Swearing at games

[Chris]

The club ran a promotion yesterday to entice families to bring their kids to matches and get a healthy attendance of 301. Lots of kids in the ground yesterday, so no need for swearing in my opinion.

Edited April 10, 2011 by Chris

[BFR]

The club ran a promotion yesterday to entice families to bring their kids to matches and get a healthy attendance of 301. Lots of kids in the ground yesterday, so no need for swearing in my opinion.

 

I appreciate that now I'm a dad bringing his kid to matches, my opinion on these things may be very different to 7 or 8 years ago when I was among the most gobby of supporters. That said, I don't ever remember standing on the terraces and swearing for the sake of it., which is what the goal kick 'banter' was. From what I could see Adil, towards the end of the match your mates were getting quite embarrassed by what you were doing. I think that should tell you all you need to know.

 

 

 

[HorshamRebel]

I'm with everyone else on this.

 

There is no need for swearing for the sake of it, which is what those chants are. They are just childish behaviour at whatever level of football you are watching.

 

Also, you must have thought you might have been causing an issue of some sorts, as you have felt the need to start this thread.

[Chris]

One last thing to say is swearing can lead to trouble on occassions, which we could do without at the moment as these next few months are vital in our quest to hopefully get a new ground and return to the Borough. We need to show we are a community club (which we are) and avoid negative press.

Edited April 10, 2011 by Chris

[HEAVY TRUCKER]

using oaths or swearing as it is casually known,is universally acceptable even though the saints on here would have you believe otherwise, it is used by the highest to the lowest echelons in the land , why it is even deemed acceptable for the bards work to be laced with "swearing" to make it more acceptable for modern ears, near enough every tv program you can watch these days are full of expletive deletives,even presenters on the hallowed radio 4 have been caught swearing. as for protecting our little darlings you have only to go past a school these days and you will hear things that will make a sailor blush, it has got so much in to our modern language i'm not so sure most people know when they are swearing or when they are not, and for those that think people look idiotic when they are swearing "they who live in glass houses should not throw stones" because when you swear (and you will) you will look the bigger idiot, so all i have to add in summary is everybody does it but if you can just try and keep it in context and keep it down.

 

 

I don't think anyone is claiming they don't utter the occasional swear word. I don't agree however with the attitude that it's tough if young children are there, I'm gonna continually swear anyway and it's your fault for bringing them. That's wrong.

i never claimed it was tough just inevitable and that if you bring children to a game you should be aware that it is going to occur, the only way you are going to protect children these days from profanity is possible to educate them in a trappist monastry as just about every where you go they are going to be exposed to it, perhaps if you explained what was being said and what it meant and how un cool it made them look and sound you could prevent the profanities from spreading.

[HEAVY TRUCKER]

PEOPLE BE AWARE THIS IS THE WORLD WE ARE LIVING IN, WITH THE INUMERABLE WARS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE AT THIS MOMENT AND NATURAL DISASTERSTHAT HAVE OCCURRED RECENTLY I THINK THAT IT IS TIME TO KEEP THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE AND SWEARING IS NOT BY ANY MEANS A GREAT DISASTER.

Edited April 10, 2011 by HEAVY TRUCKER

[Ian]

i never claimed it was tough just inevitable and that if you bring children to a game you should be aware that it is going to occur, the only way you are going to protect children these days from profanity is possible to educate them in a trappist monastry as just about every where you go they are going to be exposed to it, perhaps if you explained what was being said and what it meant and how un cool it made them look and sound you could prevent the profanities from spreading.

 

No, it was Adil that basically said that it was tough if kids were there although he's subsequently retracted that comment.

[Rebel Kay]

When we first started attending matches at WP we chose to stand behind the goal after the first few games as the language where we first started off standing was rather strong for our then five year old.

 

Language behind the goal has its moments but on the whole isn't too bad and we have had to explain to the following two kids who have been coming since they were days old that there are certain things that they will hear that they shouldn't repeat, On the whole it has worked over the years.

 

The youngest will report bad language and occasionally tell the perpetrator off.

 

I accept that they will hear things that they might not hear elsewhere and hope that they wont repeat it. However excessive swearing really ins't necessary and it is appreciated that people do generally think about who is around them before they let flow. We all have the odd slip though.

 

 

 

I dont expect people not to swear, just to think about who is listening when they do so excessively

[Adil Berdai]

yeah i agree, it did sound like i was saying i would swear at you because you have a child but i wont swear at the adult next to me because he hasn't got a kid, sorry for saying it was an ignorant comment mate, i understand your view of my comment.

Yeah it's a bit like being green, we all want to but we don't have to, i'd rather go to a game without swearing myself, i swore today and yes that chant was not needed, i don't go to many games due to transport problems but yeah i wouldn't like to sit next to me who chants YOU FAT [****!!****] everytime a keeper takes a kick. so i would like to take this time to appologise to anyone i offended today.

 

Apology accepted Adil.

 

I've no desire to see the club turn into the Mary Whitehouse Institute Of No Bad Language, but at the same time would rather people gave a little thought to their own and other supporter's image. Remember STFC does not have a huge fanbase. The actions of one supporter may well reflect badly upon all the rest. The best way to attract support isn't to encourage the image that we couldn't give a monkey's of what other people (particularly people with young children) think!

 

Yeha i guess swearing gives any human being a bad image and swearing at a game will give the club a bad image over time. We have a small fanbase when we play in this league, but god knows where they all come from when we play big team lol

[Mark44]

For my two pence worth.

 

I agree that there are kids around etc but sometimes we cannot help swearing at football games. Its all part of human nature. I swear at games sometimes but its because i get so into the game that I do it. You would never hear me swear outside of games in normal day to day life.

 

I think that we cannot say that you cant swear at a game because it is going to happen.

 

However, putting swearing into chants is wrong in my opinion as this is deliberate. I was not at the game on Saturday and haven't been for a while but I don't think we have enough of an atmosphere. I am glad that you have started chanting at games Adil as maybe we can diversify from the usual 3 or 4 we sing (don't get me wrong, these are awesome chants) and create more of an atmosphere.

[Mr Rebel]

heat of the moment gets to most and frustration due to being desperate for the team to win can result in venting strong words in anger unfortunately that will never change

 

must say just to swear for the sake of it is ridiculous especially if there is nothing that has sparked such a strong reaction

 

Adil - if you manage to get to more and more games having you to help kick off the existing chants could be useful as as said we are down to 2 or 3 these days. i know you say you have transport troubles which is understandable as Beaconsfield is hard to get to without own transport. out of interest when/if we get a ground in Slough would that help your situation? hopefully will as it will with many others fingers crossed being based in Slough

[Windsor Rebel]

Is it wrong to swear at home games?

i heard a few people swear at todays game (9th April against Northwood) including myself

I was chanting OOOOOOOO YOU FAAT [****!!****] AHHHH!!! everytime their keeper took a goal kick, and to be honest their keeper was as skinny as a stick but it brought atmosphere and a great laugh between our fans.

well most fans were okay with it and had a laugh about it, but except a few, they looked at me like to say i should be ashamed, but should i?

Football is a family game i understand, but is taking away swearing wrong? i think so

opinions please

 

Singing you fat [****!!****] to a keeper who was that skinny is not going to win you any BAFTA awards for comedy genius is it?

[Adil Berdai]

I appreciate that now I'm a dad bringing his kid to matches, my opinion on these things may be very different to 7 or 8 years ago when I was among the most gobby of supporters. That said, I don't ever remember standing on the terraces and swearing for the sake of it., which is what the goal kick 'banter' was. From what I could see Adil, towards the end of the match your mates were getting quite embarrassed by what you were doing. I think that should tell you all you need to know.

 

 

 

 

Yeah towards the last 20mins i carried on for no reason, mates wern't too pleased, i believe it was due to going from 2-0 up to 2-2, it's always been my problem, i never know when enough is enough, I would like to hear your opinion, was the chant to far or was it okay,? you're a dad and i would just want to know what you think of swearing around him at matchdays.

[Adil Berdai]

Is it wrong to swear at home games?

i heard a few people swear at todays game (9th April against Northwood) including myself

I was chanting OOOOOOOO YOU FAAT [****!!****] AHHHH!!! everytime their keeper took a goal kick, and to be honest their keeper was as skinny as a stick but it brought atmosphere and a great laugh between our fans.

well most fans were okay with it and had a laugh about it, but except a few, they looked at me like to say i should be ashamed, but should i?

Football is a family game i understand, but is taking away swearing wrong? i think so

opinions please

 

Singing you fat [****!!****] to a keeper who was that skinny is not going to win you any BAFTA awards for comedy genius is it?

 

chanting it to a 30stone keeper isn't going to win you a BAFTA award anyways you ********!

Edited April 11, 2011 by Matt
Moderation!

[Ian]

Swearing in the songs etc gives me more of problem, coz the kids learn the songs and have been heard to sing them to different audiences.

 

Sometime amusing watching the shocked face of grandparents

 

Kay

 

 

[Adil Berdai]

heat of the moment gets to most and frustration due to being desperate for the team to win can result in venting strong words in anger unfortunately that will never change

 

must say just to swear for the sake of it is ridiculous especially if there is nothing that has sparked such a strong reaction

 

Adil - if you manage to get to more and more games having you to help kick off the existing chants could be useful as as said we are down to 2 or 3 these days. i know you say you have transport troubles which is understandable as Beaconsfield is hard to get to without own transport. out of interest when/if we get a ground in Slough would that help your situation? hopefully will as it will with many others fingers crossed being based in Slough

 

 

Yeah Mr Rebel is will be amazing for me as i live around the corner from the future stadium, I blame transport but it isn't always transport, it's money aswel, it will cost me £5 for the bus £4 match day tickey and then another £5 for food, I'm 17 so i can't always ask my parents for money. I really do hope we get a decent number of supporters when the stadium is complete.

[Windsor Rebel]

Dear oh dear, looks like we have uncovered another Einstein

[grandad]

answered your own question in that last post have n't you? No need for an abusive response was there. You are trying to win people round, and keep digging yourself further in! Just because it is a football ground and/or forum does not make swearing acceptable, when you would not do it at home or in the high street. I admit that on occasions it will just slip out, but doing it for effect is just plain old attention seeking. In my opinion a thread on here asking if swearing is acceptable at matches, just plays into the hands of any nimby's who wish to oppose the new ground.

[Nathan]

chanting it to a 30stone keeper isn't going to win you a BAFTA award anyways you [****!!****]!

 

Swearing on an internet messageboard isn't going to win you any awards for objective discussion is it? Or make you any friends for that matter.

 

Edited April 11, 2011 by Nathan

[SloughClarets]

Swearing in the songs etc gives me more of problem, coz the kids learn the songs and have been heard to sing them to different audiences.

 

Sometime amusing watching the shocked face of grandparents

 

Kay

 

 

 

 

 

I have tried to stay out of this topic as i could go on for ages, as i have many different views.

 

I take my kids along to the football and in a nutshell, swearing as a spontaneous way of expressing your views, is always going to happen. The kids know it s wrong and thankfully don't copy. It is part and parcel of being on the terraces and as long as it is not every second word from fans then it kinda goes un-noticed by the kids. Occasionally you get the idiot that can't say a single sentence without swearing and that can get really uncomfortable for me as a dad with the kids. But generally does not cause to much of an issue.

 

However swearing in chants is always picked up by kids and they do copy, I am sure they replicate the actual words with friends, but thankfully not in front of me. They have managed to adapt songs though without the swearing, such as at Swindon this year the chant WE ALWAYS GET SH** REFS was sung again and again and automatically they changed the words to WE ALWAYS GET RUBBISH REFS so could sing along, However they come to the football for the atmosphere and love to get involved in songs, however it is hard for them if the whole chant is centered around swearing.

 

I agree with some of the posts above that a chant/song is far more enjoyable and inventive without the swearing. I remember back in the 90s when i first heard the chant. Your not very good, your not very good, your not very.............. it was new and although simple had a bigger effect due to no swearing.

 

I am no Saint, and when at a game without the kids i am not so careful with my language however i take into consideration if other peoples kids are close by and normally only when im amongst 1000 of others. I think at smaller grounds you need to be much more mindful of families, that don't have the option of a family stand. After all we want as many families to come as possible. Fans of the future and all that.

 

Wow that was some nutshell.