entitled to a place in Div 1 for next season if they had a ground to play on.

 

I truly believe that the SSML "winged it" with their suspension decision last season. If Tik Tok had appealed to the FA, and offered to play all their games away, I believe they would have won.

 

 

 

 

Ok Horace fully understood and accepted, how about the points raised in Loose's post earlier.

 

Perhaps Horace missed these.

[Rhodes]

Or ignored them!

[Horace]

Horace, given that Tokyngton have been missing in action since the beginning of the year and are intending moving 25 miles away from the community they claim to represent in what way are they NOT a new club?

 

Are the SSML Committee substantively aware that the Tokyngton that featured for some of last season is the same as the club that is proposing taking up a place in next season's SSML Div. 1?

 

Are there any regulations that you are aware of that a club has to fulfill to remain the existing club?

 

Another thing I cant understand is Tokyngton Manor as a club competed last season in a Sunday league, surely that should eradicate any suspension they had with the SSMFL as they still competed last season?! A suspension to me means excatly that they are suspended from taking part in any competition. I do have to say it seems very much to me 'When is a rule not a rule, When it suits the, South Mids'

 

 

It sounds like I'm defending Tik Tok, but I'm not! I'm just stating it as it is! Saturday and Sunday affiliations are separate . They were suspended from playing in the SSML, by the SSML not from all football, which could only have been done by a County FA or the FA..

They had presumably paid all their subs, so were entitled to a place in Div 1 for next season if they had a ground to play on.

 

I truly believe that the SSML "winged it" with their suspension decision last season. If Tik Tok had appealed to the FA, and offered to play all their games away, I believe they would have won.

 

 

 

 

Ok Horace fully understood and accepted, how about the points raised in Loose's post earlier.

 

Perhaps Horace missed these.

 

Loose - I'm puzzled as to what I missed? Given that Tik Tok had been voted into the League as members at the start of the 08/09 season, and have not been expelled or been wound up since, how can they not still be members? Playing Sunday football is a complete red herring.

still be members?

 

 

[Loose]

Horace - Well it's more of a question about how you define a club I would have thought despite a convenient difference between folding and taking a suspension that keeps a name alive.

 

Tokyngton Manor, previously Ruislip Manor was based in a community, served a community I suppose, local fans, local players, local club for local people maybe. So in what way are they the same club re-taking up their previous position in a non league division when that club no longer bases itself anywhere near it's "base".

 

Tokyngton Manor describes itself as a "community" club, if it is now going to relocate itself to a new community in what way is it the same club and not the new club? Will the same people now travel 25 miles to follow their local club, will it still serve as an opportunity for young players from the Tokington locality to play football?

 

Or does a club still remain the same club so long as the Chairman or owners remain the same?

 

I'm puzzled too!

[HTFCew]

Horace - Well it's more of a question about how you define a club I would have thought despite a convenient difference between folding and taking a suspension that keeps a name alive.

 

Tokyngton Manor, previously Ruislip Manor was based in a community, served a community I suppose, local fans, local players, local club for local people maybe. So in what way are they the same club re-taking up their previous position in a non league division when that club no longer bases itself anywhere near it's "base".

 

Tokyngton Manor describes itself as a "community" club, if it is now going to relocate itself to a new community in what way is it the same club and not the new club? Will the same people now travel 25 miles to follow their local club, will it still serve as an opportunity for young players from the Tokington locality to play football?

 

Or does a club still remain the same club so long as the Chairman or owners remain the same?

 

I'm puzzled too!

 

Shouldn't that read same person ?

[Horace]

Horace - Well it's more of a question about how you define a club I would have thought despite a convenient difference between folding and taking a suspension that keeps a name alive.

 

Tokyngton Manor, previously Ruislip Manor was based in a community, served a community I suppose, local fans, local players, local club for local people maybe. So in what way are they the same club re-taking up their previous position in a non league division when that club no longer bases itself anywhere near it's "base".

 

Tokyngton Manor describes itself as a "community" club, if it is now going to relocate itself to a new community in what way is it the same club and not the new club? Will the same people now travel 25 miles to follow their local club, will it still serve as an opportunity for young players from the Tokington locality to play football?

 

Or does a club still remain the same club so long as the Chairman or owners remain the same?

 

I'm puzzled too!

 

Loose

 

Yes, it does in my view, if it maintains its affiliation to the County FA and doesn't officially fold.

If a majority of member clubs are so outraged by the reappearance of Tokyngton that they choose to vote against the constitution at the AGM, the likely scenario is that there will be NO constitution agreed then, and a Special General Meeting will have to be convened specifically for the purpose of agreeing same. This might well open a whole new can of worms, with Hoddesdon for one perhaps seeking to sneak a promotion out of the chaos. Winslow might want to push their case for promotion to Div 1 too! Did anyone notice that Kingsbury London TIgers are now plain London Tigers - something they've been trying to do since they pinched Kingsbury Town's place in Step 5? No-one seems too bothered about that, and the fact that they've moved miles away to the Viking Sports Ground (aka the "hidden gem - the very source of the problem over Tik Tok!)

Of course, after an explanation from the chair, there will be a majority vote in favour of the proposed constitution!

 

 

 

[Loose]

Thanks for that Horace I'm sure you are right however since you posted this I wondered what you felt or how you felt it was a debating point and why?

The debating point which has some mileage is whether they should be allowed to play 25 miles away, with no prospect of their own ground!

 

Edited June 7, 2011 by Loose

[BUFC]

Horace - Well it's more of a question about how you define a club I would have thought despite a convenient difference between folding and taking a suspension that keeps a name alive.

 

Tokyngton Manor, previously Ruislip Manor was based in a community, served a community I suppose, local fans, local players, local club for local people maybe. So in what way are they the same club re-taking up their previous position in a non league division when that club no longer bases itself anywhere near it's "base".

 

Tokyngton Manor describes itself as a "community" club, if it is now going to relocate itself to a new community in what way is it the same club and not the new club? Will the same people now travel 25 miles to follow their local club, will it still serve as an opportunity for young players from the Tokington locality to play football?

 

Or does a club still remain the same club so long as the Chairman or owners remain the same?

 

I'm puzzled too!

 

Shouldn't that read same person ?

 

 

i hear there will be mirrors on the terraces so it looks like the attendance is doubled..............

[Horace]

Thanks for that Horace I'm sure you are right however since you posted this I wondered what you felt or how you felt it was a debating point and why?

The debating point which has some mileage is whether they should be allowed to play 25 miles away, with no prospect of their own ground!

 

 

I meant that if there's any room for discussion, it's about permitting such a distant groundshare.

 

 

 

[ref off ref]

Rhodes has put a bid in for the famous North Bank mural Arsenal used when the stand was demolished in their Highbury days.

That'll be say another 10k on the already bursting at the seams attendance....the poor old bobby on a pushbike will have all his Saturday leave cancelled when Tik Tok and their mass following hit town

[britman]

Well good luck to Padbury & full respect for the Chairman for having the balls to back up his plans with hard cash.

On the subject of the landlord at Ford Meadow, shouldn't there be a Fit & Proper persons test to buy sports grounds, as there now is when buying a club. This if anything is far more important at local levels. A sports ground should be a hub of a community & not to be sold off for profit or redevelopment. People like that make me sick. If you have no interest in football, why buy a football ground ???

 

I agree Steve. I do have a question. Who owned Ford Meadow prior to the current landlord?

[syd_lexic]

Rhodes has put a bid in for the famous North Bank mural Arsenal used when the stand was demolished in their

Highbury days.

That'll be say another 10k on the already bursting at the seams

attendance....the poor old bobby on a

pushbike will have all his Saturday leave

cancelled when Tik Tok and their mass

following hit town

 

I scored a penalty In front of the mural at Highbury way back in 1993 !

nice little side footer bottom right hand corner ! : - )

[britman]

Horace - Well it's more of a question about how you define a club I would have thought despite a convenient difference between folding and taking a suspension that keeps a name alive.

 

Tokyngton Manor, previously Ruislip Manor was based in a community, served a community I suppose, local fans, local players, local club for local people maybe. So in what way are they the same club re-taking up their previous position in a non league division when that club no longer bases itself anywhere near it's "base".

 

Tokyngton Manor describes itself as a "community" club, if it is now going to relocate itself to a new community in what way is it the same club and not the new club? Will the same people now travel 25 miles to follow their local club, will it still serve as an opportunity for young players from the Tokington locality to play football?

 

Or does a club still remain the same club so long as the Chairman or owners remain the same?

 

I'm puzzled too!

 

Loose

 

Yes, it does in my view, if it maintains its affiliation to the County FA and doesn't officially fold.

If a majority of member clubs are so outraged by the reappearance of Tokyngton that they choose to vote against the constitution at the AGM, the likely scenario is that there will be NO constitution agreed then, and a Special General Meeting will have to be convened specifically for the purpose of agreeing same. This might well open a whole new can of worms, with Hoddesdon for one perhaps seeking to sneak a promotion out of the chaos. Winslow might want to push their case for promotion to Div 1 too! Did anyone notice that Kingsbury London TIgers are now plain London Tigers - something they've been trying to do since they pinched Kingsbury Town's place in Step 5? No-one seems too bothered about that, and the fact that they've moved miles away to the Viking Sports Ground (aka the "hidden gem - the very source of the problem over Tik Tok!)

Of course, after an explanation from the chair, there will be a majority vote in favour of the proposed constitution!

 

 

Wow, that is a sneaky move!!! Of course, it's one of Rhodes 'contacts. So, no surprise there is no shouting from Cliff himself on that one.

[Rhodes]

So, no surprise there is no shouting from Cliff himself on that one.

Britman - There was yesterday however my post wasn't published for some reason. Kingsbury London Tigers went behind Tokyngton Manor's back in a cloak and dagger fashion to secure the Viking Sports Ground for themselves from the London Playing Fields Foundation so the Chairman had very little time to find an alternative venue for this season, similar in a way to Padbury United's current plight

[Savagebee]

Kingsbury London Tigers went behind Tokyngton Manor's back in a cloak and dagger fashion to secure the Viking Sports Ground for themselves from the London Playing Fields Foundation

 

Have they done any work to the ground have they done it up or any think anyone know ?

 

The last time i was at the Viking Sports Ground was in 2008!

Edited June 9, 2011 by Savagebee