stfc new home

[BOSSWEBB]

lets go back to slough centre in belfast ave

would it need planning permission as it previously had a football stadium,velodrome,and various sporting activities

also i could walk there from my house in about 2 mins

[Guest]

Are you serious? Is it larger enough?

[GarySTFC]

So long as it's anywhere but Britwell eh Paul?

[Guest]

Gary,

 

Some of the things I really do dislike are

 

(1) the secretcy, different versions given by council staff and the total exclusion of Britwell councillors from Britwell Regeneration Group meetings

(2) the shops, hotel etc.

(3) 1,000 car parking spaces

(4) lost of a public park

(5) Labour making it a political issue when politics should NOT be involved.

 

Meanwhile a few crumbs are thrown at Britwell.

 

 

[Matt]

And Mr Janik, some of the things I would really like are:

 

1. Trying to regenerate one of the most needy areas of Slough

2. Providing sports facilities for youngsters in Slough

3. Providing a permanent home for the club I (we) love (and don't comeback by mentioning the words 'Wexham Park' because we would all love to go back there)

4. Making Slough Town FC a focal point for the whole community of Slough

5. Putting STFC back on the football map - a town of this size deserves a team of at least Conference standard, surely you can agree on this.

[Paul]

Careful Matt, you'll be accused of being a lying Labour member if you're not careful.

[Matt]

Ooh, we wouldn't want that would we. Anyway the truth is, I don't vote Labour, so this has nowt to do with politics at all.

[Guest]

[color:"red"]And Mr Janik, some of the things I would really like are:

 

1. Trying to regenerate one of the most needy areas of Slough[color:"blue"] Didn't Cllr Rob Anderson say Chalvey and Stoke are much more deprived? Surely they should get priority if they are more deprived than Britwell?

 

[color:"red"]2. Providing sports facilities for youngsters in Slough [color:"blue"] Belfast Avenue?

 

[color:"red"]3. Providing a permanent home for the club I (we) love (and don't comeback by mentioning the words 'Wexham Park' because we would all love to go back there) [color:"blue"] Belfast Avenue?

 

[color:"red"]4. Making Slough Town FC a focal point for the whole community of Slough[color:"blue"] Belfast Avenue?

 

[color:"red"]5. Putting STFC back on the football map - a town of this size deserves a team of at least Conference standard, surely you can agree on this. [color:"blue"] I don't want your hotel, shops and houses on a public park.

[GarySTFC]

OK Paul, you put across some points as to why you believe it should not go into Britwell. Fair enough. Being as though you are on our forum though, please could you suggest to me possible actions or your thoughts for the below:

 

1 - How do we secure our long term future within Slough's boundaries, something our previous home, Wexham Park, was not?

2 - What alternatives are there, to the best of your awareness, within Slough's boundaries away from Kennedy Park?

3 - How would the regneration of the area be harmful to Britwell?

4 - Is there any way of not involving politics when it comes to handing out green belt land for a venture?

 

Aside from that, I wasn't at the council meeting on Wednesday, nor have I seen the finer details of the proposals of which you mention.

 

Coming back to your points, I hope you can expand on some of them for me if possible.

 

1,000 car park spaces. Is this for the proposed shops or football stadium?

 

Loss of a public park? How big is the Kennedy Park site at present and how much would the proposed football stadia & facilites consume of this space?

 

Could you expand any more on the details of the location of the shops and the hotel and some more specific detail about those two in particular?

 

All we are asking for, as fans of Slough Town Football Club, is somewhere where we can secure the long term future of our football club which has already been in existence for 113 years. We've been passed from pillar to post and continually shunned by the councils of old, so when we are offered opportunities like this, we will fight as best we can as we see it as a way of securing our long term future and preventing 'fights' like this having to happen again. By integrating our stadium closer into the community, STFC can play a great part in offering young players in Britwell the chance to play under Slough Town Junior sides with proper coaching in time and hopefully we can generate some more players in the class of Lloyd Owusu, who has gone on to play one level below the Premier League. What's to say we can't find, and develop, that talent from the current crop of talented Britwell youngsters?

[Matt]

Well then I'd love to know how you might improve Britwell, and while you're at it, suggest a suitable place for Slough Town to play in future (without mentioning Wexham Park).

[Matt]

That was, of course, aimed at Mr Janik by the way Gary.

[Guest]

Rebel Paul,

 

I'm still waiting for the retraction of your lies about me telephoning a Labour councillor's home.

 

 

[Guest]

And I'm still waiting for you to say how many names you've used to post anti development threads on the Slough community forum. Why are you such a hypocrite Mr Janik? Why are you so important that you have to have your questions answered, but won't answer questions yourself?

You've complained that the council won't answer your questions, but then won't answer questions yourself. Double standards? Hypocracy?---You tell me Mr Janik?

[Guest]

[color:"blue"]Gary,

 

I know STFC is very important to you and your colleagues. Sometimes the supporters appear to ignore even greater problems in the borough such as the elderly and disabled being denied essential help because the council has run out of money. Money is a very scarce resource in Slough Borough Council and daily I see how the lack of money is adversely affecting the quality of people's lives. There are real social miseries caused by the council's inability to adequately fund basic facilities for the residents.

 

Now I see the council spending scarce un-budgeted money on this proposal while, for example, a 94 year woman discharged from Upton Hospital in September 2002 is being washed by her son because the council is unable to comply with the law (as passed by parliament) and install a shower adaptation in her council sheltered housing flat.

 

If you were organising this matter I don't believe you would have briefed the public before telling the ward councillors or even have lied to the ward councillors whilst giving specific details to the football supporters.

 

None of you seem to realise that Kennedy Park is only there today because previous generations of non-politically aligned council staff and some borough councillors with real scruples prevented it from becoming just another building site.

 

Another often overlooked fact is there are about 300-400 regular STFC supporters, 10,000 plus Britwell residents, 1,000 Northborough residents and a borough wide population of at least 119,000. Clearly, however nice most of you are, you are in a tiny minority yet you appear to be competing, with some help from Cllr Robert Anderson, for very limited council resources.

 

Any public alarm about the whole package of building on Kennedy Park was compounded by Labour deliberately making it a political issue. The first thing many Britwell people knew about this was when the estate was invaded by Labour councillors from other parts of Slough handing our their Red Rose leaflet. (copy available by email).

 

[color:"red"](1) How do we secure our long term future within Slough's boundaries, something our previous home, Wexham Park, was not?

 

[color:"blue"]If WP was good enough to play on for many? years why does the local government boundary become a problem?

 

Every entity should have a home. What is wrong with Belfast Stadium?

 

[color:"red"](2) What alternatives are there, to the best of your awareness, within Slough's boundaries away from Kennedy Park?

 

[color:"blue"]I would like the establishment of an independent committee composed of people from outside the STFC environment to attempt to sort-out the Thorn and Deaner problem. I would willing join such a committee. If it went ahead perhaps some of the sessions could be in public. Would the name Slough United appeal to the supporters?

 

In answer to your question, Cippenham. Its away from the houses but in the area where Labour's election agent lives. I suspect, but I don't honestly know, he would use all the political tricks he knows with help from the MP who gave him the job to oppose it. Didn't Cllr Rob Anderson mention Cippenham last Saturday at the match? Its a very large site (over 75 acres?) scheduled for development and a place where there would be a lot less disturbance compared to Britwell's overcrowded pot-holed unswept roads.

 

[color:"red"](3) How would the regneration of the area be harmful to Britwell?

 

[color:"blue"]It wouldn't. Britwell regeneration is being used as a smoke screen to conceal the planned building on Kennedy Park of a hotel, houses and shops.

 

[color:"red"](4) Is there any way of not involving politics when it comes to handing out green belt land for a venture?

 

[color:"blue"]I don't know. There are 26 Labour, 9 BILLD and 6 Tory councillors. Labour do what they like because they control the council and have done so for over 20 years non-stop. It should not be a political issue but a community issue. Labour chose to make it political. Because of Labour's justified bad reputation on Britwell, including sleaze and nepotism, their Kennedy Park proposal is likely to be consider by residents as someone said yesterday "Anderson's revenge for Labour losing Britwell". Perhaps next time STFC supporters should insist on such matters not being made political. At the moment STFC is seen as part of Labour's 2004 election campaign.

 

You say hand-out which to me suggests a public asset is being given away.

 

[color:"red"]1,000 car park spaces. Is this for the proposed shops or football stadium? [color:"blue"] Because I'm not a Labour councillor I being given few and conflicting details. Can someone else elaborate?

 

[color:"red"]Loss of a public park? How big is the Kennedy Park site at present and how much would the proposed football stadia & facilites consume of this space? [color:"blue"] Stadia is plural - how many stadiums are going to be built on Kennedy Park? The council are not giving me many details. I sense another cover-up. I understand Cllr Robert Anderson knows the size of the stadium because he has apparently told people where it will be situated. However he hasn't told me anything.

 

[color:"red"]Could you expand any more on the details of the location of the shops and the hotel and some more specific detail about those two in particular? [color:"blue"] Please see my comments above and check with your fellow supporters who know more about the project than the local councillors do. If anyone wants to share the information with me I will be most grateful.

 

[color:"red"]All we are asking for, as fans of Slough Town Football Club, is somewhere where we can secure the long term future of our football club which has already been in existence for 113 years. We've been passed from pillar to post and continually shunned by the councils of old, so when we are offered opportunities like this, we will fight as best we can as we see it as a way of securing our long term future and preventing 'fights' like this having to happen again. By integrating our stadium closer into the community, STFC can play a great part in offering young players in Britwell the chance to play under Slough Town Junior sides with proper coaching in time and hopefully we can generate some more players in the class of Lloyd Owusu, who has gone on to play one level below the Premier League. What's to say we can't find, and develop, that talent from the current crop of talented Britwell youngsters?

 

[color:"blue"]Nicely expressed. Why can't we sort out the Thorn and Deaner problem? The committee could include a few councillors from all political parties selected on their independence and abilities (rather than on their wish to follow a political agenda) from both SBC and SBDC/BCC plus some local dignitaries and some able residents with experience of high-powered jobs. I think we should at least give it a very determined effort - a sort of metaphorically banging their heads together.

 

 

[Guest]

Beware the mealy mouthed words of Grima the Wormtounge. If he is so reasonable, why did he post anti development posts under several names. Is that the behaviour of an honest man? You will see he hasn't denied doing so---because he can't. He is making it up as he goes along---he's against having a 1,000 capacity car park, but he has no idea where he got the figure from. There are no details yet-just an outline of an idea, but Grima the Wormtounge complains he has no details----quite simply there hasn't even been a feasibility study yet, so how can there be details. He knows and understands this, but he is the one playing political games, pretending there is a cover up. There is nothing yet to cover up, just an idea. The man is so manipulative he tries to suggest that as supporters we know all about the scheme.

 

Come on Mr Janik, if your so reasonable, why did you post against the idea under several different names? Its an easy question to answer

[Guest]

Since you are still calling me stupid names I won't be responding to any further posting in this forum.

 

Your lost, not mine.

 

 

[Guest]

Please don't take Mr Janik to seriously

 

not even the residents beleive in what he tells them these days...a clear case of too much time on his hands ....stirring issues up even though he has not answers to many of the questions he posses himself...

 

And as you can see by the thread s he goes onto issue of other problems in the town in our forum when clearly this issue within is about the football stadium and britwell and don't forget Northborough estate!

 

It clearly is a Independant using (us) to better himself in a very very important issue, and having a go at the Labour Party...

 

No Stadium no regeneration....simple as that...

 

and some of the independants want this too...

 

No stadium ...no money to re generate

 

cheers chris

 

Happy days are here....

[Guest]

Chris---you are spot on.I've had dealings with him (not political ones by the way), on and off for nearly a couple of years now, and we are definetely well shot of him. Most people who have dealings with him end up holding him in complete and utter contempt.

 

Definetely our gain.Getting our message across to the local residents is very important though, especially with the aforementioned Grima spreading his poison. Might , at some stage, complimentary tickets be given to his more sensible colleagues, and perhaps comcerned residents, so that they could see for themselves that WW 3 is not about to occur? Just a thought.

 

Goodbye to GCHQ---soon to return to my normal name.

[Dominic]

Janik, you dont need us to make you look stupid, your doing that all by your self!

[GarySTFC]

Apologies for this becoming a bit of a 'rainbow' posting, but I've added my latest comments in response to Cllr Janik below in green.

 

[color:"blue"]Gary,

 

I know STFC is very important to you and your colleagues. Sometimes the supporters appear to ignore even greater problems in the borough such as the elderly and disabled being denied essential help because the council has run out of money. Money is a very scarce resource in Slough Borough Council and daily I see how the lack of money is adversely affecting the quality of people's lives. There are real social miseries caused by the council's inability to adequately fund basic facilities for the residents.

 

Now I see the council spending scarce un-budgeted money on this proposal while, for example, a 94 year woman discharged from Upton Hospital in September 2002 is being washed by her son because the council is unable to comply with the law (as passed by parliament) and install a shower adaptation in her council sheltered housing flat.[/color]

 

[color:"green"]

I appreciate there are many other problems within Britwell Paul, but haven't there been many problems going on in the area for a number of years? Very little appears to be done about any aspect of Britwell, why is this? It has some notoriously rough areas and seeming problems with crime left, right and centre which don't appear to be improving. Again why is this? Surely your response again on this will mention funding? Well, if the support was there and organise from residents, surely the council would be more likely to be persuaded? Look at the effort the Slough fans went to over the summer months in protest of the land adjacent to the current Wexham Park site. Seemingly, it has had an effect and showed the council that the town does want a football club back within the town's boundaries - this rules out Wexham Park I may hasten to add.[/color]

 

[color:"blue"]If you were organising this matter I don't believe you would have briefed the public before telling the ward councillors or even have lied to the ward councillors whilst giving specific details to the football supporters.[/color]

 

[color:"green"]

What specific details exactly? All I have heard is that an area of Kennedy Park, not all of it, has been allocated provisionally for a proposed new football stadium for Slough Town FC. No other details are available as yet about the stadium, certainly not to us anyway. I am sure Mr Deaner will have some ideas in mind as to what he would like to develop within that area, but that is definitely not public knowledge.[/color]

 

[color:"blue"]None of you seem to realise that Kennedy Park is only there today because previous generations of non-politically aligned council staff and some borough councillors with real scruples prevented it from becoming just another building site.[/color]

 

[color:"green"] With that argument effective then, perhaps you don't realise the Slough Town FC is only here today because of the dedication of generations of hard working fans and directors which have kept the football club alive and well and providing entertainment for many, many people during it's 113 years of existence.[/color]

 

[color:"blue"]Another often overlooked fact is there are about 300-400 regular STFC supporters, 10,000 plus Britwell residents, 1,000 Northborough residents and a borough wide population of at least 119,000. Clearly, however nice most of you are, you are in a tiny minority yet you appear to be competing, with some help from Cllr Robert Anderson, for very limited council resources.[/color]

 

[color:"green"]Presumably then, you have been round to every single person of the 119,000 residents and asked them for their opinion and they are all opposed to the proposals? It certainly appears that is what you are implying, yet I know people within Britwell who are fully behind have the football stadium within the area and would look forward greatly to having it move to Kennedy Park.[/color]

 

[color:"blue"]Any public alarm about the whole package of building on Kennedy Park was compounded by Labour deliberately making it a political issue. The first thing many Britwell people knew about this was when the estate was invaded by Labour councillors from other parts of Slough handing our their Red Rose leaflet. (copy available by email).[/color]

 

[color:"green"]Where can I obtain one of these leaflets? Could you email it to me gary@sloughtownfc.net or tell me where I could obtain an electronic copy from.

 

[color:"red"](1) How do we secure our long term future within Slough's boundaries, something our previous home, Wexham Park, was not?[/color]

 

[color:"blue"]If WP was good enough to play on for many? years why does the local government boundary become a problem?

 

Every entity should have a home. What is wrong with Belfast Stadium?[/color]

 

[color:"green"] Developing the site further, if or when we progress to a higher level would be very difficult due to the land being in South Bucks control. The club's name is SLOUGH TOWN, yet it is not in Slough? Why? This is not the way it should be. The 'all-conquering' Slough Ladies Hockey team have recently celebrated a return to Slough after many years of playing in High Wycombe. Perhaps now it's our turn to bring back pride to the town.

 

Why not propose Belfast Stadium to the Council and see what their reaction is? They have made promise after promise to find Martyn Deaner some land in Slough to develop the football club for the past five years. I think if Belfast Avenue was a site which could be pursued, we would not be in the problems we have been having since this summer (Homeless).[/color]

 

[color:"red"](2) What alternatives are there, to the best of your awareness, within Slough's boundaries away from Kennedy Park?[/color]

 

[color:"blue"]I would like the establishment of an independent committee composed of people from outside the STFC environment to attempt to sort-out the Thorn and Deaner problem. I would willing join such a committee. If it went ahead perhaps some of the sessions could be in public. Would the name Slough United appeal to the supporters?

 

In answer to your question, Cippenham. Its away from the houses but in the area where Labour's election agent lives. I suspect, but I don't honestly know, he would use all the political tricks he knows with help from the MP who gave him the job to oppose it. Didn't Cllr Rob Anderson mention Cippenham last Saturday at the match? Its a very large site (over 75 acres?) scheduled for development and a place where there would be a lot less disturbance compared to Britwell's overcrowded pot-holed unswept roads.[/color]

 

[color:"green"]Again, why did the council not highlight this site then? The proposed site is in Rob Anderson's 'back yard' with him hailing from Britwell, so why on earth would he want in in his back yard? Is the Cippenham site, Mercian Way I believe you're talking about?, green belt land? What classification does Kennedy Park fall under? Is it green belt or brown belt?[/color]

 

[color:"red"](3) How would the regneration of the area be harmful to Britwell?[/color]

[color:"blue"]It wouldn't. Britwell regeneration is being used as a smoke screen to conceal the planned building on Kennedy Park of a hotel, houses and shops.

 

[color:"green"]For someone who claims to not know much about the proposal, you seem to know a lot about it. Which do you have the most problems with?[/color]

 

[color:"red"](4) Is there any way of not involving politics when it comes to handing out green belt land for a venture?[/color]

 

[color:"blue"]I don't know. There are 26 Labour, 9 BILLD and 6 Tory councillors. Labour do what they like because they control the council and have done so for over 20 years non-stop. It should not be a political issue but a community issue. Labour chose to make it political. Because of Labour's justified bad reputation on Britwell, including sleaze and nepotism, their Kennedy Park proposal is likely to be consider by residents as someone said yesterday "Anderson's revenge for Labour losing Britwell". Perhaps next time STFC supporters should insist on such matters not being made political. At the moment STFC is seen as part of Labour's 2004 election campaign.

 

You say hand-out which to me suggests a public asset is being given away.[/color]

[color:"green"]I say hand out as that is what the council have to do. Perhaps allocate is the better word for this type of activity. (Not just this instance, but allocation of land for all events and developments). Hope that makes it a bit clearer.

 

So there is a 26-15 majority for Labour-opposition. Do you not think if the 15 could work together and get enough public support for the pot holes, road sweeping and the many other things that are wrong with Britwell, the council would be forced to take action? That's certainly the route I would be pursuing.[/color]

 

[color:"red"]1,000 car park spaces. Is this for the proposed shops or football stadium?[/color][color:"blue"]Because I'm not a Labour councillor I being given few and conflicting details. Can someone else elaborate?[/color]

 

[color:"green"]Confllicting details? Where did you get the 1,000 car parking spaces figure from? Certainly the first time I've heard anything about that figure of spaces being mentioned.[/color]

 

[color:"red"]Loss of a public park? How big is the Kennedy Park site at present and how much would the proposed football stadia & facilites consume of this space?[/color]

[color:"blue"]Stadia is plural - how many stadiums are going to be built on Kennedy Park? The council are not giving me many details. I sense another cover-up. I understand Cllr Robert Anderson knows the size of the stadium because he has apparently told people where it will be situated. However he hasn't told me anything.[/color]

[color:"green"]Sorry to disappoint you Paul. My use of Stadia in this text was merely the 'posh' way of saying stadium. There's only one proposed stadium. That's all we need, and no, Wexham Park is not an option.[/color]

 

[color:"red"]Could you expand any more on the details of the location of the shops and the hotel and some more specific detail about those two in particular?[/color]

[color:"blue"]Please see my comments above and check with your fellow supporters who know more about the project than the local councillors do. If anyone wants to share the information with me I will be most grateful.[/color]

 

[color:"green"]Are the local councillors not doing their job then? If supporters can find out this information, why the hell can't the councillors who are supposed to be representing their boroughs? You seem to have this idea that we're privvy to information. I can tell you now this isn't the case. I would suggest speaking to those you think are in the know on the council then and finding out what they know about the proposals, then perhaps you could let us know exactly what is being planned as well, because we sure as hell aren't certain.[/color]

 

[color:"red"]All we are asking for, as fans of Slough Town Football Club, is somewhere where we can secure the long term future of our football club which has already been in existence for 113 years. We've been passed from pillar to post and continually shunned by the councils of old, so when we are offered opportunities like this, we will fight as best we can as we see it as a way of securing our long term future and preventing 'fights' like this having to happen again. By integrating our stadium closer into the community, STFC can play a great part in offering young players in Britwell the chance to play under Slough Town Junior sides with proper coaching in time and hopefully we can generate some more players in the class of Lloyd Owusu, who has gone on to play one level below the Premier League. What's to say we can't find, and develop, that talent from the current crop of talented Britwell youngsters?[/color]

 

[color:"blue"]Nicely expressed. Why can't we sort out the Thorn and Deaner problem? The committee could include a few councillors from all political parties selected on their independence and abilities (rather than on their wish to follow a political agenda) from both SBC and SBDC/BCC plus some local dignitaries and some able residents with experience of high-powered jobs. I think we should at least give it a very determined effort - a sort of metaphorically banging their heads together.[/color]

 

[color:"green"]Why can't we sort out Mr Thorne (Note the 'e' on the end of his name) and Mr Deaner? Who knows? Mr Deaner was present on Wednesday night I gather, did you not ask him directly? If not, why not? He was there, in person, and available for questioning as to where the problems may lie between them. I await to hear further proposals from yourself as to how and where these meetings could take place and who, from SBC's side would be involved.[/color]