Eastside Urchin Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Bring back labour,they done a blinding job last term At national or local level? either way I hope your being sarcastic as if they were infact "blinding" last time I'd have to ask why they got ousted and replaced by the Cons? Me,sarcastic,never!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wanderer Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I hope the council are sure that they are legally correct as if the developers decide to take legal action this maybe an expense decision by our council which we the residents will pick up the bill. Someone who was not a football fan and was at the council meeting could not believe the quality of some of the councilors and was quite shooked, today's events could justify that comment !!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffin Ender Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Thing is, when we got planning permission for the new stadium in 2006 the council was Tory-controlled and it still is. So why has their attitude changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psych Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Get the Ombudsman involved, TDC have done major u-turns before when somebody starts scrutinizing what they're up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) Get the Ombudsman involved, TDC have done major u-turns before when somebody starts scrutinizing what they're up to. I wholeheartedly agree with you psych.Trouble with going down that route,& I take on board what you say about u-turns,this process can sometimes be very long & we don't have time on our side & the council know that full well. Whether it be now or later though I believe the council should be brought to task about this affair & not be allowed to get away with it. Regardless of what S.M.continues & continues & continues to say they ARE acting improperly on this as there is no change materialistically or other (apart from two floors less of course) on the lower version of the hotel . They should be made to pay one way or another. I'm sure the club have this as an option & have it at the back of their minds though & who knows they might use this route as a last resort. Lets hope the council see sense long before that happens.Would be better all round for both the council & us. Edited April 28, 2011 by Cookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetoffee Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 If the club are sure of their case, I can't believe they're not thinking about the nuclear leagal option. Imagine if the council are found to have acted negligantly or whatever the term would be, have to pay compenastion and costs to the club, where is that money going to come from? Council tax payers!!! So not only does the club not get a new stadium or the fans and town lose their club, but we all pay through higher taxes or losing services. Absolute nonsense it really is. It must be damaging to the council's reputation which isn't good for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wanderer Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 My point has always been a will to see this through from the council. If our council leader got the un elected officers and developers together and told both parties to go away and find a solution to resolve the issues then that would a positive step and back up the council's words that they want to support the club, has this happened , maybe On The Side Lines could let us know. It seems the silence from the council is deafening, maybe if I am wrong someone can come on and coerrect me if this has happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyriding Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 My point has always been a will to see this through from the council. If our council leader got the un elected officers and developers together and told both parties to go away and find a solution to resolve the issues then that would a positive step and back up the council's words that they want to support the club, has this happened , maybe On The Side Lines could let us know. It seems the silence from the council is deafening, maybe if I am wrong someone can come on and coerrect me if this has happened. My opinion so not fact but I have to say maybe we (the club) arent 100% in the right here, I have and Im sure a majority of you out there have thought this procedure has taken an absolute age and that the hurdles we (the club) have had to jump are maybe because we havent dotted the i's and crossed the t's. The Planning Dept are employed and not elected members of the council so unless they as many have said havent had their "backhander" which I find hard to believe then maybe just maybe we arent as white as "we" are making out. Ooopps I know this statement might fly in the face of some on here but we do have to consider that the process that the club is going through is Legal one and that peoples heads/careers would be on the line if they fell out of line with the rules. This is only a niggling thought but Im sure many of you are also thinking the same, god forbid "we" did go down the pan because of the employed Architects etc werent as competant as they made out or promised to be. Lets face it 5-6 years ago we employed a Stadia Group and they were supposed to be the nuts - look where that got us. As stated just a thought so no need to shoot me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffin Ender Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Would a nationwide firm like Travelodge have got involved in the first place if that was true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyriding Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Would a nationwide firm like Travelodge have got involved in the first place if that was true? Agreed CE but cmon even you have got doubts here - the council arent the brightest bunch of keys on the ring but something just doesnt add up here and someone somewhere will have the wrath of the MFC fans falling on their heads (just hope it isnt the board ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagey Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 you sound like you know something we dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 My point has always been a will to see this through from the council. If our council leader got the un elected officers and developers together and told both parties to go away and find a solution to resolve the issues then that would a positive step and back up the council's words that they want to support the club, has this happened , maybe On The Side Lines could let us know. It seems the silence from the council is deafening, maybe if I am wrong someone can come on and coerrect me if this has happened. I am sure they have already done this on a couple of occassions only, for others to intervene after agreement as seemingly been reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellsie Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 My point has always been a will to see this through from the council. If our council leader got the un elected officers and developers together and told both parties to go away and find a solution to resolve the issues then that would a positive step and back up the council's words that they want to support the club, has this happened , maybe On The Side Lines could let us know. It seems the silence from the council is deafening, maybe if I am wrong someone can come on and coerrect me if this has happened. My opinion so not fact but I have to say maybe we (the club) arent 100% in the right here, I have and Im sure a majority of you out there have thought this procedure has taken an absolute age and that the hurdles we (the club) have had to jump are maybe because we havent dotted the i's and crossed the t's. The Planning Dept are employed and not elected members of the council so unless they as many have said havent had their "backhander" which I find hard to believe then maybe just maybe we arent as white as "we" are making out. Ooopps I know this statement might fly in the face of some on here but we do have to consider that the process that the club is going through is Legal one and that peoples heads/careers would be on the line if they fell out of line with the rules. This is only a niggling thought but Im sure many of you are also thinking the same, god forbid "we" did go down the pan because of the employed Architects etc werent as competant as they made out or promised to be. Lets face it 5-6 years ago we employed a Stadia Group and they were supposed to be the nuts - look where that got us. As stated just a thought so no need to shoot me Given the costs associated with getting the proposals as far as they have, I think it's safe to say that the developers have gone about it the right way. You wouldn't want to sink that much money into a scheme before laying a single brick, without a very good chance of a return on the investment. Don't forget, the costs of a completely new application were quoted (at the public meeting) of being of the order of £100k! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On_The_Sidelines Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 (edited) First off I'm not part of TDC or Planning, I'm just an almost 40 year old bloke who wants to see MFC build their new facilities but also wants to make sure it is fair and legal. Having worked with Architects/designers/developers in the past on numerous occasions I will say that they are NOT always above board and honest and will try and push things through that they have no right to if they believe they have consent from a previous permitted planning application. Just look at what they did to the old Kent Hotel on the seafront that was supposed to keep its facade or the numerous listed buildings in Ramsgate that have been knocked down! Like someone said earlier maybe there are things that we aren't privy too that has knocked the developement back, maybe the developers are trying to pull a fast one, maybe TDC are just the pack of numpties that we sometimes think they are, maybe a more open discussion from TDC explaining in detail what has stalled the development might be beneficial... if they have can someone point me at it? Oh... and I will be hopefully popping in and out of this forum and some others for as long as this saga continues, if that finishes before the elections then maybe that'll add to some peoples conspiracy theories... lmao! Edited April 28, 2011 by On_The_Sidelines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyriding Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 My point has always been a will to see this through from the council. If our council leader got the un elected officers and developers together and told both parties to go away and find a solution to resolve the issues then that would a positive step and back up the council's words that they want to support the club, has this happened , maybe On The Side Lines could let us know. It seems the silence from the council is deafening, maybe if I am wrong someone can come on and coerrect me if this has happened. My opinion so not fact but I have to say maybe we (the club) arent 100% in the right here, I have and Im sure a majority of you out there have thought this procedure has taken an absolute age and that the hurdles we (the club) have had to jump are maybe because we havent dotted the i's and crossed the t's. The Planning Dept are employed and not elected members of the council so unless they as many have said havent had their "backhander" which I find hard to believe then maybe just maybe we arent as white as "we" are making out. Ooopps I know this statement might fly in the face of some on here but we do have to consider that the process that the club is going through is Legal one and that peoples heads/careers would be on the line if they fell out of line with the rules. This is only a niggling thought but Im sure many of you are also thinking the same, god forbid "we" did go down the pan because of the employed Architects etc werent as competant as they made out or promised to be. Lets face it 5-6 years ago we employed a Stadia Group and they were supposed to be the nuts - look where that got us. As stated just a thought so no need to shoot me Given the costs associated with getting the proposals as far as they have, I think it's safe to say that the developers have gone about it the right way. You wouldn't want to sink that much money into a scheme before laying a single brick, without a very good chance of a return on the investment. Don't forget, the costs of a completely new application were quoted (at the public meeting) of being of the order of £100k! As I mentioned it was only me thinking out loud and most people on here that know me would say Im a staunch Margate supporter so not knocking KP or the club. My kinda of roundabout thinking was surely if MFC have crossed all the i's etc then TDC are being malicious/obstinate and therefore are unlawful in their actions. And no Pagey I know no more than you mate just wish it would all be settled and we as a club can move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie100 Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 First off I'm not part of TDC or Planning, I'm just an almost 40 year old bloke who wants to see MFC build their new facilities but also wants to make sure it is fair and legal. Having worked with Architects/designers/developers in the past on numerous occasions I will say that they are NOT always above board and honest and will try and push things through that they have no right to if they believe they have consent from a previous permitted planning application. Just look at what they did to the old Kent Hotel on the seafront that was supposed to keep its facade or the numerous listed buildings in Ramsgate that have been knocked down! Like someone said earlier maybe there are things that we aren't privy too that has knocked the developement back, maybe the developers are trying to pull a fast one, maybe TDC are just the pack of numpties that we sometimes think they are, maybe a more open discussion from TDC explaining in detail what has stalled the development might be beneficial... if they have can someone point me at it? Oh... and I will be hopefully popping in and out of this forum and some others for as long as this saga continues, if that finishes before the elections then maybe that'll add to some peoples conspiracy theories... lmao! Well the Council HAS the power so why did they not order the Kent Hotel owners to be put back to how it was, also order the owner of Mr Gs to rebuild after the building was burnt down especially as he picked up the insurance money to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyriding Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 First off I'm not part of TDC or Planning, I'm just an almost 40 year old bloke who wants to see MFC build their new facilities but also wants to make sure it is fair and legal. Having worked with Architects/designers/developers in the past on numerous occasions I will say that they are NOT always above board and honest and will try and push things through that they have no right to if they believe they have consent from a previous permitted planning application. Just look at what they did to the old Kent Hotel on the seafront that was supposed to keep its facade or the numerous listed buildings in Ramsgate that have been knocked down! Like someone said earlier maybe there are things that we aren't privy too that has knocked the developement back, maybe the developers are trying to pull a fast one, maybe TDC are just the pack of numpties that we sometimes think they are, maybe a more open discussion from TDC explaining in detail what has stalled the development might be beneficial... if they have can someone point me at it? Oh... and I will be hopefully popping in and out of this forum and some others for as long as this saga continues, if that finishes before the elections then maybe that'll add to some peoples conspiracy theories... lmao! : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksandwell Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 With all thats been going on, its nice to be distracted by tomorrows event. However I am stilll in two minds..Do i visit The Turner again or watch the wedding???? I for one am looking forward to the happy couple getting married as this is such a rare event..Thank goodness with Children dying of hunger every second, Wars around the world, Religious rebellions, murders, old people dying in NHS hospital halls, No employment, poverty & hardship, we can put all that aside and enjoy this Glourios time. I'm wondering if infact rather than being selfish and sponsoring a player next year, would it be better to send the money to the newlyweds to help with their costs, afterall weddings aren't cheap you know. Still Gawd Bless You, may you enjoy you new married lives together, you may find it tough saving for a deposit for your first house, and i hope you will both find work soon. I hope you are as happy as Charles & Dia...... Well all the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faithfulblue Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 With all thats been going on, its nice to be distracted by tomorrows event. However I am stilll in two minds..Do i visit The Turner again or watch the wedding???? I for one am looking forward to the happy couple getting married as this is such a rare event..Thank goodness with Children dying of hunger every second, Wars around the world, Religious rebellions, murders, old people dying in NHS hospital halls, No employment, poverty & hardship, we can put all that aside and enjoy this Glourios time. I'm wondering if infact rather than being selfish and sponsoring a player next year, would it be better to send the money to the newlyweds to help with their costs, afterall weddings aren't cheap you know. Still Gawd Bless You, may you enjoy you new married lives together, you may find it tough saving for a deposit for your first house, and i hope you will both find work soon. I hope you are as happy as Charles & Dia...... Well all the best. This just cheered me up on a dull Thursday afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Banshee Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 With all thats been going on, its nice to be distracted by tomorrows event. However I am stilll in two minds..Do i visit The Turner again or watch the wedding???? I for one am looking forward to the happy couple getting married as this is such a rare event..Thank goodness with Children dying of hunger every second, Wars around the world, Religious rebellions, murders, old people dying in NHS hospital halls, No employment, poverty & hardship, we can put all that aside and enjoy this Glourios time. I'm wondering if infact rather than being selfish and sponsoring a player next year, would it be better to send the money to the newlyweds to help with their costs, afterall weddings aren't cheap you know. Still Gawd Bless You, may you enjoy you new married lives together, you may find it tough saving for a deposit for your first house, and i hope you will both find work soon. I hope you are as happy as Charles & Dia...... Well all the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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