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Is the above post talking about Paul Coyne, the Slough Town player ? I didn't recognise the description !

 

I think we now know whose mate Cookham Rebel is.

 

Not all Rebel Yeller, I don't know Paul... I just have impartial view of things and in my opinion he was our best player last season along with Seeby and Murphy... The pitches at this level do not suit Coyne!!!

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what is your source?

 

I am friends with some of the players Mark44...

 

I would love to see us start the season with Hayward, Sweeney, Dunlop, Woozely, Murphy, Sinclair, Coyne, Martin, Herron, Bird, Burnell as out starting 11....

 

 

 

No room for Sean Sonner, Stuart Swift or Chris Dillon (if he joins us) in your starting 11 Cookham?.

 

I just think Sonner is to similar to Burnell and would rather a big target man like Ryan Bird.... Well, Swift or Herron, not much between them, Swift gives more defensively and his set pieces whereas Herron is more of a flair player.... I've never seen Dillon play, so I've gone with Burnell!!!

 

 

 

Am I the only person who doesn't think that Sean Sonner is similar to Danny Burnell?

 

One of Sean's biggest assets is his heading/jumping ability and workrate. Danny Burnell, in the main likes the ball to his feet so that he can beat and turn defenders with his close control.

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If its true that he wasnt on mega bucks Reading then he would be an ideal signing. However, with Burnell, Sonner and Mendy do we really need Bird and Dillon?

 

Would love to see Hayward here and Dunlop also as we need someone decent to replace Seeby.

 

Also if Martin is staying then I feel we have a good chance of winning this league.

 

 

I didn't say he wasn't on Mega Bucks just that he apparently was doing a lot of travelling and wasn't getting a regular game, that's why he went to Arlesey.

 

 

Can't believe you would discard Bird or Dillon for Mendy. Tony Mendy is a good prospect for the future, Bird and Dillon are proven players at this level and above.

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I agree that Abbey, Sonner and Burnell are all to simiilar. Ideally I would like to keep all of them, but if one of them has to make way for a big target striker, then so be it.

 

Personally, I'm not too fussed about Richard Hayward. If he's going to jump ship if we go up (like he has done with Waltham Abbey and Chesham United, and may do for Arlesey Town), I'd prefer someone who will show a little more loyalty, regardless of what league we're in. Besides, if we get our defence sorted out, I see no reason why Bullivant or Fanner cannot do a job for us.

 

 

 

 

Nathan, we want to try and win the league next season and worry about the following season when it comes round.

 

 

Richard Hayward is a proven, class keeper and will be a godsend if we manage to sign him.

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what is your source?

 

I am friends with some of the players Mark44...

 

I would love to see us start the season with Hayward, Sweeney, Dunlop, Woozely, Murphy, Sinclair, Coyne, Martin, Herron, Bird, Burnell as out starting 11....

 

 

 

No room for Sean Sonner, Stuart Swift or Chris Dillon (if he joins us) in your starting 11 Cookham?.

 

I just think Sonner is to similar to Burnell and would rather a big target man like Ryan Bird.... Well, Swift or Herron, not much between them, Swift gives more defensively and his set pieces whereas Herron is more of a flair player.... I've never seen Dillon play, so I've gone with Burnell!!!

 

 

With those players I'd play 3-5-2 of Hayward, Sweeney,Dunlop,Woozley-defence .right wing back-Sinclair,left wing back Murphy,midfield three of a new holding midfield player,Logie and Adam Martin ,with Burnell and Bird or Dillon upfront.

 

I know I'm going to be shot down in flames for saying this but I would release Paul Coyne and Sean Sonner[therefore balancing the books] as imo both are disruptive to team morale/spirit for my liking. I'd keep Stuart Swift,Chris Herron,Sam Bateman,Simon Martin,Ben Porter,Steve Perkins[who I hope will be the coach this year] and Charlie Fanner as back up.

 

Not going to shoot you down 3spirit as this is a discussion forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, there is no chance that Bateman will allow Coyne or Sonner to leave and I would have to agree with him, the pair of them are the jokers amongst the squad and are loved by all the players and management, I don't think they are disruptive. The biggest culprits for moaning and dissent are Burnell and Swift, as said in a previous thread, as soon as

Bateman introduced the booked for dissent=subbed rule, Coyne behaviour on the pitch was exemplary, he is only 25 and believe me, he could be the player that takes us back into the Conference South or even the Conference, I believe he is that good and far too good for the level he is at. One thing though, and I may get shot down in flames here, but if Coyne is played in central midfield, in my opinion he has to be partnered by a fully fit Shaun Byrne. When they played together in the centre last season we produced our best performances.

 

 

 

 

Have to agree 100% that Paul Coyne IMO was one of our best players last season and again will be one of the first names on the teamsheet next season because he's a class player.

 

 

Yes, the amount of bookings he got for dissent was unacceptable but when the unnecessary dissent/subbed rule came in he was exemplary.

 

 

We just have to make sure we crack down on discipline from the start next season.

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I agree Reading that Mendy is a propspect for the future but I heard we have put him on a contract (hearsay at the playoffs)

 

If this is true then the point I was trying to make was that can we afford both Bird and Dillon when one of them will just sit on the bench.

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what is your source?

 

I am friends with some of the players Mark44...

 

I would love to see us start the season with Hayward, Sweeney, Dunlop, Woozely, Murphy, Sinclair, Coyne, Martin, Herron, Bird, Burnell as out starting 11....

 

 

 

No room for Sean Sonner, Stuart Swift or Chris Dillon (if he joins us) in your starting 11 Cookham?.

 

I just think Sonner is to similar to Burnell and would rather a big target man like Ryan Bird.... Well, Swift or Herron, not much between them, Swift gives more defensively and his set pieces whereas Herron is more of a flair player.... I've never seen Dillon play, so I've gone with Burnell!!!

 

 

With those players I'd play 3-5-2 of Hayward, Sweeney,Dunlop,Woozley-defence .right wing back-Sinclair,left wing back Murphy,midfield three of a new holding midfield player,Logie and Adam Martin ,with Burnell and Bird or Dillon upfront.

 

I know I'm going to be shot down in flames for saying this but I would release Paul Coyne and Sean Sonner[therefore balancing the books] as imo both are disruptive to team morale/spirit for my liking. I'd keep Stuart Swift,Chris Herron,Sam Bateman,Simon Martin,Ben Porter,Steve Perkins[who I hope will be the coach this year] and Charlie Fanner as back up.

 

Not going to shoot you down 3spirit as this is a discussion forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, there is no chance that Bateman will allow Coyne or Sonner to leave and I would have to agree with him, the pair of them are the jokers amongst the squad and are loved by all the players and management, I don't think they are disruptive. The biggest culprits for moaning and dissent are Burnell and Swift, as said in a previous thread, as soon as

Bateman introduced the booked for dissent=subbed rule, Coyne behaviour on the pitch was exemplary, he is only 25 and believe me, he could be the player that takes us back into the Conference South or even the Conference, I believe he is that good and far too good for the level he is at. One thing though, and I may get shot down in flames here, but if Coyne is played in central midfield, in my opinion he has to be partnered by a fully fit Shaun Byrne. When they played together in the centre last season we produced our best performances.

 

 

I would like to shoot you down in flames,Cookham Rebel! lol!

 

I agree that Coyne and Byrne seemed to complement each other in midfield but the reasons for that was that Shaun Byrne was so unfit that Paul Coyne worked far harder than he normally does with anyone else.

I do not dispute that Paul Coyne had some excellent games for Slough last year and was definitely one of the better performers in the play off game.My concern is that he is inconsistent,head strong/unruly when he doesn't get his way and seems to think the team need to operate around him.To my mind,he isn't that good a player to build your team around.

He forever kicks the ball with the outside of his foot and is certainly no Glen Hoddle with his passing ! and how many goals does he score. He hardly ever puts in a good tackle either.

 

As for Shaun Byrne,I think he's a worthwhile squad player,ideal for covering different positions in the team for injuries,etc but currently as a first choice centre midfielder,no way.He gets booked too often for late,ill-timed tackles and doesn't keep up with play [ due to being unfit,as mentioned previously] and is getting past his sell-by date!

Although not his biggest fan,I feel Sam Bateman is a better bet than Shaun Byrne being that he's younger,fitter and thus more mobile around the pitch.He should be given more games than he currently is,to prove if he's up to the challenge or not as the case may be.

 

Being that Adam Logie has played centre of defence and captained Hayes and Yeading. I would make Logie my captain and use him as my midfield leader in the middle of the park and forget Coyne. I am not convinced Paul Coyne wants Adam Logie as his midfield partner and they both seem to want to play each other's role in the team.Thus not playing well together.

 

As I would look to play a 3-5-2 this enables you to play three centre midfielders. I think new midfielder/Bateman/Logie/A.Martin or Swift ,would make a good combination,if you set up your defensive side right. You can also play a midfielder stroke skilful ball player ie Herron,Swift,Logie,Sinclair,A.Martin in the 'hole' behind the front two.This style of play can cause havoc in the opposition's defence.If we ever tried it.

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what is your source?

 

I am friends with some of the players Mark44...

 

I would love to see us start the season with Hayward, Sweeney, Dunlop, Woozely, Murphy, Sinclair, Coyne, Martin, Herron, Bird, Burnell as out starting 11....

 

 

 

No room for Sean Sonner, Stuart Swift or Chris Dillon (if he joins us) in your starting 11 Cookham?.

 

I just think Sonner is to similar to Burnell and would rather a big target man like Ryan Bird.... Well, Swift or Herron, not much between them, Swift gives more defensively and his set pieces whereas Herron is more of a flair player.... I've never seen Dillon play, so I've gone with Burnell!!!

 

 

With those players I'd play 3-5-2 of Hayward, Sweeney,Dunlop,Woozley-defence .right wing back-Sinclair,left wing back Murphy,midfield three of a new holding midfield player,Logie and Adam Martin ,with Burnell and Bird or Dillon upfront.

 

I know I'm going to be shot down in flames for saying this but I would release Paul Coyne and Sean Sonner[therefore balancing the books] as imo both are disruptive to team morale/spirit for my liking. I'd keep Stuart Swift,Chris Herron,Sam Bateman,Simon Martin,Ben Porter,Steve Perkins[who I hope will be the coach this year] and Charlie Fanner as back up.

 

Not going to shoot you down 3spirit as this is a discussion forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, there is no chance that Bateman will allow Coyne or Sonner to leave and I would have to agree with him, the pair of them are the jokers amongst the squad and are loved by all the players and management, I don't think they are disruptive. The biggest culprits for moaning and dissent are Burnell and Swift, as said in a previous thread, as soon as

Bateman introduced the booked for dissent=subbed rule, Coyne behaviour on the pitch was exemplary, he is only 25 and believe me, he could be the player that takes us back into the Conference South or even the Conference, I believe he is that good and far too good for the level he is at. One thing though, and I may get shot down in flames here, but if Coyne is played in central midfield, in my opinion he has to be partnered by a fully fit Shaun Byrne. When they played together in the centre last season we produced our best performances.

 

 

I would like to shoot you down in flames,Cookham Rebel! lol!

 

I agree that Coyne and Byrne seemed to complement each other in midfield but the reasons for that was that Shaun Byrne was so unfit that Paul Coyne worked far harder than he normally does with anyone else.

I do not dispute that Paul Coyne had some excellent games for Slough last year and was definitely one of the better performers in the play off game.My concern is that he is inconsistent,head strong/unruly when he doesn't get his way and seems to think the team need to operate around him.To my mind,he isn't that good a player to build your team around.

He forever kicks the ball with the outside of his foot and is certainly no Glen Hoddle with his passing ! and how many goals does he score. He hardly ever puts in a good tackle either.

 

As for Shaun Byrne,I think he's a worthwhile squad player,ideal for covering different positions in the team for injuries,etc but currently as a first choice centre midfielder,no way.He gets booked too often for late,ill-timed tackles and doesn't keep up with play [ due to being unfit,as mentioned previously] and is getting past his sell-by date!

Although not his biggest fan,I feel Sam Bateman is a better bet than Shaun Byrne being that he's younger,fitter and thus more mobile around the pitch.He should be given more games than he currently is,to prove if he's up to the challenge or not as the case may be.

 

Being that Adam Logie has played centre of defence and captained Hayes and Yeading. I would make Logie my captain and use him as my midfield leader in the middle of the park and forget Coyne. I am not convinced Paul Coyne wants Adam Logie as his midfield partner and they both seem to want to play each other's role in the team.Thus not playing well together.

 

As I would look to play a 3-5-2 this enables you to play three centre midfielders. I think new midfielder/Bateman/Logie/A.Martin or Swift ,would make a good combination,if you set up your defensive side right. You can also play a midfielder stroke skilful ball player ie Herron,Swift,Logie,Sinclair,A.Martin in the 'hole' behind the front two.This style of play can cause havoc in the opposition's defence.If we ever tried it.

 

 

 

 

Can't tackle, can't pass, can't score but what a player! LOL

 

 

I thought Coyney was one of our most consistantly good players last year. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one 3spirit.

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i know this is barely speculation potentially all of this discussion but a point about Ryan Bird is that he is capable of playing pretty much any position. no idea if he attack is where he wants to be full time or not but he has played full back and centre back against Slough in the past as well as im sure some sort of midfield role at some point

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what is your source?

 

I am friends with some of the players Mark44...

 

I would love to see us start the season with Hayward, Sweeney, Dunlop, Woozely, Murphy, Sinclair, Coyne, Martin, Herron, Bird, Burnell as out starting 11....

 

 

 

No room for Sean Sonner, Stuart Swift or Chris Dillon (if he joins us) in your starting 11 Cookham?.

 

I just think Sonner is to similar to Burnell and would rather a big target man like Ryan Bird.... Well, Swift or Herron, not much between them, Swift gives more defensively and his set pieces whereas Herron is more of a flair player.... I've never seen Dillon play, so I've gone with Burnell!!!

 

 

With those players I'd play 3-5-2 of Hayward, Sweeney,Dunlop,Woozley-defence .right wing back-Sinclair,left wing back Murphy,midfield three of a new holding midfield player,Logie and Adam Martin ,with Burnell and Bird or Dillon upfront.

 

I know I'm going to be shot down in flames for saying this but I would release Paul Coyne and Sean Sonner[therefore balancing the books] as imo both are disruptive to team morale/spirit for my liking. I'd keep Stuart Swift,Chris Herron,Sam Bateman,Simon Martin,Ben Porter,Steve Perkins[who I hope will be the coach this year] and Charlie Fanner as back up.

 

Not going to shoot you down 3spirit as this is a discussion forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, there is no chance that Bateman will allow Coyne or Sonner to leave and I would have to agree with him, the pair of them are the jokers amongst the squad and are loved by all the players and management, I don't think they are disruptive. The biggest culprits for moaning and dissent are Burnell and Swift, as said in a previous thread, as soon as

Bateman introduced the booked for dissent=subbed rule, Coyne behaviour on the pitch was exemplary, he is only 25 and believe me, he could be the player that takes us back into the Conference South or even the Conference, I believe he is that good and far too good for the level he is at. One thing though, and I may get shot down in flames here, but if Coyne is played in central midfield, in my opinion he has to be partnered by a fully fit Shaun Byrne. When they played together in the centre last season we produced our best performances.

 

 

I would like to shoot you down in flames,Cookham Rebel! lol!

 

I agree that Coyne and Byrne seemed to complement each other in midfield but the reasons for that was that Shaun Byrne was so unfit that Paul Coyne worked far harder than he normally does with anyone else.

I do not dispute that Paul Coyne had some excellent games for Slough last year and was definitely one of the better performers in the play off game.My concern is that he is inconsistent,head strong/unruly when he doesn't get his way and seems to think the team need to operate around him.To my mind,he isn't that good a player to build your team around.

He forever kicks the ball with the outside of his foot and is certainly no Glen Hoddle with his passing ! and how many goals does he score. He hardly ever puts in a good tackle either.

 

As for Shaun Byrne,I think he's a worthwhile squad player,ideal for covering different positions in the team for injuries,etc but currently as a first choice centre midfielder,no way.He gets booked too often for late,ill-timed tackles and doesn't keep up with play [ due to being unfit,as mentioned previously] and is getting past his sell-by date!

Although not his biggest fan,I feel Sam Bateman is a better bet than Shaun Byrne being that he's younger,fitter and thus more mobile around the pitch.He should be given more games than he currently is,to prove if he's up to the challenge or not as the case may be.

 

Being that Adam Logie has played centre of defence and captained Hayes and Yeading. I would make Logie my captain and use him as my midfield leader in the middle of the park and forget Coyne. I am not convinced Paul Coyne wants Adam Logie as his midfield partner and they both seem to want to play each other's role in the team.Thus not playing well together.

 

As I would look to play a 3-5-2 this enables you to play three centre midfielders. I think new midfielder/Bateman/Logie/A.Martin or Swift ,would make a good combination,if you set up your defensive side right. You can also play a midfielder stroke skilful ball player ie Herron,Swift,Logie,Sinclair,A.Martin in the 'hole' behind the front two.This style of play can cause havoc in the opposition's defence.If we ever tried it.

 

 

 

 

Can't tackle, can't pass, can't score but what a player! LOL

 

 

I thought Coyney was one of our most consistantly good players last year. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one 3spirit.

 

 

To be fair to him [Paul Coyne], Reading Rebel, I may have overstated his weaknesses to highlight the fact that I find him over-rated by the management and most of the supporters. I should have said he doesn't make enough tackles.His passing can be adequate to good on any given day but my real bone of contention with him is his law unto himself attitude,in regards to the team. Yes,Burnell,Swift and Sonner [and Murphy sometimes] are all just as bad. However,Steve Bateman and Dave Anderson seem to able to control those three/four but Coyne seems to rule the roost and says what he likes.To me,regardless of his attributes,because of the area he plays at ie centre of midfield.You're better off having a resilient,hardworking player who can ride with the knocks and doesn't keep moaning to all and sundry and injects better team spirit.

Once Coyne starts then Stuart Swift [his mate] follows and then we get more whinging from other players.

 

I just prefer to watch the decent,honest,fair players like Steve Bateman was himself ,when he played. Not these flash,foul mouthed,posers who think they're better footballers than they are. IMO to build a Championship winning team you need unity,team spirit,harmony and all in it togetherness.Not arguing amongst yourselves and disrespect for your manager and other players .This is the reason why I wouldn't have Paul Coyne.

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what is your source?

 

I am friends with some of the players Mark44...

 

I would love to see us start the season with Hayward, Sweeney, Dunlop, Woozely, Murphy, Sinclair, Coyne, Martin, Herron, Bird, Burnell as out starting 11....

 

 

 

No room for Sean Sonner, Stuart Swift or Chris Dillon (if he joins us) in your starting 11 Cookham?.

 

I just think Sonner is to similar to Burnell and would rather a big target man like Ryan Bird.... Well, Swift or Herron, not much between them, Swift gives more defensively and his set pieces whereas Herron is more of a flair player.... I've never seen Dillon play, so I've gone with Burnell!!!

 

 

 

Am I the only person who doesn't think that Sean Sonner is similar to Danny Burnell?

 

One of Sean's biggest assets is his heading/jumping ability and workrate. Danny Burnell, in the main likes the ball to his feet so that he can beat and turn defenders with his close control.

 

 

But I'm not convinced they play well together. For me, both players play better off a bigger,target man.Burnell is a better goalpoacher and so has the edge over Sean Sonner but both are assets to the squad. I think they both good replacements for each other,as Ben Abbey would be.All have slightly differing qualities to their game,as you've said.

We are desperate for a target man.

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I have to disagree 3 spirit. The reason that you see Coyne make the odd mistake is because he gets involved and ok so one pass in 10 doesnt come off but he makes so many passes that he will make a mistake.

 

He is a player who gets stuck in and his workrate is fantastic.

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I have to disagree 3 spirit. The reason that you see Coyne make the odd mistake is because he gets involved and ok so one pass in 10 doesnt come off but he makes so many passes that he will make a mistake.

 

He is a player who gets stuck in and his workrate is fantastic.

 

 

I think he often flatters to deceive. We all have different ideas to each other on what makes a good team and what personnel should be in it. I agree with you,Mark44,he can be a good player but I believe that he could be an even better one,if he could shut up and let his football do the talking!

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I hope that Sam Bateman gets more games next season than he did this season as I think that he is a very good player, not scared to put in a tackle or to run around the pitch for a full 90 minutes plus he is a good passer and does join in an attack but will also stay back to defend. I dont think he is our best midfeild player but I do believe he should be given the chance to prove himself.

 

 

It is all just speculation right now but I personally would love to have hayward at slough with Fanner as number 2 to hayward (i would let bully go, he had chances to prove himself but didnt make the most of it and I know im not the only one who thinks this).

We need to get a few Defenders in as with Seeby leaving and Perkins likely to be in a coaching role as well as the doubt over Sweeney staying due to other commitments we are left with only Woozley and Murphy (with no guarentee of either staying).

It would be nice to see Graeme Edwards come Back and it would be great to sign Dunlop but we also need another rightback/centreback at least.

 

Personally would let ben abbey go as unfourtunately for him (due to injury) he hasn't had much playing time so he hasn't had much of a chance to show what he can do which means Burnell and Sonner are well ahead of him in terms of being the number 1 and 2 (shorter) strikers. Also I know some people may not agree with me but if we are bringing in more strikers like Bird then i would let martin go, even if it was just having him on dual registration.

 

It would be nice to see a few U18's in the team next year even if it is against "weaker" opponents or in cup games just so that they get to show people what they can do and advertise the U18's so more of us come and whatch their games.

 

Whatever happens between now and the beginning of the season i am confident that our management will bring in some good signings who will be able to help us fight for automatic promotion next year.

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i'm interested in the suggestion that both Danny Burnell and Sean Sonner play better with a big target man given that in all their time at Slough we've never had one. I certainly don't think Simon Martin plays that type of role so either people have followed Sean and Danny's careers pre-Slough or they are guessing!

 

You only need a BIG target striker if you play a long ball game. If you keep it on the deck and don't start hoisting high balls in you can quite happily play with both Burnell and Sonner together.

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You only need a BIG target striker if you play a long ball game. If you keep it on the deck and don't start hoisting high balls in you can quite happily play with both Burnell and Sonner together.

 

I have to disagree tere Ian. Several times last season, I felt that we were ill-prepared to break down defences with large defenders. I also feel that both Burnell and Sonner would be ideally suited to feeding off a big target striker (similar to the Hodges/Boot partnership where Hodges did all the donkey work that Boot could never do).

 

IMO we desperately need at least one big target striker in order to break up opposition defences, draw out defenders and generally cause havoc. Burnell and Sonner can then take advantage.

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You only need a BIG target striker if you play a long ball game. If you keep it on the deck and don't start hoisting high balls in you can quite happily play with both Burnell and Sonner together.

 

I have to disagree tere Ian. Several times last season, I felt that we were ill-prepared to break down defences with large defenders. I also feel that both Burnell and Sonner would be ideally suited to feeding off a big target striker (similar to the Hodges/Boot partnership where Hodges did all the donkey work that Boot could never do).

 

IMO we desperately need at least one big target striker in order to break up opposition defences, draw out defenders and generally cause havoc. Burnell and Sonner can then take advantage.

 

 

I agree with you,Nathan. There's a fallacy that a tall target man cannot be skilful. Hodges and Boot are a perfect example of how it can work. It's totally NOT true that you have to play the long ball game.It's like saying Gary Abbot only scored goals through being in teams who played the long ball.Absolute poppycock! He was a striker that could play any role,as have been numerous others. We just need to find one.

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I don't think anyone has said that tall players cannot be skillful and I'm also not saying that if you have a target striker you have to play a long ball game.

 

What I'm saying is if you aren't playing with a target striker don't hit long high balls in which we did on some occasions last year. Yes we failed to break teams down sometimes but that's because we didn't play to our strengths.

 

Daventry away was a classic example of where we did play to our strengths and as a team they were both very big and strong. Quick passing, kept the ball and excellent movement and we undid them several times.

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What I'm saying is if you aren't playing with a target striker don't hit long high balls in which we did on some occasions last year. Yes we failed to break teams down sometimes but that's because we didn't play to our strengths.

 

Agreed, but it still leaves the problem that without a target striker, should Burnell and Sonner come up against big defenders, they would have to outjump defenders that are twice their height (if we play the long ball), or expect them to do maybe 2 or 3 times the amount of footwork to get around them on the floor (should we play the passing game).

 

IMO, a big target striker would solve these problems!

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