Decisions and facts

[Wellsie]

With some trepidation, I just wanted to say a couple of things about the current situation.

There will be no further statement about Iain’s departure. The relevant facts are in the official statement. The exclusive on Your Thanet is not accurate – a point I have pointed out to their reporter. Any suggestions of deviousness based on information from someone close to the club that contradict the official statement are themselves not accurate.

 

Hopefully Iain will have the time between now and the end of the season to start to find a new club; something he would have less time to do if the decision to not renew his contract was not communicated to him until the end of the season.

 

You can be assured – although I’m sure some people will choose to ignore the assurance – that the club desperately wanted Iain to succeed; particularly given his playing association with the club. I’ll also say again that the club have what we believe to be a competitive budget – one that the directors believe should be sustaining a higher league position through better results than we have actually achieved.

 

I also wanted to address another issue. There will be no details about the situation behind players leaving the club. If players are comfortable about sharing their motives – more money for example – then I’m sure they will use their social networking accounts to air their grievances if they want to. Most obviously choose not to, so it would be disrespectful of the club to do so.

 

It’s tough to take these decisions from the club’s perspective, but it’s tough for supporters too, we appreciate that. But the directors – all supporters of the club as well – take the decisions they do in the best interests of the club. People may disagree with the decisions, but that doesn’t change to motives behind them.

 

I hope you’ll take this rather long post in the spirit with which I intended; to provide what clarity I can behind the decision and to again reassure supporters that we remain committed to giving you facts when we can. But I also want to be truthful in saying that there will also be details across the club that we will not put into the public domain for a number of reasons.

 

So for today, COME ON CRAIG CLOKE, JAMES PINNOCK & WAYNE WILSON’S BLUE & WHITE ARMY!

 

Edited March 19, 2011 by Wellsie

[dannyriding]

With some trepidation, I just wanted to say a couple of things about the current situation.

There will be no further statement about Iain’s departure. The relevant facts are in the official statement. The exclusive on Your Thanet is not accurate – a point I have pointed out to their reporter. Any suggestions of deviousness based on information from someone close to the club that contradict the official statement are themselves not accurate.

 

Hopefully Iain will have the time between now and the end of the season to start to find a new club; something he would have less time to do if the decision to not renew his contract was not communicated to him until the end of the season.

 

You can be assured – although I’m sure some people will choose to ignore the assurance – that the club desperately wanted Iain to succeed; particularly given his playing association with the club. I’ll also say again that the club have what we believe to be a competitive budget – one that the directors believe should be sustaining a higher league position through better results than we have actually achieved.

 

I also wanted to address another issue. There will be no details about the situation behind players leaving the club. If players are comfortable about sharing their motives – more money for example – then I’m sure they will use their social networking accounts to air their grievances if they want to. Most obviously choose not to, so it would be disrespectful of the club to do so.

 

It’s tough to take these decisions from the club’s perspective, but it’s tough for supporters too, we appreciate that. But the directors – all supporters of the club as well – take the decisions they do in the best interests of the club. People may disagree with the decisions, but that doesn’t change to motives behind them.

 

I hope you’ll take this rather long post in the spirit with which I intended; to provide what clarity I can behind the decision and to again reassure supporters that we remain committed to giving you facts when we can. But I also want to be truthful in saying that there will also be details across the club that we will not put into the public domain for a number of reasons.

 

So for today, COME ON CRAIG CLOKE, JAMES PINNOCK & WAYNE WILSON’S BLUE & WHITE ARMY!

 

 

 

A concise and respectable post Wellsie and hopefully answered some questions on this subject. Am wondering if the Mods can draw a line under this subject and we can move on to the real matter in hand........ winning today . Lets face it 99.9% of people on here just want to see MFC succeed and move on to bigger and better things, we will all disagree on one subject or another but the long short and tall of the matter is what goes on behind the scenes is really not "OUR" business until it infringes on our enjoyment of the game/money/personal well being. So time to get behind the team fellas and may we continue to do for years to come..... NUFF SAID

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Twist&Shout]

Thanks for that Wellsie

Edited March 19, 2011 by GA11

[DomBlueBoy]

Wellsie - why do the club believe that they have the divine right to be in he play offs and/or promotion when the last 2 seasons have ended with the club in the relegation zone , and would have been relegated if it wasn't for other clubs misfortune ?

 

Where will it end , will a manager get sacked every season if not running away at the top of the league ?

 

The club is seriously delusional and need to get real and stop with this insistence that we are better than we actually are . We haven't been a good team for years .

[dannyriding]

Wellsie - why do the club believe that they have the divine right to be in he play offs and/or promotion when the last 2 seasons have ended with the club in the relegation zone , and would have been relegated if it wasn't for other clubs misfortune ?

 

Where will it end , will a manager get sacked every season if not running away at the top of the league ?

 

The club is seriously delusional and need to get real and stop with this insistence that we are better than we actually are . We haven't been a good team for years .

 

 

If I were to buy an expensive car I would expect it to perform to its best and if I were to buy and expensive meal I would want that meal to taste every bit as good as the menu suggests, the point Im trying to make is that after 3 or so months the manager did not seem to be utilising the not unsubstantial qualities of the players in his squad. Ive read on here many times that we should/could be at a higher position with the players we have got and yes without doubt we should be but unfortunately our position tells the true story and that story is that IOC isnt cutting it with the players he has at his disposal.

Now please dont think Im an anti-IOC guy cos those of you that know me will different, but on a realistic note if your not getting what you have paid for ----- you send it back ..... if your not happy you get rid, sad state of affairs I agree cos Iain is a really nice guy and he could probably given more time keep us mid-table this and next season.

The crux of the matter is that the Board have given Iain certain criteria to aim for this season and in no small amount a lot of money that "Someone" has to find if we the supporters arent filling the stands. We as supporters sometimes expect far too much from MFC (we are all dreamers ) but reality has hit us round the chops as the board has obvioiusly had enough of subsidising low gates cos lets be honest with each other "Whos got a FEW grand spare" each week to top up the wages cos us fickle supporters arent / cant be bothered to turn up and watch the guys play Ryman standard football.

By the way Dmblueboy this post wasnt aimed at you and was in no way derogatory to your post.

[DomBlueBoy]

A very good post DannyRiding .

 

But my post was aimed at Wellsie so would really like a reply from him ! He

Is the clubs voice.

[Wellsie]

Wellsie - why do the club believe that they have the divine right to be in he play offs and/or promotion when the last 2 seasons have ended with the club in the relegation zone , and would have been relegated if it wasn't for other clubs misfortune ?

 

Where will it end , will a manager get sacked every season if not running away at the top of the league ?

 

The club is seriously delusional and need to get real and stop with this insistence that we are better than we actually are . We haven't been a good team for years .

 

You can accept these answers or not - your choice, but:

 

1. No we don't but we do have ambition which I think is shared by the majority of supporters. The club has been focusing on sustainability as well as providing a decent playing budget. Long term objectives remain the same - a return to the Conference.

2. If we don;t get exactly the right person and / or they do not meet the onjectives agreed when they sign, thats a possibility although not ideal of course.

3. Rubbish - completely disagree.

Edited March 20, 2011 by Wellsie

[DomBlueBoy]

Answer 2 - surely the whole point of interviews is to appoint the correct manager in the first place ?

 

So the club are saying that it's a possibility a manager will get sacked during the season if things aren't going exactly the right way ?

 

As I said previously the last 2 years we should have been relegated in normal circumstances , this season we are mid table - this is an inprovement . Did the club seriously think they could go from relagation to play offs in one season ?

[Cookie]

Answer 2 - surely the whole point of interviews is to appoint the correct manager in the first place ?

 

So the club are saying that it's a possibility a manager will get sacked during the season if things aren't going exactly the right way ?

 

As I said previously the last 2 years we should have been relegated in normal circumstances ,this season we are mid table - this is an inprovement . Did the club seriously think they could go from relagation to play offs in one season ?

 

I'm not Wellsie but I'll give my personal answers to your questions from my point of view.

 

1/2) When a manager is appointed I would imagine those that appoint him think at the time that he can do a job.If subsequently that manager, for whatever reason, fails in that job then yes the board will have made an error but at the time of appointment hindsight wasn't around to tell them that. With every appointment of a manager in any club there are no guarantees.

3)The board,like most of us on the terraces feel that the next season could be a better season & see us promoted. Thats natural isn't it? .The board of this club has masses of ambiton & that can be seen in many diferent ways.Us on the terraces have or should have that same desire to go forward. So yes i.m.o. & of many others I'm sure I think it IS reasonable to believe that going from a relegated side to a promoted side is a possibility & can be achievable. Sadly it dosent always work out that way.

I tell you this,this board is Margate through & through,they have been here for as many years as I have (or maybe a few less l.o.l.) & will do everything they can to get us back up with the elite in non-league football. I see absolutely nothing wrong in thinking this way.

 

How about giving them some praise for a change. It is often said "how do we put up with this board" well I am telling you now I wonder how they put up with some of us sometimes..

Edited March 20, 2011 by Cookie

[Wellsie]

Answer 2 - surely the whole point of interviews is to appoint the correct manager in the first place ?

 

So the club are saying that it's a possibility a manager will get sacked during the season if things aren't going exactly the right way ?

 

As I said previously the last 2 years we should have been relegated in normal circumstances , this season we are mid table - this is an inprovement . Did the club seriously think they could go from relagation to play offs in one season ?

 

I'm really started to get stumped with these questions, but I do want to try to be as open as I can and I think we are much more open than most clubs. Having said that, I'm approaching my own personal brick wall!!!

 

Anyway, when you thknk about it, it is nonsense to suggest that any club - including this one - appoints a manager they expect to fail; from Man City to Margate. Real life though - football or business - would suggest that very little is for ever and the more results focused the occupation, the more likely managerial changes are to happen.

 

On the second point, expectations were much higher this season than bottom four, for a number of reasons. And I'll do no more than point to Lowestoft, Bury Town, Dover Athletic and even Ramsgate about how clubs can and do progress rapidly from the bottom of the deivision or below, and achieve good results.

 

Am going to find a darkened room to lie down in now.

[AncientBlue]

Answer 2 - surely the whole point of interviews is to appoint the correct manager in the first place ?

 

So the club are saying that it's a possibility a manager will get sacked during the season if things aren't going exactly the right way ?

 

As I said previously the last 2 years we should have been relegated in normal circumstances , this season we are mid table - this is an inprovement . Did the club seriously think they could go from relagation to play offs in one season ?

 

I'm really started to get stumped with these questions, but I do want to try to be as open as I can and I think we are much more open than most clubs. Having said that, I'm approaching my own personal brick wall!!!

 

Anyway, when you thknk about it, it is nonsense to suggest that any club - including this one - appoints a manager they expect to fail; from Man City to Margate. Real life though - football or business - would suggest that very little is for ever and the more results focused the occupation, the more likely managerial changes are to happen.

 

On the second point, expectations were much higher this season than bottom four, for a number of reasons. And I'll do no more than point to Lowestoft, Bury Town, Dover Athletic and even Ramsgate about how clubs can and do progress rapidly from the bottom of the deivision or below, and achieve good results.

 

Am going to find a darkened room to lie down in now.

 

 

I've been sitting here trying to read some of the bloody silly questions that some people expect you to answer Wellsie and shaking my head in amazement . . . You have the patience ot a Saint Wellsie . . . go to your quiet room with some pleasant music of your liking and a large bottle of your favourite tipple . . . and don't come out again until the dust has settled on these issues.

Edited March 20, 2011 by AncientBlue

[DomBlueBoy]

Jose Mourinho, the best manager in the world, wouldn't be able to get the current team promoted in one season . Jose would get sacked!!!!

 

The reason I address questions to Wellsie is because he is a official of the club so should be able to give straight honest Answer and a decent conversation can occur.

[dannyriding]

"Jose Mourinho, the best manager in the world, wouldn't be able to get the current team promoted in one season . Jose would get sacked!!!!"

 

Thats a matter for debate - and some would argue Sir Alex Ferguson was!!!