3G/4G Pitches

[chris sliski]

Outline drafts ... Eddie ...things are not a black or white until the final planing applications are made !

 

The agreement is to have housing and a new community stadium.. on the old Arbour vale site.

 

now the work begins...

Edited February 25, 2011 by chris sliski

[codpiece]

The original plans were just outline plans , of where things could be put on the site ,

this will need a lot of tweaking I guess ?

and a more detailed plan , I would have thought is being worked on..

 

Thus the reason for this posting to get some good ideas from you our supporters..

 

cheers chris s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well blow me, after all the draft plans that have been drawn up and altered over the past months/years, I'm sure I read that an agreement was reached on the final stadium/complex plans.

Do we know if any input has gone into the plans from the visit to Rijnsburgse in Holland in 2008? Looks very impressive.

http://www.rijnsburgseboys.nl/pics/bureaubladen/tribune1024.jpg

[Rebel_Glen]

Click on the below link of a discussion on a non-league forum regarding 3G/Artificial pitches that may be of interest.

 

My link

[3spirit]

Click on the below link of a discussion on a non-league forum regarding 3G/Artificial pitches that may be of interest.

 

My link

 

 

Cheers,Rebel Glen,for sharing that info with us.After reading that forum I think we should stick to grass!

[brighton_rebel]

Here's my contribution to the debate http://sloughtownsoapbox.blogspot.com/2011/03/3g-or-not-3g.html

 

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[chris sliski]

Thanks Warren ...makes good reading and financial sense...The FA cant even administer themselves, so I dont think we would have a cats hell in chance to get the

FA to approve , this for the FA cup , why not allow them upto the 3rd Round proper ..this would give the non league a chance to improve their lot and be financially viable too.

 

I think FIFA has got this one right ...and the FA need to listern ....for once.

 

chris s

 

 

Thanks Warren ...makes good reading and financial sense...The FA cant even administer themselves, so I dont think we would have a cats hell in chance to get the

FA to approve , this for the FA cup , why not allow them upto the 3rd Round proper ..this would give the non league a chance to improve their lot and be financially viable too.

 

I think FIFA has got this one right ...and the FA need to listen ....for once.

 

chris s

 

[Rebel_Glen]

Thought the below would be of interest in the ongoing debate of 3G pitches (taken from www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum)

 

According to today's Sutton Observer, the club are in the final stages of gaining permission to replace the pitch with a 3G surface. Just awaiting final confirmation from the EvoStik League and the FA, and they want to be ready to go for the new season.

 

This move, which also affects tenants Romulus, will mean (a) no FA Cup games at Coles Lane ( no FA Trophy ties from the 1st Round Proper and © no promotion to Step 2 (Blue Square). Both clubs are currently Step 4, and a spokesman for Sutton indicated that they wouldn't be able to sustain Blue Square North football even if they managed to acheive 2 x promotions. Any home cup-ties will need to be played "elsewhere".

 

I've got mixed feelings really .... I guess at the end of the day, though, needs must, there will be commercial benefits and enhanced community links with local schools, so on - and the pitch currently does resemble something out of the Oklahoma Dust Bowl.

 

How many more teams at this level have gone / might go this way.

 

http://www.thisissuttoncoldfield.co.uk/sport/Royals-set-ahead-revamp-facilities/article-3423875-detail/article.html

[Tom]

This move, which also affects tenants Romulus, will mean (a) no FA Cup games at Coles Lane ( no FA Trophy ties from the 1st Round Proper and no promotion to Step 2 (Blue Square). Both clubs are currently Step 4, and a spokesman for Sutton indicated that they wouldn't be able to sustain Blue Square North football even if they managed to acheive 2 x promotions. Any home cup-ties will need to be played "elsewhere".

 

That maybe the case for Sutton Coldfield whose attendances are poorer than Slough's. I'd like to think that if/when Slough moves back home it's attendances would increase and increase to a stage where it could sustain Conference football once again. I for one wouldn't like to risk promotion up the pyramid just for some short term possible gain through a 3G pitch. Potentially that pitch could be in place for just one season (on a hypothetical case of Slough gaining promotion to the Conference South one season after moving to the ground, assuming they are in the Southern Premier Divison) - for a £500k outlay for a season's possible "gain" that is ridiculous. I'd rather the club spent on improving the ground through more covering, terracing or seating for example.

 

From what the initial plans look like it seems that there will be a 3G training pitch big enough to hire out for 5 and 11 a side, so a compromise has been made on that side, I see no need for another one given other local options for 3G pitches UNLESS the FA gives approval for it's use throughout the league and competitions.

 

the pitch currently does resemble something out of the Oklahoma Dust Bowl.

That could be sorted through decent care and attention that I'd like to think the new ground would have.

[readingrebel]

the pitch currently does resemble something out of the Oklahoma Dust Bowl.

 

 

Because of all the dry weather one would hope that the pitch has been watered.

 

But then again probably a silly question.

[Martin]

Completely agree Tom and hope the club make a decision on that basis. We have to be aiming high and I think we should be looking at the Blue Square South as a minimum within years of getting back to our home town.

 

I can also assure you that you cannot play normal football on a 3G pitch as my knee still hasn't healed following the game at Rugby.

[Staines-upon-Thames Rebel]

Having seen the way the ball bounces, or should I say does not bounce on the Rugby pitch the supporters played on, I think the very high initial layout of money does not ballence comapared to a well looked atfer pitch.

 

Games will still be canceled on a 3G pitch if we have the same amounts of snow as we had this year.

 

And to those who say it will stop a backlog of games at the end of the season - how many Thursday games are we playing?!

[readingrebel]

The only other surface worth considering is the 'Desso' surface that Arsenal etc play on and then it will come down to cost.

 

 

[Tom]

Some interesting talk on 3G pitches on this weeks Non League Show from Dave Anderson, Sutton Coldfield and a view from the FA.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/london/hi/tv_and_radio/newsid_9481000/9481548.stm

 

From about the 52nd minute onwards.

[Don Juan DeMarcus]

3G pitches are good for schools/sunday league but should not be used for league/non league football, the bounce is awful the ballspins on, and less they are VERY wellmaintained get destroyed quickly or resemble a sand pit.....

 

My opinion after playing on them A LOT!

 

 

[Don Juan DeMarcus]

Also 3 4/g pitches take a blade not a stud and a trecherous in rain!

[staines_rebel_Jr]

I completely agree with Marcus.

 

 

Personally i would rather play on beaconsfields bobbly pitch than a 4G pitch as the likely hood is the pitch won't be looked after well enough due to the fact the club doesn't have enough money to hire someone to look after it properly.

 

Also slide tackling becomes sometimes dangerous for the tackler as they rise cuts, grazes and even burns. Plus the sand will then enter the cuts which is never good.

 

 

[Tom]

Just to clarify we are talking about the pitches that contain rubber, rather than sand.

[chris sliski]

rubber balls !

[staines_rebel_Jr]

rubber balls are just so annoying, they stay in you shoes for days afterwards so that is no better than sand.

 

Plus with the rubber balls it means the ball will bounce anywhere far to unpredictable

[Don Juan DeMarcus]

I was under the impression all 3/4 g pitches contained some sand, and even those that dont tend to have sand placed across to help drying/ wear. If a completely non-sand version is around great. The only really good synthetic pitch ive played on is Burnham Grammar's Tiger Turf (but a grass pith which is level and with drainage is peferable)

 

Isnt a ground cover and undersoil heating cheaper than a synthetic pitch? I have no idea but would imagine so