Nail your colours to the mast - yes or no to Chris Kinnear as manager

[I am Spartacus]

Lets do what we as supporters havent done for ages today and get behind three lads and the NEW manager and show the league we aint done yet

 

What about the other 8 + 3 subs?

[Pridders]

Edited April 22, 2011 by Pridders

[Frankie100]

 

 

Sour grapes???? lol

[BUFC]

 

who did you want?

[BUFC]

 

 

Sour grapes???? lol

 

And CK is nowhere near as qualified as Pratters,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[lion]

Bits of paper dont mean a thing.

[dannyriding]

Bits of paper dont mean a thing.

 

 

They do if they are printed with £50 and the queens head on em

[Pridders]

 

 

Sour grapes???? lol

 

LOL

 

 

 

Sour grapes???? lol

 

And CK is nowhere near as qualified as Pratters,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

 

Bits of paper dont mean a thing.

 

Yawn Yawn Yawn - Boring Gentleman, change the record!

[lion]

Your the DJ Pridders, you do it.

[Pridders]

Your the DJ Pridders, you do it.

 

Ahhh the ignorance of the ill informed

[dannyriding]

Your the DJ Pridders, you do it.

 

Ahhh the ignorance of the ill informed

 

 

Truth be known this thread has gone off track and should really be stopped (Beth jump in .....) Pridders has not slagged anybody off on here (BUFC you included) but to slate the guy because he has an opinion and has the gumption to write it on here is no reason to be offensive, however there are some on here that need a slap for their bare faced objection for no reason but to stir and induce arguments (JJ take note..) is purely wrong for a forum based on supporting OUR local team.

[wade]

Well said - at times it has seemed like the playground. We are all fans of this club (i hope) so lets stop the insults

[Pridders]

Your the DJ Pridders, you do it.

 

Ahhh the ignorance of the ill informed

 

 

Truth be known this thread has gone off track and should really be stopped (Beth jump in .....) Pridders has not slagged anybody off on here (BUFC you included) but to slate the guy because he has an opinion and has the gumption to write it on here is no reason to be offensive, however there are some on here that need a slap for their bare faced objection for no reason but to stir and induce arguments (JJ take note..) is purely wrong for a forum based on supporting OUR local team.

 

Belated Thanks for that one Danny

[michael]

At some point in this or a similar thread-i posted that i thought it was wrong to appoint CK second time around.

 

It was me who was wrong.

 

I have been impressed with his interviews;and in the current situation of the club with all sorts of off field on going issues-i think it takes a calmer more mature person to see through it all-and just get on with it.

 

I also think this will lead to more mutual respect and trust between board and manager.

 

I have consistently said that managers are given too much freedom-and someone needs to manage the manager.

I suspect inCK's case-that is not the case.

 

He is obviously mature and above all intelligent enough to see through all of the nonsense- will have the necessary broad shoulders and has in essence-'seen it all before ' and will just get on with it and take the knocks in his stride.

 

Yep-board were right to make the appointment ,and strike me down for my initial doubts.

[suggzy]

Short answer is YES, from me.

 

However, a few notes:

 

1) The decision to give IOC the boot was, I am afraid, typically short-sighted. The assumption that the sort of AMAZING turn around of results and league position that those who hire and fire want is possible, is misguided. What we will see by the time things come to an end on Saturday is something like a 20 per cent improvement (in league position, at least - the points improvement, I concede is marginal); and for the first time in 3 seasons we have comfortably stayed in the league and have been safe for a while. A handful of games could have gone the other way, and we might have sneaked up to halfway. Quite an achievement, all things said and done. Therefore a word of thanks to the outgoing manager.

 

2) Everybody knows the major difficulty is one of a planning and political nature. The club has been kicked around endlessly, ever since old HDP came down. It's clear there is the will and investment to succeed amongst those in the team seeking to rebuild the physical infrastructure of the club. Endless presentations and plans and re-hashes to suit the proclivities of those on TDC in attempting to bring off something that should have been done and dusted long ago. If only one knew the final solution to this problem of vagueness and shoulder-sloping amongst those 'in charge' of just green-lighting what is a modest and non-invasive development (so far as I can see, although from 250 miles away).

 

3) In the light of issue number 2 apparently going back into the melting pot, CK is a good choice. I think his huge experience and his ability to judge the quality of existing players AND his ability to cut deals on new ones means he stands a good chance of bringing off at least a promotion to Conference South. However, those in charge and responsible for his contract need to understand it might take, what, another 3 or 4 seasons to make it happen? Right now, I'd take 60 points and a top ten finish next year. Very happily. The fact we've appointed the man who 'did this before and can therefore do it again' is not a panacea for all of our ills. The upward curve from a tributary of the Southern League to overnight top of the table in the Conference last time around was a very steep one, and it is not realistic to expect this to happen again (at least not at that speed). Let the manager have time to work on the team, away from the issues of the ground, and we can, perhaps, hope for incremental progress back to the second tier, and some big matches against the like of D*ver and Woking and so forth.

 

I think he's a good choice. He'll bring overall solidity and respect from younger players having the chance to work with something of a legend of the non-league. I hope we can keep him long enough to send a team out, whatever league they are playing in, onto the turf of a redeveloped stadium. Chucking him out again in 12 months' time just because he hasn't achieved the impossible would be another big mistake. I really hope that doesn't happen.

[Coffin Ender]

Another point is that having sacked him before (and regretted it) the board will be very reluctant to do it again. CK also has massive credit with most supporters so it's unlikely there will be calls for his head if we don't start next season so well.

[dannyriding]

Another point is that having sacked him before (and regretted it) the board will be very reluctant to do it again. CK also has massive credit with most supporters so it's unlikely there will be calls for his head if we don't start next season so well.

 

 

I think the key to this thread is "achievable TIME" - as has been stated before many times on here the manager needs realistic goals to aim for and to widen those goalposts at the last minute helps no-one, so we as supporters and the board who pay the wages need to settle in for the longhaul cos it aint appening over nite.

[BJM]

Short answer is YES, from me.

 

However, a few notes:

 

1) The decision to give IOC the boot was, I am afraid, typically short-sighted. The assumption that the sort of AMAZING turn around of results and league position that those who hire and fire want is possible, is misguided. What we will see by the time things come to an end on Saturday is something like a 20 per cent improvement (in league position, at least - the points improvement, I concede is marginal); and for the first time in 3 seasons we have comfortably stayed in the league and have been safe for a while. A handful of games could have gone the other way, and we might have sneaked up to halfway. Quite an achievement, all things said and done. Therefore a word of thanks to the outgoing manager.

 

2) Everybody knows the major difficulty is one of a planning and political nature. The club has been kicked around endlessly, ever since old HDP came down. It's clear there is the will and investment to succeed amongst those in the team seeking to rebuild the physical infrastructure of the club. Endless presentations and plans and re-hashes to suit the proclivities of those on TDC in attempting to bring off something that should have been done and dusted long ago. If only one knew the final solution to this problem of vagueness and shoulder-sloping amongst those 'in charge' of just green-lighting what is a modest and non-invasive development (so far as I can see, although from 250 miles away).

 

3) In the light of issue number 2 apparently going back into the melting pot, CK is a good choice. I think his huge experience and his ability to judge the quality of existing players AND his ability to cut deals on new ones means he stands a good chance of bringing off at least a promotion to Conference South. However, those in charge and responsible for his contract need to understand it might take, what, another 3 or 4 seasons to make it happen? Right now, I'd take 60 points and a top ten finish next year. Very happily. The fact we've appointed the man who 'did this before and can therefore do it again' is not a panacea for all of our ills. The upward curve from a tributary of the Southern League to overnight top of the table in the Conference last time around was a very steep one, and it is not realistic to expect this to happen again (at least not at that speed). Let the manager have time to work on the team, away from the issues of the ground, and we can, perhaps, hope for incremental progress back to the second tier, and some big matches against the like of D*ver and Woking and so forth.

 

I think he's a good choice. He'll bring overall solidity and respect from younger players having the chance to work with something of a legend of the non-league. I hope we can keep him long enough to send a team out, whatever league they are playing in, onto the turf of a redeveloped stadium. Chucking him out again in 12 months' time just because he hasn't achieved the impossible would be another big mistake. I really hope that doesn't happen.

 

 

All very sensible comments - in particular the ground being the key factor in any progression on the pitch and also the time given to IOC before he was sacked. Would be interested to know the length of CK's contract? In his previous time here CK had, presumably,a much bigger budget and consequently a larger playing squad which reflected the larger crowds at that time. Will he be able to manage this time round with a smaller budget and playing squad? What do people think?

[Twist&Shout]

I personally would like to see CK try and get hold of a few 18/19/20 year olds released by league clubs..they won't require too much money (a scholar in league 1 gets paid about £40 a week) and they will be able to play at ryman prem/conf south and conf level

[michael]

Cue-usual debate this time of year.

 

Local talent/'don't get anywhere with kids'/not physically developed to cope with ryman/need a mixture etc.etc.etc.

 

Think this time i'll sit this one out and leave it to CK to produce a team good enough to see us to mid table safety next season