Bluetoffee Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) New to the forum, as a local and supporter of MFC I thought I’d share some stuff that could be helpful to the supporters campaign coming up to the election. I’m frankly appalled at the way the club has been treated. Frankly, it’s a wonder anything on the island gets the go ahead – oh, unless the idea starts with the council. Funny that. How can a local Conservative run council seem so at odds with the direction for the involvement of private funding and investment in projects that support the local community despite the regular comments made by Paul Carter (leader of KCC) and the Government. Like others, I’ve always been a Conservative voter, but not this time, not while certain individuals remain in place. It’s worth asking all the candidate’s views on the club’s development project though. A rebellious Tory could still be fun to watch Moore’s deal with! Edited April 26, 2011 by Bluetoffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetoffee Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 New to the forum, as a local and supporter of MFC I thought I’d share some stuff that could be helpful to the supporters campaign coming up to the election. I’m frankly appalled at the way the club has been treated. Frankly, it’s a wonder anything on the island gets the go ahead – oh, unless the idea starts with the council. Funny that. How can a local Conservative run council seem so at odds with the direction for the involvement of private funding and investment in projects that support the local community despite the regular comments made by Paul Carter (leader of KCC) and the Government. Like others, I’ve always been a Conservative voter, but not this time, not while certain individuals remain in place. It’s worth asking all the candidate’s views on the club’s development project though. A rebellious Tory could still be fun to watch Moore’s deal with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetoffee Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) Here are some links that might be useful in lobbying candidates and sitting Councillors. Here’s a full list of candidates – why not ask them about the development at the stadium. A couple of interesting wards – page 15 for Garlinge (Shirley Tomlinson); page 17 for Kingsgate (Bob Bayford); page 17 for Margate Central (Iris Johnston); page 29 for Westgate-on-Sea (Simon Moores). Here’s the list of the current sitting councillors including their contact details from the TDC website. If you can bear the self-publicising drivel, here’s a link to Simon Moores’ blog. I’m not sure HE gets the point of the strength of feeling and doesn’t seem to see that judgement around the rules is just as important as the words used to construct the rules., That MUST be the case otherwise the developer’s legal advice would not have been so at odds with the planners / politicians. And how on earth as political overseer of planning can Moores feel it’s appropriate to comment on a personal blog about such a contentious issue? Doesn't TDC have a press office? If there are any local politicians that want to support us, tell us here – I’m sure you’ll get the votes of Gate fans. Edited April 26, 2011 by Bluetoffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) Two candidates standing against Simon Moores are interesting ones.One is LYNDA ROBINSON (Labour) closely related to certain MFC members someone whom I shall be chatting to shortly & the other is DAVE BULL (Labour), a Ramsgate railway union rep & train driver.You might remember him as he was our chief steward a short while back (the quiet one). Edited April 26, 2011 by Cookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEEBEE Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 i didnt know that slug bayford lives around the corner from me,hope i dont bump in him in the local pub.last time i vote for that idiot and his cronys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wanderer Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Thank you Bluetoffee for the list of Cllr's I have already contacted my cllr I will share with you all what his views are on the Hartsdown Park development when and if I get a reply. I urge all supporters to contact their Cllr and seek his or her views on the development and then if you do not get the answer you are looking for let them know they won't get your vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On_The_Sidelines Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) Just to point out that the Council still has to follow the law of the land and even though there may be some support locally no elected ot newly elected Councillor would be able to push forward with the planning application, in fact any Councillor, especially ones with ties to the club (Lynda and Dave) would have to tread very carefully or they could face disciplinary measures if they appeared to be trying to circumvent the law. Also just to point out one more thing, I'm not a Tory voter and I'd never vote for Simon Moores but he is simply doing the job he has been asked to do, and that is to ensure that the law is being followed, he has no say over whether the plans go forward or whether they get sent back. Edited April 26, 2011 by On_The_Sidelines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wanderer Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Except your point On the side lines but can you explain why the Turner was not party to the plaining laws. I am a supporter of the Turner I hope it regenerates the town as that should be the main concern of people of the area as it effects them. If you were a property developer would you received permission to build a modern building behind a listed building and also move the lifeboat station, I think not. Though the Hartsdown Park development is subject to all the planing rules which seems to be by passed by the council to make sure the Turner was built. I have no problem with what the council did for Turner to get it built but do the same for the Hartsdown Development as it will like Turner benefit the area and the children and older members of our area. Or was it was not an idea thought up by this Tory council? We just want to be treated the same way as the Turner and please tell me why we should not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On_The_Sidelines Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I don't know what "special favours" if any the Turner centre got so I can't really comment on anything you've just written. I heard a rumour that the RNLI wants to be based on the beach as it makes launching the boat easier, not been confirmed by any official source tho... The land that Margate FC sits on is public land leased to a private company, the Conservatives laid out in their manifesto that any changes would be subject to consultation with the voting public and the process is managed by council officers not elected councillors, if the proposed changes differ enough, according to the law, then they have to be sent back and MFC and its partners will have to apply again. I know this all adds time and may or may not jeopardies the future of MFC but the law is the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEEBEE Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 special favours more like back handers weve been trying since 2006 ,they get automatic approval for a concrete green house.at least our plans blend in with the surroundings.figure that one?if they were to have had a pubic vote on that turnip center i doubt it would of got the votes we had.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margate Don Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 My problem with the position of Dr Moores and the Conservatives is that whilst they claim that the planning consent is out of their hands they also appear to be looking to take credit for looking after the interests of locals opposed to the development by ensuring barriers are put in the way. This even appears to be what is said in their manifesto. This really does seem to be a case of taking your cake and eating it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyriding Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 special favours more like back handers weve been trying since 2006 ,they get automatic approval for a concrete green house.at least our plans blend in with the surroundings.figure that one?if they were to have had a pubic vote on that turnip center i doubt it would of got the votes we had.. Agreed Graham - have you also noticed the increased volume of "New posters" - well typed and very informed posters - makes you wonder if we are being hornsawggled her mate......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadstairs Dave Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I don't know what "special favours" if any the Turner centre got so I can't really comment on anything you've just written. I heard a rumour that the RNLI wants to be based on the beach as it makes launching the boat easier, not been confirmed by any official source tho... The land that Margate FC sits on is public land leased to a private company, the Conservatives laid out in their manifesto that any changes would be subject to consultation with the voting public and the process is managed by council officers not elected councillors, if the proposed changes differ enough, according to the law, then they have to be sent back and MFC and its partners will have to apply again. I know this all adds time and may or may not jeopardies the future of MFC but the law is the law. I just hope the council stop digging the big hole before it collapses in on them. Makes you think WHY? Something not quite right about all this IMO ?.The silence is deafening. Perhaps it is their opinion that we all all mushrooms, kept in the dark and fed with compost. Places are for people! let's build a place that many can enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wanderer Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Can you explan to a non political animal was the land the Turner built on public land and subject to the same laws or can the council do what they like? Don't forget that the planning lawyers for the development advised I believe that the council lawyers were wrong to not pass these plans. I also believe that a the recent council meeting refered the develop back to the cabinet ,can the cabinet over rule the un elected officers? Also Cllr Johnson had said in a letter to the local press that she was told that the lesser plans would be delt with as an amendment by the council, and at the council meeting that the way the club had been treated had made her embrassed to be part of this council, even with political postering these are strong words. At the public meeting in Westbrook we were told by Cllr Moores that one of the reasons that the plans had been rejected was the change in the roof but the official from the developer had said the roof was to be changed but after consulting the council they left the roof the same as orginal plans, which I have had confirmed so this is why I have no confidence in Cllr Moores and that he has his facts right and that includes the council officers too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetoffee Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 I know this all adds time and may or may not jeopardies the future of MFC but the law is the law. Being an avid reader of the club's website, unless they're lying, then the club looks most likely to fold without the development. There seems little "if" about it. As for "the law's the law" it is until it's not being applied properly or it is open to interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wanderer Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I wonder how the Tory councils reputation will stand if they over see the demise of our great club, that will be good for their CV. If they want to get this development through they could do it, like Turner. It is about a will and they have no will to see this through. They speak of support for the club well we have heard the words we wait to see the action. If they want to support the club and it's community work they should meet the club as a matter of urgency as Travelodge will not wait for ever. The crazy thing is I believe the club could build a bigger development which no one wants as they have exsisting planning for this, am I correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadstairs Dave Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Correct ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEEBEE Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 see what you mean andy, makes you wonder ,if true( W A N K E R S ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Banshee Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 tried 3 times to post this as a reply to the above thread and my computer crashed each time..... The lifeboat has been moved back to its previous position so its not on the beach anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On_The_Sidelines Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 (edited) The problem that I see is that for years we've not had much confidence in what the council does or the way it does it, too many years of people getting away with stuff that can only be sanctioned by a brown envelope full of fifties... If they are now doing things by the book it was virtually guaranteed that someone somewhere would come unstuck... it may be that MFC is that someone. Regarding the suggestion that you've been infiltrated by "well typed and very informed posters" then yes I am new and I do know how to construct a sentence and also use proper words not txt talk or slang, sorry not much I can do about that, blame the A level English and A level English lit I got back in the late 80's. I use the park quite frequently, attend the odd match here and there and generally want what's best for Margate seeing as since I arrived in the late 70's it's gone from bad to worse. I also want to make sure that no-one gets a free pass that can affect the people of Margate, and if that means a public consultation regarding modifying the existing lease that MFC have to use the public land or to construct a bigger stadium then so be it. I'm interested to find out if TC got special treatment at district and county level so may well put in a FOI to find out. Oh, and yes I know the RNLI have moved back, I was mentioning a rumour that they'd like to be based on the beach permanently, but like I said I haven't had that confirmed. Edited April 26, 2011 by On_The_Sidelines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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