Guernsey FC’s arrival in to the Combined Counties, is it a step forward? Is the Respect Campaign working? Why are assaults on Referees growing?

[Guvnor No1]

Kroons you sound like that plank off tge non league radio show, did all you refs get a letter from the FA saying what to say????

 

Krooner players that I know don't want refs respect they want to go out there enjoy there football and for the referee to do his job to this best of his ability not to act like a headmaster.

[Mewcenary]

Referees already do go out there to do their job to the best of their ability.

 

Reuben (the 'plank', as you describe him is) is a very good referee and everything he says makes sense to me.

 

A referee gets a call wrong in the eyes of some of the players. Does that make him or her worthy of abuse? If a player misses a sitter, would it be appropriate for a referee to start screaming abuse at them?

 

'Passion' is no excuse for this. Dozens of other team sports have passion and a lot riding on them but you won't see the same terrible behaviour that blights our game sometimes.

 

Don't get me wrong on this: I see some OUTSTANDING sportsmanship and attitude when refereeing sometimes which really makes me smile. Those players and officials are a total credit to the game.

 

 

[Ace1]

Referees already do go out there to do their job to the best of their ability.

 

Reuben (the 'plank', as you describe him is) is a very good referee and everything he says makes sense to me.

 

A referee gets a call wrong in the eyes of some of the players. Does that make him or her worthy of abuse? If a player misses a sitter, would it be appropriate for a referee to start screaming abuse at them?

 

'Passion' is no excuse for this. Dozens of other team sports have passion and a lot riding on them but you won't see the same terrible behaviour that blights our game sometimes.

 

Don't get me wrong on this: I see some OUTSTANDING sportsmanship and attitude when refereeing sometimes which really makes me smile. Those players and officials are a total credit to the game.

 

 

 

I find the most frustrating aspect of referees is when a they make a decision, one team appeals and the opposition laugh because they see the decision is completely wrong!!! Why cannot common sense be used by the official? Some of the quotes i've heard this year could become a bestseller:

 

1. In my opinion

2. I didn't see it

3. Not from where I was standing

4. I cannot help the ref as its in the other half of the pitch

5. Only two standing

 

To name but a few!!!

 

I agree that no one deserves abuse however, most players are not paid at this level, officials are. They are paid to implement the Laws of the game and on to many occasions they get the most obvious decisions wrong and then what they do is book players to take the heat out of a situation that they have generated!!! 'Smoke without fire'!!!!!

[Krooner]

Sorry Guv that my opinion is worthless too you. I have had the pleasure of officiating you and before I met you I respected you. I also do now. You didnt have to earn my respect, you had it and it was yours to lose. I am glad to say to this day you havent.

 

In answer to you Ace

 

1 - Is what most decisions are including your differing view to the same incident

2 - This may come as a shock but it is not possible to see everything especially when you have bodies in your way. Judgement on positional skills would be in order there.

3 - Refer to 1 and 2

4 - Speak to the ref and ask what his instructions are.

5 - Ha Ha. Change the league rules

 

How about

 

1 - I got the ball (Yep after piling through the back of the player)

2 - I was never offside

3 - He was clearly offside

4 - That was our throw

5 - but you didnt give the same tackle their bloke did on me as a foul (What the one you berated me over for not giving a foul)

 

[TRS]

Reuben (the 'plank', as you describe him is) is a very good referee and everything he says makes sense to me.

 

He is a decent ref, but he's a bit vocal on the occasions i've seen him. I always get the impression that gets the players backs up a bit. He does seem to like the limelight.

 

There was another guy (youngish) who reffed one of the games I saw earlier in the season and he never shut up, really having a go back at players if they said the slightest thing.. He was even complimenting players on passes/tackles, just came over to me as far too over the top! If I was playing I would want the ref to speak when needed, explain what he was doing. Not providing a running commentary and talking to me like I was a 5 year old.

[Wattsy]

Very interesting comments in this thread guys. After what has happened to me a few weeks back I don't think I will get involved

 

I will say, the funniest thing I've heard from an official which wasn't very fair regarding this respect campaign was one opponent said "referee that was never a foul, have you ever played the game before", referee's reply "Yes thanks, I've played a lot higher than this poor standard" - That might be true, but to say it really is disrespectful to the CCL as a whole, his fellow officials and the players. I'm just glad it wasn't to me or another of our club members he'd have said it to, I certainly have taken note and reported him purely for the fact he was mocking our level and why was he even doing it ir its a 'poor standard'?

 

Anyway, enough said from me, we all know I tend to waffle

[Guvnor No1]

Krooner, I try to help refs when I play now and if a younger player does wrong and starts having a go at the ref I get him away as any senior player should.......I'm on the management side now and I tell the players all the time to leave the refs alone coz I'm yet to see one change there mind........I always go out there and try and have a laugh with the ref specially when you get older

[Guvnor No1]

Kroons top man I still respect you

[Brunty.]

This has been bugging me for the last week or so ....I think the standard of refs has gone up but there are still some that realy wind me up...

Last week against Chobham I went through on goal the keeper came out to smother the ball but the centre back who was not sure his keeper would get there kicked out at me swept my legs I fell into the keeper.

The ref blew the whistle and I thought ah brilliant he has seen it and it's a pen. NO NO he gives a free kick against me ........WTF !!!??? Everyone saw it apart from the ref. I sat on the floor in disbelief then I went to the ref and from no more than 2 yards away asked how can u give a foul against me when he just blatantly kicked me? He just ignored me... I said did you see the CB kick out at me .... He just ignored me.....I asked maybe 3 or 4 times and he just ignored me. This just wound me up and again when play stopped I asked the ref when next to him " can you just tell me if you saw him boot me of the ball thats all I wanna know" he just ignored me again. I said so i guess the respect thing is one way .... He then blows his whistle and has a word with me telling me to shut up.... I never shouted or swore at him I just asked him a simple question and he just refused to speak to me and was ignoring me in such a smug way. I just dont know why some refs can't speak to players. On that day the ref showed no respect in my opinion. I always try to get along with the refs , try and have a laugh and joke with them and I alwas shake their hands after the game. Win or lose. All he had to say was sorry I didn't see it or some thing like that it would have calmed the situation down completely he could just make something up like a player was in my view and I couldn't be sure .... Anything but just being ignorant. Surely it is the refs job to manage the players not to wind them up.

Rant over !!

[Terrence Collina]

The handshake thing is pointless. It started at Euro 96 and Stuart Pearce hit the nail on the head when it was noticed that he was not looking at the opposition when shaking hands. "I'm just about to do battle with them". Not quite the same, but you wouldn't shake someones had before punching them.

 

There were a lot of very good referees when I first started playing CCL 11 years ago, but it was before the major development of TV. You now have 20 odd cameras at every game meaning every decision is now analised by a bunch of ex-professionals, some of which can't speak English properly and have a limited vocabulary. How many times do you hear Lee Dixon say 'again'. The refs back then probably made similar mistakes as the guys now do, but it was not a scrutinised as much.

 

As much as players may deny it, they see it on the TV and so therefore they think it can be done at their level. The FA don't help with their insistance on fast tracking officials who are not ready yet, and making good referees stop because they are too old. If they can do the fitness test, what is the problem?

 

The FA shoot themselves in the foot at this by having one rule for the pro's and another for the lower levels, silly things like goalkeepers cannot wear black, or the same colour as the other goalkeeper.

 

The FA have finally acted on the swearing that is seen on the TV by giving Rooney a ban for it and you could argue that it cost his team a place in the FA Cup final. Unless the FA continue to do this, it would have been a pointless exercise.

[Krooner]

Good post Brunty and I think you make some very valid points. There are some bad refs and I have been told I am on many occasions but I tried to speak with the players and if they asked I would answer their questions. He should not have ignored you Brunty but at least had the decency to answer your question as it appears it was put in a non confrontational way.

 

I am sure you remember when I sent a HW player off and you amnogst the majority of your players felt I was wrong. I am also sure Molly will tell you it was the correct decision. I had a number of HW players having a go and did my best to explain my decision. The problem I find is a player will only ask when he knows he doesnt like the answer and the amount of times I have either then been asked the question again and again or I am interrupted when I am trying to answer.

 

I do not think you will ever remove instances of what you mention above I just honestly think that it is worse than ever at the moment and as TC says a lot of it comes from above and until the FA get much much stronger against clubs I fear it will not.

[Ace1]

Sorry Guv that my opinion is worthless too you. I have had the pleasure of officiating you and before I met you I respected you. I also do now. You didnt have to earn my respect, you had it and it was yours to lose. I am glad to say to this day you havent.

 

In answer to you Ace

 

1 - Is what most decisions are including your differing view to the same incident

2 - This may come as a shock but it is not possible to see everything especially when you have bodies in your way. Judgement on positional skills would be in order there.

3 - Refer to 1 and 2

4 - Speak to the ref and ask what his instructions are.

5 - Ha Ha. Change the league rules

 

How about

 

1 - I got the ball (Yep after piling through the back of the player)

2 - I was never offside

3 - He was clearly offside

4 - That was our throw

5 - but you didnt give the same tackle their bloke did on me as a foul (What the one you berated me over for not giving a foul)

 

 

Great reply Krooner, we could do a combined quotes book!!!!

[Mewcenary]

As a quick serious answer, there is a reason an Assistant Referee won't flag for 'obvious' fouls sometimes. It depends on the briefing he or she has received from the Referee. If they've said, "Only flag for things within your 'third' of the pitch" then that's it. Another typical one will be, "If I've said NO then don't go against me".

 

Other quotes...

 

"It's his first one, ref!" (tackled player on the ground, leg pointing in a strange direction)

 

"It's only dissent if I swear at you, ref".

 

"It's not the Premier League, ref" (Normally said to me at Fan Focus Charity Events by mothers of players )

 

"REEEEFFFFFFF!!!!!!!" (normally after a foul on the half-way line, and from the keeper, who definitely has a better view than the referee, and despite not a single player in the vicinity having a problem).

 

 

[VPCTFC]

As a quick serious answer, there is a reason an Assistant Referee won't flag for 'obvious' fouls sometimes. It depends on the briefing he or she has received from the Referee. If they've said, "Only flag for things within your 'third' of the pitch" then that's it.

 

This is one of the things I don't get. Why would a ref say that to an assistant?

I can understand it when there are club linos, but official assistants are there to help the refs.

Is a ref seriously saying that, if he's facing the other way and a lino sees someone punching someone off the ball, he's not to flag for it if it's not within his area of the pitch?

It's very frustrating as a supporter when you're certain the assistant's seen something but he doesn't point it out to the ref probably because he's been told not to. I don't think it does the assistant much good either as it makes them look incompetent.

[Krooner]

Violent Conduct is a different matter VP.

[Smudge]

Shaking opponents hands should be banned,on health and safety grounds anyway.How do you know where his hands have been prior to the Match.Think all Clubs,should have Alcohol Rub Dispensers,beside the Pitch,if this ludicrous hand shaking is to continue.When Players,Managers, and Refs.show some respect at the Top Level,and the F.A. deal with it with an iron fist,then maybe,but only maybe,will they earn my Respect.

[Brunty.]

Yeah shaking the keepers hand when he has been spitting on his gloves lol

[JPH]

Ive been on the line on this league since i was 15 and I really enjoy it, was tough at first being the age i was and players would put pressure on me but I was always honest and did my best. 7 years on and I am still about, still on the line but now combining this with a coaching job in a Centre of Excellence. I still get the odd comment about being young but I have got to know certain players and managers over the years and that has lead me in good stead when i go to certain grounds. The coaching helps me see both sides of the argument and i can sympathise with certain players and I try to promote this when I am on the bench side by answering questions when people ask, but never getting in to an argument. This 99% of the time gets a positive response from the benches, maybe some of my fellow officials will say thats the wrong way to do it and may get me into unecessary problems but like i said players and managers respect you more for it.

 

I suppose what im trying to say is no official sets out to have a bad game, they all have different refereeing styles in the same way coaches have different coaching styles some work for some players some dont but i suppose thats what makes football the game we love.

 

War and peace over,

 

J

[ShiftyOnFire]

Yeah shaking the keepers hand when he has been spitting on his gloves lol

 

Always have my gloves off when doing the shakey Hand respect thing! I spit on my gloves & it even grinds my gears wen the oppo keeper has his on.

[Terrence Collina]

i dont't spit on my gloves. I put water in my mouth and then spray it on them, but not pure gob.