It's gone

[Eastside Urchin]

Football has finally flipped

Over 35 million pounds for Andy "smash a bird in the gob" Carroll,anyone who continues to pay money to watch top flight football should be tranquillised and taken away by blokes in White coats

While the country is apparently struggling scum like this is no doubt being paid over 100 grand a week,it's time to stop this sh1t

[blackballed]

Thats one I have to agree with ...................... Thanks Sky for f_ck_ing up our football ..................

 

 

[Hasbeen]

Thats one I have to agree with ...................... Thanks Sky for f_ck_ing up our football ..................

 

 

 

Ditto

[Ian_W]

and clubs like Windsor & Eton will fold this week over a 60K bill to the tax man.

[obis]

True words

[cup of tea]

Imagine what an investment of £35M into the infrastructure of non-league football could do.

Carroll has had a half decent season but he cannot guarantee you 20+ goals a season yet as he is largely untested.

Madness

[Eastside Urchin]

It's ridiculous and someone should do something about it but they won't,while this sort of money is being spent the FA won't care as it looks good on them,FIFA won't care as it also looks good on them

[missunderstood]

It's ridiculous and someone should do something about it but they won't,while this sort of money is being spent the FA won't care as it looks good on them,FIFA won't care as it also looks good on them

 

 

Perhaps if every non league club threatened to refuse to play in the FA Cup for one season the FA would be forced to treat smaller clubs with a bit more respect than we get now. It wont happen though because old values like sticking together and sacrifice no longer exist.

[I am Spartacus]

The only winners on transfer deadline was HMRC as Vat is charged on transfers between UK clubs.

 

Nice little earner for the goverment what about giving 10% of the Vat to non-league and grassroots football?

[Urchins]

It's ridiculous and someone should do something about it but they won't,while this sort of money is being spent the FA won't care as it looks good on them,FIFA won't care as it also looks good on them

 

 

Perhaps if every non league club threatened to refuse to play in the FA Cup for one season the FA would be forced to treat smaller clubs with a bit more respect than we get now. It wont happen though because old values like sticking together and sacrifice no longer exist.

 

At the top levels football isn't a game anymore, its a business. They're run by businessmen who are powerful not only in their own industry but within the FA. There is no way on earth they would sanction giving money to clubs at a lower level - why should they ? Would Tesco give money to Morrison's to help them to be more competitive ?

 

I agree the recent transfer fees are madness and I am amazed that clubs with large levels of debts are allowed to spend the amounts of money they are spending. I personally would question whether they should be allowed to be called 'clubs' any more.

 

However, for any business, if no-one buys their product they will fail. We can blame Sky for this lunacy, but if everyone stopped subscribing to Sky Sports then sponsors will drift away and they will disappear. We are all partly responsible, but we still hold the trump card IMO.

Edited February 1, 2011 by Urchins

[UD161]

While I agree with all the sentiments, is this not what has happened in the non-league game and indeed (without wishing to invite a torrent of abuse!!) what happened at Hornchurch to an extent and a host of other Clubs in the area??

 

How have Windsor got into debt?? Presumably by not managing their finances properly and paying over the odds for players, both in transfers and wages?? Exactly the same as what happened at Canvey, Grays, Hornchurch................. One bloke wants to turn it into a play thing, pushes up the value and wages of all potential players, other Clubs try to keep up when they don't have the cash, and eventually the whole thing comes crashing down!!

 

What Colin appears to be doing at Hornchurch now is how a non-league club should be run where they are looking to be self sufficient, the same as how a few clubs higher up the leagues are trying to do the same for their level as well.

 

Yes, these fees are a joke, as are the wages, but so is it a joke when you hear of non-league clubs on crowds of a couple of hundred paying thousands a week in wages to their players. The world, and the game of football, has indeed gone mad (and did a long time ago).

[aka PeteBeatz]

Think the Queen should bail out Windsor.

[cup of tea]

No abuse from me over Hornchurch - what happened there in the past was clearly unsustainable and Colin is still attempting to pick up the pieces from the aftermath.

The problem now is that there are some well run non-league clubs that are still hitting financial difficulties - the money just isn't there in non-league football

Yes, you are still going to get the odd club living beyond it's means, but I think that the economic condtiions will surely temper even the most gung-ho of chairmen.

[Eastside Urchin]

yep,we were one of the first in a long line of clubs to have hit problems and we have learnt from it albeit slowly over the last 6 or 7 years.Saying that,i would not change what happened as we had some good times and without that we probably wouldn't have a club to support or know each other.We all know clubs are going to spend above their means hoping for that 5th round pay out at Old Trafford but until strict controls are put in place this will carry on being a major problem.

The thing i am more concerned about is the way the game at the top end of the scale has become so far removed from the non league game its like it is a completely different game.And to think some fans of clubs like Arsenal/West Ham/Spurs/Man utd actually laugh at the likes of us Hornchurch and to a lesser extent nowadays Dagenham fans because we support less fashionable,smaller clubs,when we probably spend a 10th of what they spend watching the game in every way from admission/away travel/merchandise/pies/drinks etc etc the list goes on.Tell me,who are the real mugs!!!

[missunderstood]

While I agree with all the sentiments, is this not what has happened in the non-league game and indeed (without wishing to invite a torrent of abuse!!) what happened at Hornchurch to an extent and a host of other Clubs in the area??

 

How have Windsor got into debt?? Presumably by not managing their finances properly and paying over the odds for players, both in transfers and wages?? Exactly the same as what happened at Canvey, Grays, Hornchurch................. One bloke wants to turn it into a play thing, pushes up the value and wages of all potential players, other Clubs try to keep up when they don't have the cash, and eventually the whole thing comes crashing down!!

 

What Colin appears to be doing at Hornchurch now is how a non-league club should be run where they are looking to be self sufficient, the same as how a few clubs higher up the leagues are trying to do the same for their level as well.

 

Yes, these fees are a joke, as are the wages, but so is it a joke when you hear of non-league clubs on crowds of a couple of hundred paying thousands a week in wages to their players. The world, and the game of football, has indeed gone mad (and did a long time ago).

 

 

Your right when you say that the world of football has gone mad, and the more I think and learn about that madness the less I actually like football, and if that madness turns off a lifelong supporter I wonder what effect it has on potential fans.

 

The trouble is that we are all guilty of moaning about it but show very little enthusiasm for collectively correcting all the injustices in the game.

 

Lastly, returning to a favorite theme of mine, I have long felt that there are too many clubs, and not enough fans to let all the clubs be viable, so it could be argued what has happened to W&E and other clubs is a natural culling process, so I wonder if any statistician amongst us knows how many non league clubs entered the FA Cup in years gone by,

Edited February 1, 2011 by missunderstood

[Eastside Urchin]

i agree there,but no one seems to wants to challenge the game at the top

[aka PeteBeatz]

Big money in football is a two-edged sword. When we at Hornchurch were a struggling Isth.div 3 side and getting knocked out of the F.A.Cup by almost park sides like 'The FC 61 Luton' and 'Arundel', would any one of you honestly say you would have turned down the offer of the money that came to this club. We all enjoyed the ride knowing the bubble would burst. THIS MADNESS IS CALLED FOOTBALL AND ITS WHAT WE ARE.

[UD161]

But it's not just at the top is it Rob, thats the point. Yes, the game has become far removed from the real world at the top level, but things have got out of hand at all levels. As Misunderstood has put it though, we all say it, but we are all guilty. I can sit here and say I think it's disgusting, and the whole thing is a circus, but there I was last night, sitting watching it all happen on SSN, and there I will be (probably) on Sunday sat down watching SKY Sports paying my whatever a month (you would have to ask er indoors what we pay!?!?!), and as long as me and millions of others carry on doing it, the circus will continue.

 

And it's the same even with the non league game. I take on board what you say, but the main reason clubs are paying more wages than they can afford is because the players essentially dictate the market, and while there are some clubs in each area willing to pay above a certain level, then all the clubs in that area will follow suit. Unless all the Clubs put more stringent checks and caps in place and all the Clubs agree to stick to it, then things will carry on. And while not knocking you at all mate, your comment that "you wouldn't change what happened as you enjoyed some good times" is fair enough, but is exactly the same as supporters of all clubs at all levels will be thinking when their club is the one splashing the money. It won't be until a famous old club goes out of existance at League level that people change their point of view on that.

 

I do though agree with what you say about supporters of Prem teams and their attitude and what mugs they all are if you look at it. I take West Ham fans for instance (and I have 100s of family and friends this applies to). They all moan about what a shambles their club is, how it is overpriced, rubbish blah blah blah, but then they all just grunt when I suggest the only way to make their point is by turning their back on it and spending their Saturdays watching Hornchurch or Dagenham or whoever. As long as they all carry on forking out their £50 a week and what have you, the clubs will continue to treat them like cr4p!!!

 

Interesting thread this by the way Gooner!!

 

Makes a change from you moaning about Romford or Spurs or whoever

[Eastside Urchin]

I am currently involved in a love in with romford

tottenham are and forever will be c**ts and in our shadows ( both arsenal & hornchurch)

The top level is where it all starts & finishes though,if that could be sorted within a few years it would balance out.I am not saying that paying players is neccessarily a bad thing but for some to be getting £100'000 plus a week is beyond a joke,there needs to be a cap at all levels to be honest,the top players will still be able to market themselves and even further down the leagues players with a bit of sense can make good money on their marketing side,saying that i would just shoot the fckng lot of them

[paokman]

Be fair Rob, it's all gone downhill since the night of April 17th 1961 when we beat Sheff Wed to win the league, think I was the only one there not wearing a flat 'at