SSML AGM - Saturday 18 June

[Horace]

Earn the right to go up

BigBoss - What on earth are you talking about, Tokyngton Manor were a Division 1 Club when they were suspended for one season

 

I know that it is a slightly different scenario but can you not compare this to Winslow. Why did they have to start back in division 2?

 

Every team that falls out or does not meet the league standards etc. etc. should have to start again from Div 2

 

Because Winslow resigned from the League. It was only because of their long history in the South Midlands League that they were accepted back ahead of other applicants. The FA would not have allowed their inclusion straight back to Div 1. As I have stated several times already, whatever anyone thinks, Tokyngton continued to be members of the League, and had not finished in a relegation spot. The debating point which has some mileage is whether they should be allowed to play 25 miles away, with no prospect of their own ground!

 

 

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong Horace but my understanding is there aren't enough teams with the correct facilities to fill the spots there are in fact teams in Prem and div 1 who remain in danger because the facilties are not up to standard, so I would love to know this wealth of teams we were accepted over. Surely not more clubs playing on park pitches with no ability or aspiration to improve why oh why didn't the league accept them? And what exactly is the rule on groundshare? My understanding is that it must have been in place for a full season. Is there not a rule on distance and area and I would point out that the 25 miles is as the crow fly's not via road!

 

Winslowboy - the "one year" rule about groundsharing is where a club is seeking promotion. It doesn't apply when you are standing still (ie as Tokyngton moving to Amersham). Also if you already have a groundshare but have to move to another groundshare, that doesn't bring in the one year rule (applied to London Lions last season. They played at Broxbourne Borough but only from their acceptance into SSML Div 1. Prior to that they groundshared at St. Albans City)

 

 

 

[Winslow Boy]

Winslow Boy,

 

Why would the Padbury Chairman want to 'buy' Cranfield? Just out of curiosity...

 

Joke mate. Thought I might get a bite from Special one

[Rhodes]

Because Winslow resigned from the League. It was only because of their long history in the South Midlands League that they were accepted back ahead of other applicants. The FA would not have allowed their inclusion straight back to Div 1. As I have stated several times already, whatever anyone thinks, Tokyngton continued to be members of the League, and had not finished in a relegation spot.

Horace - Thanks, the above seems to be going in one ear and out the other doesn't it as it's the third or fourth time you have explained the position

[Winslow Boy]

Earn the right to go up

BigBoss - What on earth are you talking about, Tokyngton Manor were a Division 1 Club when they were suspended for one season

 

I know that it is a slightly different scenario but can you not compare this to Winslow. Why did they have to start back in division 2?

 

Every team that falls out or does not meet the league standards etc. etc. should have to start again from Div 2

 

Because Winslow resigned from the League. It was only because of their long history in the South Midlands League that they were accepted back ahead of other applicants. The FA would not have allowed their inclusion straight back to Div 1. As I have stated several times already, whatever anyone thinks, Tokyngton continued to be members of the League, and had not finished in a relegation spot. The debating point which has some mileage is whether they should be allowed to play 25 miles away, with no prospect of their own ground!

 

 

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong Horace but my understanding is there aren't enough teams with the correct facilities to fill the spots there are in fact teams in Prem and div 1 who remain in danger because the facilties are not up to standard, so I would love to know this wealth of teams we were accepted over. Surely not more clubs playing on park pitches with no ability or aspiration to improve why oh why didn't the league accept them? And what exactly is the rule on groundshare? My understanding is that it must have been in place for a full season. Is there not a rule on distance and area and I would point out that the 25 miles is as the crow fly's not via road!

 

Winslowboy - the "one year" rule about groundsharing is where a club is seeking promotion. It doesn't apply when you are standing still (ie as Tokyngton moving to Amersham). Also if you already have a groundshare but have to move to another groundshare, that doesn't bring in the one year rule (applied to London Lions last season. They played at Broxbourne Borough but only from their acceptance into SSML Div 1. Prior to that they groundshared at St. Albans City)

 

 

 

 

Ok, thanks Horace

[Loose]

Horace, given that Tokyngton have been missing in action since the beginning of the year and are intending moving 25 miles away from the community they claim to represent in what way are they NOT a new club?

 

Are the SSML Committee substantively aware that the Tokyngton that featured for some of last season is the same as the club that is proposing taking up a place in next season's SSML Div. 1?

 

Are there any regulations that you are aware of that a club has to fulfill to remain the existing club?

[Winslow Boy]

Horace, given that Tokyngton have been missing in action since the beginning of the year and are intending moving 25 miles away from the community they claim to represent in what way are they NOT a new club?

 

Are the SSML Committee substantively aware that the Tokyngton that featured for some of last season is the same as the club that is proposing taking up a place in next season's SSML Div. 1?

 

Are there any regulations that you are aware of that a club has to fulfill to remain the existing club?

 

 

 

Damn good point why didnt I think of that!

 

[Winslow Fox]

Horace, given that Tokyngton have been missing in action since the beginning of the year and are intending moving 25 miles away from the community they claim to represent in what way are they NOT a new club?

 

Are the SSML Committee substantively aware that the Tokyngton that featured for some of last season is the same as the club that is proposing taking up a place in next season's SSML Div. 1?

 

Are there any regulations that you are aware of that a club has to fulfill to remain the existing club?

 

Very interesting points raised.

[bicknell]

Earn the right to go up

BigBoss - What on earth are you talking about, Tokyngton Manor were a Division 1 Club when they were suspended for one season

 

I know that it is a slightly different scenario but can you not compare this to Winslow. Why did they have to start back in division 2?

 

Every team that falls out or does not meet the league standards etc. etc. should have to start again from Div 2

 

Because Winslow resigned from the League. It was only because of their long history in the South Midlands League that they were accepted back ahead of other applicants. The FA would not have allowed their inclusion straight back to Div 1. As I have stated several times already, whatever anyone thinks, Tokyngton continued to be members of the League, and had not finished in a relegation spot. The debating point which has some mileage is whether they should be allowed to play 25 miles away, with no prospect of their own ground!

 

 

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong Horace but my understanding is there aren't enough teams with the correct facilities to fill the spots there are in fact teams in Prem and div 1 who remain in danger because the facilties are not up to standard, so I would love to know this wealth of teams we were accepted over. Surely not more clubs playing on park pitches with no ability or aspiration to improve why oh why didn't the league accept them? And what exactly is the rule on groundshare? My understanding is that it must have been in place for a full season. Is there not a rule on distance and area and I would point out that the 25 miles is as the crow fly's not via road!

 

Winslowboy - the "one year" rule about groundsharing is where a club is seeking promotion. It doesn't apply when you are standing still (ie as Tokyngton moving to Amersham). Also if you already have a groundshare but have to move to another groundshare, that doesn't bring in the one year rule (applied to London Lions last season. They played at Broxbourne Borough but only from their acceptance into SSML Div 1. Prior to that they groundshared at St. Albans City)

 

 

 

this is true and this is y we are looking for a ground share ssml have told us if we find a ground share that meets the grading we will be ok .

[Winslow Fox]

Earn the right to go up

BigBoss - What on earth are you talking about, Tokyngton Manor were a Division 1 Club when they were suspended for one season

 

I know that it is a slightly different scenario but can you not compare this to Winslow. Why did they have to start back in division 2?

 

Every team that falls out or does not meet the league standards etc. etc. should have to start again from Div 2

 

Because Winslow resigned from the League. It was only because of their long history in the South Midlands League that they were accepted back ahead of other applicants. The FA would not have allowed their inclusion straight back to Div 1. As I have stated several times already, whatever anyone thinks, Tokyngton continued to be members of the League, and had not finished in a relegation spot. The debating point which has some mileage is whether they should be allowed to play 25 miles away, with no prospect of their own ground!

 

 

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong Horace but my understanding is there aren't enough teams with the correct facilities to fill the spots there are in fact teams in Prem and div 1 who remain in danger because the facilties are not up to standard, so I would love to know this wealth of teams we were accepted over. Surely not more clubs playing on park pitches with no ability or aspiration to improve why oh why didn't the league accept them? And what exactly is the rule on groundshare? My understanding is that it must have been in place for a full season. Is there not a rule on distance and area and I would point out that the 25 miles is as the crow fly's not via road!

 

Winslowboy - the "one year" rule about groundsharing is where a club is seeking promotion. It doesn't apply when you are standing still (ie as Tokyngton moving to Amersham). Also if you already have a groundshare but have to move to another groundshare, that doesn't bring in the one year rule (applied to London Lions last season. They played at Broxbourne Borough but only from their acceptance into SSML Div 1. Prior to that they groundshared at St. Albans City)

 

 

 

this is true and this is y we are looking for a ground share ssml have told us if we find a ground share that meets the grading we will be ok .

 

Having much luck mate? Hope you can get something sorted, as I've said before you've deserved a crack at div 1 and higher!!

[Winslow Boy]

Thats good CB, Buck Ath, New Bradwell, Ampthill (could be glad of finances) could be options. Bletchley play at Manor fields old MK Borough you've got connections there if its viable. I know it's a bit further away but Bicester Town? Unfortunately with our reserves and several youth sides we weren't in a position to offer anything to Buck Town or yourselves.

[Winslow Fox]

Horace, given that Tokyngton have been missing in action since the beginning of the year and are intending moving 25 miles away from the community they claim to represent in what way are they NOT a new club?

 

Are the SSML Committee substantively aware that the Tokyngton that featured for some of last season is the same as the club that is proposing taking up a place in next season's SSML Div. 1?

 

Are there any regulations that you are aware of that a club has to fulfill to remain the existing club?

 

Another thing I cant understand is Tokyngton Manor as a club competed last season in a Sunday league, surely that should eradicate any suspension they had with the SSMFL as they still competed last season?! A suspension to me means excatly that they are suspended from taking part in any competition. I do have to say it seems very much to me 'When is a rule not a rule, When it suits the, South Mids'

Edited June 6, 2011 by footballnut08

[Winslow Boy]

Horace, given that Tokyngton have been missing in action since the beginning of the year and are intending moving 25 miles away from the community they claim to represent in what way are they NOT a new club?

 

Are the SSML Committee substantively aware that the Tokyngton that featured for some of last season is the same as the club that is proposing taking up a place in next season's SSML Div. 1?

 

Are there any regulations that you are aware of that a club has to fulfill to remain the existing club?

 

Another thing I cant understand is Tokyngton Manor as a club competed last season in a Sunday league, surely that should eradicate any suspension they had with the SSMFL as they still competed last season?! A suspension to me means excatly that they are suspended from taking part in any competition. I do have to say it seems very much to me 'When is a rule not a rule, When it suits the, South Mids'

 

Another very interesting and valid point that will need answering effectively

[Horace]

Horace, given that Tokyngton have been missing in action since the beginning of the year and are intending moving 25 miles away from the community they claim to represent in what way are they NOT a new club?

 

Are the SSML Committee substantively aware that the Tokyngton that featured for some of last season is the same as the club that is proposing taking up a place in next season's SSML Div. 1?

 

Are there any regulations that you are aware of that a club has to fulfill to remain the existing club?

 

Another thing I cant understand is Tokyngton Manor as a club competed last season in a Sunday league, surely that should eradicate any suspension they had with the SSMFL as they still competed last season?! A suspension to me means excatly that they are suspended from taking part in any competition. I do have to say it seems very much to me 'When is a rule not a rule, When it suits the, South Mids'

 

 

It sounds like I'm defending Tik Tok, but I'm not! I'm just stating it as it is! Saturday and Sunday affiliations are separate . They were suspended from playing in the SSML, by the SSML not from all football, which could only have been done by a County FA or the FA..

They had presumably paid all their subs, so were entitled to a place in Div 1 for next season if they had a ground to play on.

 

I truly believe that the SSML "winged it" with their suspension decision last season. If Tik Tok had appealed to the FA, and offered to play all their games away, I believe they would have won.

 

 

 

[syd_lexic]

I think though, they were only suspended by the SSML from playing in the SSML. They wasn't banned by the FA from all football.

[Winslow Fox]

Horace, given that Tokyngton have been missing in action since the beginning of the year and are intending moving 25 miles away from the community they claim to represent in what way are they NOT a new club?

 

Are the SSML Committee substantively aware that the Tokyngton that featured for some of last season is the same as the club that is proposing taking up a place in next season's SSML Div. 1?

 

Are there any regulations that you are aware of that a club has to fulfill to remain the existing club?

 

Another thing I cant understand is Tokyngton Manor as a club competed last season in a Sunday league, surely that should eradicate any suspension they had with the SSMFL as they still competed last season?! A suspension to me means excatly that they are suspended from taking part in any competition. I do have to say it seems very much to me 'When is a rule not a rule, When it suits the, South Mids'

 

 

It sounds like I'm defending Tik Tok, but I'm not! I'm just stating it as it is! Saturday and Sunday affiliations are separate . They were suspended from playing in the SSML, by the SSML not from all football, which could only have been done by a County FA or the FA..

They had presumably paid all their subs, so were entitled to a place in Div 1 for next season if they had a ground to play on.

 

I truly believe that the SSML "winged it" with their suspension decision last season. If Tik Tok had appealed to the FA, and offered to play all their games away, I believe they would have won.

 

 

 

 

Ok Horace fully understood and accepted, how about the points raised in Loose's post earlier.

[bicknell]

Earn the right to go up

BigBoss - What on earth are you talking about, Tokyngton Manor were a Division 1 Club when they were suspended for one season

 

I know that it is a slightly different scenario but can you not compare this to Winslow. Why did they have to start back in division 2?

 

Every team that falls out or does not meet the league standards etc. etc. should have to start again from Div 2

 

Because Winslow resigned from the League. It was only because of their long history in the South Midlands League that they were accepted back ahead of other applicants. The FA would not have allowed their inclusion straight back to Div 1. As I have stated several times already, whatever anyone thinks, Tokyngton continued to be members of the League, and had not finished in a relegation spot. The debating point which has some mileage is whether they should be allowed to play 25 miles away, with no prospect of their own ground!

 

 

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong Horace but my understanding is there aren't enough teams with the correct facilities to fill the spots there are in fact teams in Prem and div 1 who remain in danger because the facilties are not up to standard, so I would love to know this wealth of teams we were accepted over. Surely not more clubs playing on park pitches with no ability or aspiration to improve why oh why didn't the league accept them? And what exactly is the rule on groundshare? My understanding is that it must have been in place for a full season. Is there not a rule on distance and area and I would point out that the 25 miles is as the crow fly's not via road!

 

Winslowboy - the "one year" rule about groundsharing is where a club is seeking promotion. It doesn't apply when you are standing still (ie as Tokyngton moving to Amersham). Also if you already have a groundshare but have to move to another groundshare, that doesn't bring in the one year rule (applied to London Lions last season. They played at Broxbourne Borough but only from their acceptance into SSML Div 1. Prior to that they groundshared at St. Albans City)

 

 

 

this is true and this is y we are looking for a ground share ssml have told us if we find a ground share that meets the grading we will be ok .

 

Having much luck mate? Hope you can get something sorted, as I've said before you've deserved a crack at div 1 and higher!!

 

thanks mate

[bicknell]

Thats good CB, Buck Ath, New Bradwell, Ampthill (could be glad of finances) could be options. Bletchley play at Manor fields old MK Borough you've got connections there if its viable. I know it's a bit further away but Bicester Town? Unfortunately with our reserves and several youth sides we weren't in a position to offer anything to Buck Town or yourselves.

 

thanks mate . we have not stopped night and day we are trying everything in our power we are in talks with 2 clubs at the mo 1 is looking very good so fingers crossed lol everything crossed . what we are offering clubs is mental they would be mad to turn it down . least if it dont work out we can say we had a good fight with it . i am just dreading the day if it comes . i go on holiday friday as well so it will all be out of my hands

[tringarmy]

Thats good CB, Buck Ath, New Bradwell, Ampthill (could be glad of finances) could be options. Bletchley play at Manor fields old MK Borough you've got connections there if its viable. I know it's a bit further away but Bicester Town? Unfortunately with our reserves and several youth sides we weren't in a position to offer anything to Buck Town or yourselves.

 

thanks mate . we have not stopped night and day we are trying everything in our power we are in talks with 2 clubs at the mo 1 is looking very good so fingers crossed lol everything crossed . what we are offering clubs is mental they would be mad to turn it down . least if it dont work out we can say we had a good fight with it . i am just dreading the day if it comes . i go on holiday friday as well so it will all be out of my hands

 

Have you tried Amersham? Could be a very popular move on this board

[Winslow Boy]

Lol love that!

[Rhodes]

i go on holiday friday as well so it will all be out of my hands

Champions - I'm surprised you can just disappear off on holiday on Friday if this is still hanging over the Club's head