Reply to Cllr Janik

[Louise]

Cllr Janik, I have extracted the following quote from you taken from the Kennedy Park - Aerial Photo's thread which had strayed a little off topic. To view the post in it's original thread click here.

 

I feel that you have made a number of points that may otherwise get missed, so I have started this new thread.

 

 

On 21/09/03 Cllr Janik (posting as Anonymous} said [color:"blue"]"Louise, I never said Kennedy Park was perfect. However I usually prefer green grass to concrete and tarmac.

 

For a nice view of Britwell climb the mound. For an even better view of the surrounding area go to the fifth floor of the Wentworth Avenue flats.

 

Britwell residents have wanted COMMUNITY facilities on Kennedy Park like ONE not 4 football pitches, a swimming pool and sports centre.

 

However shops, offices, hotel and houses on Kennedy Park are definitely not on the residents' priority list.

 

It will be a fight to save Kennedy Park and I am confident it won't be easy for Labour-controlled Slough Borough Council and the get-rich quick STFC scheme. Kennedy Park belongs to Britwell and should not be used as a solution to Labour's dislike of a few STFC supporters hanging about outside the Town Hall making a nuisance of themselves.

 

319 attendance at Saturday's game in Windsor. How many of those were STFC supporters?

 

STFC need a stadium and they could, and should, use Belfast Stadium until they have so many supporters they have to consider bigger premises. Then that move should be to Slough Trading Estate not Kennedy Park.

 

Just a personal opinion freely expressed as a resident of Britwell to those selfish and short-sighted supporters whose greed for Britwell's green spaces needs to be challenged.

 

Lets be honest, STFC wants to make millions of pounds out of Britwell and the vast majority of that commercial development will not benefit Britwell. Instead the profits will flow out of Britwell leaving us with a few crumbs plus massive local disruption and the permanent lost of our Kennedy Park.

 

A cynic telephoned me during the week suggesting that after next year's local elections Cllr Anderson will let the STFC stadium matter drop. I don't know if that will actually happen. I accept the commercial business known as STFC needs a stadium so why are you lot so reluctant to tackle the Thorne-Deaner conflict and try to resolve it? Scared, haven't a clue or just not bothered? I've previously mentioned in this forum my willingness to have a go as part of a committee despite not being interested in football (my school played rugby).

 

If anyone is genuinely interested in forming a roughly 50% supporters 50% non-supporters committee to try and solve the Wexham Park problem let me know. Email me at football@pauljanik.com No jokers, no crap just ability needed.

 

Sorry ladies and gentlemen that's my person opinion as a resident. Even if I was not a councillor my views on Kennedy Park would be the same.

 

I like green spaces, it must be in my blood".[/color]

 

 

 

Who owns Belfast Stadium? Has it ever been offered to us as an option? - not to my knowledge but I may be wrong.

 

What is it used for at present? I know the place as it adjoins my old school, but it's very small as I remember and there are no parking facilities unless Herschel or The Centre could be used. I have no idea what capacity it holds and whether it would meet the appropriate regulations for use at our level. Is it a serious option or a red herring?

 

Cllr Janik, I really do feel that you are misjudging STFC supporters here - we are the ordinary people who just turn up week after week to watch our team....granted we would gain a home for STFC at long last, but I can honestly say that I don't think any of us would want a stadium sited where it would deprive residents of existing facilities and/or where there was genuine majority opposition. We are not greedy, short sighted and selfish as you suggest - quite the opposite.

 

By your logic nothing would ever be built anywhere - I like green spaces as much as the next person and I would say that Britwell residents would seem to have considerably more access to beautiful green spaces than the vast majority of Slough residents with Burnham Beeches right on their doorstep ......

 

I also can't see why you assume that any commercial development will not benefit Britwell at all. Construction work will provide jobs and so will retail/commercial units. You say "profits will flow out of Britwell", well if these developments are funded by private concerns, naturally they are in it to make profits, in exactly the same way as any business on Slough Trading Estate or the High Street etc. They will pay the appropriate taxes to local and central government and generate revenue in the same way as any other commercial concern - you may as well say that Slough Trading Estate is of no benefit to anyone - yes, it clutters up lovely green spaces but it does enable local people to afford to live.....

 

As for the Thorne/Deaner situation, I think a dialogue there is far from as easy as you assume and I will let others with greater knowledge of that situation comment.

 

Until the feasability study is completed surely none of us know what is really intended for the site? I don't know what community facilities are planned - I certainly hope there are some, but as I don't and I suspect neither do you, getting bitchy and negative at this point seems futile.

 

 

[Guest]

Well said. Interesting that the esteemed councillor has shown his total lack of knowledge of Stadium capacity requirements.

[Guest]

Well put Louise,

Mr Janik's ploy of keep mentioning Belfast Avenue Stadium is indeed a red herring.

But I would like to ask Mr Janik one question,as he keeps on so much about green spaces-can we as Slough People who were born and bred in the District have our green fields back,that his estate is built on-could he knock his house down so we can see the grass again,would he like to tell all his residents to go back to London.Of course he wouldn't.so as he lives on green spaces belonging to us-can he please SHUT UP.........THANKYOU.

[Guest]

These green open spaces aren`t used for what they used to be used for, how many kids do you see over kennedy park putting jumpers down for goalposts and playing football over there. All i ever see in that so called open field is burnt out cars, but if that is what you prefer to look at in Britwell then you are welcome to it Cllr Janik.

[P Janik (personally)]

[color:"red"]Louise wrote

 

Cllr Janik ..........

 

[color:"blue"]I wrote as a RESIDENT and in a personal capacity. Until you accept that fact I do not wish to respond.

 

[GarySTFC]

Cllr Janik / Mr Janik / Paul - whichever you want, you've still got some outstanding questions of mine to answer. I'm still waiting.

[P Janik (personally)]

[color:"red"]Anonymous wrote:

But I would like to ask Mr Janik one question,as he keeps on so much about green spaces-can we as Slough People who were born and bred in the District have our green fields back,that his estate is built on-could he knock his house down so we can see the grass again,would he like to tell all his residents to go back to London.Of course he wouldn't.so as he lives on green spaces belonging to us-can he please SHUT UP.........THANKYOU.

 

[color:"blue"]Oh dear, another person who hasn't a clue about Britwell.

 

Britwell was never in SLOUGH until years after it was built when Slough extended it boundary northwards. When I came to Britwell in 1957 we were in Farnham Royal according to our postal address and in ERDC's area (Eton Rural District Council).

 

So hands off our green field, please <img src="/images/graemlins/achso.gif" alt="" />

[P Janik (personally)]

[color:"red"]Anonymous wrote:

These green open spaces aren`t used for what they used to be used for, how many kids do you see over kennedy park putting jumpers down for goalposts and playing football over there.

 

[color:"blue"]Why are you having difficulty understanding the vast difference between a public open space, Kennedy Park, controlled by Slough Borough Council and lacking a football pitch for children and youths with ......

 

10,000 capacity football stadium

200 beds hotel

4 pitches

offices

shops

up to 300 houses

 

Just curious.

 

[color:"red"]All i ever see in that so called open field is burnt out cars, but if that is what you prefer to look at in Britwell then you are welcome to it Cllr Janik.

 

[color:"blue"]Just because Slough Borough Council does NOT do a good job on Britwell there is no justification for covering our Kennedy Park in concrete and tarmac.

 

When was the last time you saw a burnt-out car on Kennedy Park?

 

 

[Paul]

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I wrote as a RESIDENT and in a personal capacity. Until you accept that fact I do not wish to respond.

That'll be because you can't then.

[Barry Scott]

exactly where are we supposed to play in the trading estate? are transport links better in there? are there any 12-16 acre spaces there?

[Guest]

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P Janik (personally) said:
[color:"red"]Louise wrote

Cllr Janik ..........

[color:"blue"]I wrote as a RESIDENT and in a personal capacity. Until you accept that fact I do not wish to respond.[/color]

OK then no problem...I assumed you'd just forgotten to log in as I've done myself every now and again, so please accept my apology for calling you Cllr Janik.....

I fully accept the above fact, so now you can go right ahead and respond.....

[Louise]

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Anonymous said:

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P Janik (personally) said:
[color:"red"]Louise wrote

Cllr Janik ..........

[color:"blue"]I wrote as a RESIDENT and in a personal capacity. Until you accept that fact I do not wish to respond.

[/color]

OK then no problem...I assumed you'd just forgotten to log in as I've done myself every now and again, so please accept my apology for calling you Cllr Janik.....

I fully accept the above fact, so now you can go right ahead and respond.....

[color:"green"] Oops, quite genuinely I posted the above as Anonymous 'cos I'd forgotten to log in....apart from feeling like a complete nit, I just wish to state that the above is me.....I'll get me coat <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

As I said above, I accept the fact that you were writing in a personal capacity and so now invite you to respond....

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[Paul]

Councillor Janik,

 

Could I just point out that you are saying you like green open spaces and complaining about 4 football pitches.

 

A football pitch is "A prepared area of grass on which the game of football is played" which, I'm sure you will agree is a green open space.

[Guest]

 

 

Oh dear, another person who hasn't a clue about Britwell.

Quote from councillor Janik

"Britwell was never in SLOUGH until years after it was built when Slough extended it boundary northwards. When I came to Britwell in 1957 we were in Farnham Royal according to our postal address and in ERDC's area (Eton Rural District Council)" Regardless of which council negotiated what,you have not answered the question of the fact that you live where green fields once flourished-so if you return the land to its original state,then and only then do you have an argument-otherwise you are saying one rule for you and another for everyone else.

 

 

 

 

[P Janik (personally)]

To Louise and everyone else,

 

I'm glad you appreciate that even registered users, for example you and me, can sometimes post "anonymously" by mistake.

 

As for a reply - perhaps tomorrow night. Its now Monday and I'm going to spend the next few hours typing casework items on behalf of residents. None of which are about our park.

 

Paul.

[Guest]

Louise Spot on !

 

I am afraid that mr Janik has no clue about the Thorne's situation, this is a very tough nut to crack, they too are property developers and STFC is reluctant to (go back into bed with them) unless we can secure the future of Slough Town Football Club, its self ! (under ownership of the new trust) but we would not be able to sustain a viable football club, unless each and every resident could pay us one pound each year ! This would give us the base line to keep the club going, but this would require Wexham Park Stadium coming back under our control...we have been pushed from piller to post for years now - and finally we get a chance (without tax payers money) to get a new home for STFC and have sufficant money plowed back into the club from some of the ventures on this proposed site, to keep us viable for the future PLUS offerring a chance for Britwell to receive long over due improvements to the area , with added benifits for local residents (there will be) ..but all your arguements is to keep the green spaces and then blame Slough Council for not improving the area (with Tax payers money) ... wake up and smell the coffee....or should that be MARS !

 

This project with constructive imput, could be the making of the area ! and its about time you look forward and not backwards and negative about everything.

 

STSA will work with all parties on this to ensure the locals residents view are looked into and within reason be included into the project...

 

 

[Paul]

We're still waiting.

[Louise]

Dear me, this thread is gathering cobwebs waiting for [color:"red"]Mr [/color] [color:"blue"] Janik[/color] .....

 

*Looks at watch, starts humming and tapping foot*........

[GarySTFC]

As the good old song goes....

 

Why are we waiting, oh why are we waiting!

[Nathan]

We are dehydrating!