Margate v Harrow updates

[Twist&Shout]

Its hard isnt it because to get a real good manager at this level you need to have the money to pay him/her good money, have a good budget for players so that its worth them coming...its really difficult

 

 

[BUFC]

I'm sure you're an expert on Gary Abbot GA11 and have extensive knowledge of his managerial achievements so for lesser people please tell us why he should be our manager.

 

Because his surname is the same as a lovely real ale

[Twist&Shout]

I'm sure you're an expert on Gary Abbot GA11 and have extensive knowledge of his managerial achievements so for lesser people please tell us why he should be our manager.

 

Because his surname is the same as a lovely real ale

 

oooo would they sponsor us next year if he comes and give us a free keg per game???

[P.W.]

I don't think there is any rush to get a new manager at the moment. Gary Abbott was a legend at Aldershot and their all time highest goal scorer. However he is another manager with no experience at Ryman premier level or above. Can we afford to take a gamble on another manager with no proven track record at this level? Look at the last few managers we have had and their experience. Apart from Terry Yorath who was probably the opposite with too much experience, but who had little non league experience.

Understand what you're saying, but a Ryman Premier/Conference South level Manager might just break the budget, which will probably be squeezed again ... so that could leave us recruiting exclusively from the Kent League.

I think one of the problems Iain had was that he wasn't given enough time. People remember the good times that we had under Chris Kinnear & once he got the right players in, playing to his style, the success was there to be seen. However he was recruited in 1996 but we didn't get promoted to the Southern League Premier until the last match of the 1998-99 season (no instant success). If we are to get out of the Ryman Premier (or at least start competing regularly in the top 8 of this League we need patience from the Board with the Manager. I'm not sure that Iain was the right man, but his squad will not have to be reprieved from relegation by the misfortune of other teams ... which should have been recognised as the first step back on the road to success (shouldn't it?).

Edited April 3, 2011 by PeterW

[marksandwell]

One Stat i find interesting is with only ONE exception of Sutton, we have not beaten anyone else in our League from the top half of the table. As it stands as of today the nearest is Wealdtsone at 12th.

[michael]

As otherss ay-it all went wrong after |Hill left the stage-and correct- unfortunately Winchcombe was exposed..Agree-not his fault-easy to be wise post event-but again-as others say -Robinson should have gone to left back as i think Groombridge and cloke could just about cope in a back 4.

 

Bluntly-i allocate this defeat to MR Raine.

 

No mention of Langainnol and Miller.

 

I was surprised langianno taken off-was he injured ?

 

I have been posting that we are crying out for a central midfielder-i thought Langianno did ok there.

 

In fairness-Miller did ok as well..

 

I would have thought it better to have brought Miller on for Pinnock and have a central midfield of wilson,miller and Langianno to gain control of midfielf-but what little do i know.

 

I am afraid as most of us know-Pinnock is not a midfield player-as looked particularly out of salts yesterday.

 

Next season-more of the same i am afraid,now that IOC has left.

 

 

Never IOC's biggest fan-but continuity is so important.

 

We start afresh again-you can bet that the 'Dover' players who IOC brought in will leave'and it takes more than a season to build a team.

 

 

We are surprised at Harrow-but should we be - what have they got-continuity of manage whose been there a while and a similar team to last season-thats why they are doing quite well.

 

Who is winning the league-sutton-why-continuity of manager-last year people expected them to go up-but again-it takes more than a season.

This season-they do it.

 

So for me-expectations already downgraded to mid table medicrity again for next season-and just hope we get a decent manager who maybe can generate some excitement through a cup run and be allowed to lead us to promotion in two seasons time

[marksandwell]

Could someone work out the Stats, be interesting to see the teams in the top half of the table v teams in the bottom half with comparison to the length of their current serving Manager.

[Margate Don]

Could someone work out the Stats, be interesting to see the teams in the top half of the table v teams in the bottom half with comparison to the length of their current serving Manager.

 

Mark

 

I think these are about right (if I'm up to date with managers) and might be of interest. Sorry about attaching as a picture but couldn't find a way to insert a list - I'll have to ask Peter!

 

Don't trust the stats though because it's a circular argument - clubs doing well (except Man City & Newcastle) keep their managers; clubs doing badly don't. But then a couple of exceptions in the bottom half of the table with some of the longest serving managers.

[BUFC]

Could someone work out the Stats, be interesting to see the teams in the top half of the table v teams in the bottom half with comparison to the length of their current serving Manager.

 

Mark

 

I think these are about right (if I'm up to date with managers) and might be of interest. Sorry about attaching as a picture but couldn't find a way to insert a list - I'll have to ask Peter!

 

Don't trust the stats though because it's a circular argument - clubs doing well (except Man City & Newcastle) keep their managers; clubs doing badly don't. But then a couple of exceptions in the bottom half of the table with some of the longest serving managers.

 

Colin McBride isnt HX Manager

[marksandwell]

Could someone work out the Stats, be interesting to see the teams in the top half of the table v teams in the bottom half with comparison to the length of their current serving Manager.

 

Mark

 

I think these are about right (if I'm up to date with managers) and might be of interest. Sorry about attaching as a picture but couldn't find a way to insert a list - I'll have to ask Peter!

 

Don't trust the stats though because it's a circular argument - clubs doing well (except Man City & Newcastle) keep their managers; clubs doing badly don't. But then a couple of exceptions in the bottom half of the table with some of the longest serving managers.

Thank you thats quite interesting

[Margate Don]

Should be Jim McFarlane at Hornchurch who's been there about 1.75 years I think. I guess a notable feature is apart from Billericay all top half teams have had managers in place for over a year.

[Cookie]

Ummm 10 out of the top 11 have been there for 3 years or more whereas in the bottom 11, 7 have been there for 3 years or less. interesting stats.Thanks Don.

[Coffin Ender]

Another way of looking at it is where are our ex-managers since CK now? Trott, Yorath and Butler are all out of football management (the first two seemingly permanently). Ashby is Welling No. 2.

[P.W.]

I think that the chart posted by Don illustrates the point I was trying to make earlier in the thread. When we appoint a new Manager we must appoint him for at least 2 - 3 years. The Board must back the next incumbent with both time & a realistic budget. With the turnover of Managers we have had since the dismissal of CK we are currently in danger of becoming a joke in football and this must put off the better candidates.

It surely must be obvious that the most successful periods Margate have coincided with long term Managers ... Almer Hall, Les Riggs & Chris Kinnear.

[Coffin Ender]

Which of the recent managers should we have kept? And why haven't any of them had success elsewhere (as a No.1) since?

 

 

 

[Wellsie]

It's never as simple as just stick with the manager recruited although that's what every board would prefer to do at the outset. For the most part, the same fans advocating that approach would call for the manager to go if the club went down! Even Man U went through a few managers in quick succession before Alex F.

 

As well as the results, the manager will be judged on his approach, budget management, style of management, relationship with players and directors etc. And a lot of that happens behind the scenes and is never evident to supporters. As ever, there's always more to it than meets the eye.

[BJM]

It's never as simple as just stick with the manager recruited although that's what every board would prefer to do at the outset. For the most part, the same fans advocating that approach would call for the manager to go if the club went down! Even Man U went through a few managers in quick succession before Alex F.

 

As well as the results, the manager will be judged on his approach, budget management, style of management, relationship with players and directors etc. And a lot of that happens behind the scenes and is never evident to supporters. As ever, there's always more to it than meets the eye.

 

 

You would say that Wellsie would'nt you? To be clear, are you referring to any Manager in particular or did the succession of Managers fired by the club

all fail in all these areas? You were obviously privy to information that the "failed Managers" were not.

As this was on the forum and not the club website, is this your personal opinion? You don't make it clear or whether you are responding to anyone in particular? I wonder why you felt it necessary to comment at all in either your official or unofficial capacity. As ever, as you say there is always more to it than meets the eye, repeatedly in the Club's case with so many "failed Managers", including a very successful one in CK. But as we all know he was also fired. Lets hope that Kevin Raine or his successor/ successors will be made fully aware of all these expectations and that the "goal posts", financial or otherwise will remain the same throughout the season.

[wade]

New manager, same old story. Agan we are all stating factors that were evdent in the game which the manager could not react to.I know it is easy to comment from sidelines but plese lets find a manager/coach who can read the game and react to our opponents changes. On saturday we went from a commanding position to being well beaten. With the players we have (and most of us would keep 8 or so of them) it is not acceptable.

[DomBlueBoy]

Previously, on a topic about IOC, Wellsie (in his official capacity) said very clearly that the club would always sack a manager in 6 months or a year if he wasnt exactly achieving the target eg promotion or play offs.

 

This tells us all we need to know about the club - Its disgusting.

[Twist&Shout]

New manager, same old story. Agan we are all stating factors that were evdent in the game which the manager could not react to.I know it is easy to comment from sidelines but plese lets find a manager/coach who can read the game and react to our opponents changes. On saturday we went from a commanding position to being well beaten. With the players we have (and most of us would keep 8 or so of them) it is not acceptable.

 

8 or so?

 

would have to disagree with you there Wade. I think if we want to push for promotion next season or in 2 seasons we need to replace a lot of players..maybe keep 4 or 5

 

Im not going to list who I would keep and who I wouldnt because I dont think that is fair and everyone has their own opinion.

 

One thing I hope that will happen is that young players like Dan Langiano (hopefully spelt right) and Courtney Robinson get a chance in the first team next season, even if it is just sub appearances, covering for injury / suspension..