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Dagger03

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Nothing to do with HFC but I thought it would be worth posting none the less.

 

As you know, the Luton v York match was abandoned due to snow during the second half a couple of weeks ago.

 

The Conference have ruled that Luton's season ticket holders must pay to watch the re-arranged match, ie their season tickets will not be valid for the match.

 

Luton have reacted strongly and have refused to accept the decision and have publicly stated that season ticket holders wil lbe allowed in on production of their season tickets.

 

It raises an interesting legal point - under Conference rules an abandoned match must be treated as if it were a cup tie for expenses purposes, ie all pay.

But Luton season ticket holder have a contract with Luton Town FC which states that they are entitled to go to all league matches with their season tickets.

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I think you will find this rule would apply to most matches in many leagues.

 

After all why should the opposition supporters and team have to pay again with expenses when the home team get extra revenue from ticket sales, catering etc.

 

If the proceeds are split, then surely it is fairer?

 

If this was not done this way, then you might find some clubs deliberately trying to get matches called off to earn double revenue. Maybe not snow, but floodlights can easily be 'fixed'.

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I think Luton are in the right on that one. As for clubs deliberately getting games posponed, if it keeps happening to one particular club, then it will be quite obvious what is happening and the club should get fine more than the proceeds to put anyone off. Reduced prices are a good idea if it has to happen that way, good call O.

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First of all - forget what grfoundhopper has said - groundhoppers are a bit like slaty backed gulls, they appear once and then go elsewhere.

 

I have a lot of sympathy for Luton - they have stated that anyone who went to the abandoned match can get in for half price, and they have no need to do this as the match was into the second half when it was snowed off. Luton in my opinion are treating everyone fairly.

 

And the season ticket holders are entitled legally to go to ALL league matches without extra payment. As the first match was called off on 57 mins, the league do not count this as a league match (for points purposes), so the season ticket holders are perfectly entitled to go to the re-arranged match for no further payment. If Luton tried to charge them, then they could well be in breach of contract.

 

The problem is that the away team are entitled to claim expenses for the re-staging, but according to reports York rejected Luton's offer to pay their expenses, and want a share of the gate (which according to league rules, they are entitled to).

 

The league decided that Luton must charge admission to their season ticket holders for the second match - and I cannot understand how they can insist of this when season ticket holders are entitled to go to all league matches without further charge.

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First of all - forget what grfoundhopper has said - groundhoppers are a bit like slaty backed gulls, they appear once and then go elsewhere.

 

 

 

Charming!

 

The problem here is Luton decided they are bigger than the league - more of a club that thinks it is still in the football league and can overrule a nonleague league.

 

However I realise I am in a minority here!

 

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Its not a question of being 'bigger than the league'. If I am a Season Ticket holder then that Ticket allows admission to ALL league home games without any additional charge. As the home game vs York has not taken place, which is the case if the first 'attempt' is void, then how can the league justify making Season Ticket holders pay admission to a game which in effect has already been paid for through purchase of the Season Ticket?

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Because the rules of the season ticket should comply with rules of the league.

 

If a club goes bust and the club plays a game or two less, does the club have to play an extra match simply because the season ticket was sold with a 'promise' of say 46 matches?

 

The Ryman rules do not say that a rearranged game will be free to season ticket holders either.

 

8.3.3 In the event that a match is abandoned for reasons over which neither Club has control the Club playing at home shall retain the gate receipts for such uncompleted match and the Board shall determine the terms upon which any replayed match shall be played.

 

Incidentally in your rearranged Essex Senior Cup tie - surely the original match tickets should have remained valid - after all it was just a rearranged game. Why should your fans have to go to the inconvenience and expense of getting their money back?

 

I do agree however that their should be clear rules throughout football in the event of matches being called off or not even starting, then everyone knows where they stand before a ball is even kicked in the season.

 

BTW - I do think they should have got in with their season tickets - but if the rules say no, then surely the club has to abide by the rules? Otherwise what other rules can a club break?

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I am not disagreeing with your interpretation of the rules. The point I was trying to make is how can the league JUSTIFY charging Season Ticket holders twice? Its a cop out simply to say 'thems the rules mate!' Luton appear to be demonstrating common sense - something football authorities often find difficult to emulate.

 

Oh, and quite agree with your comment regarding our Essex Senior Cup Final game. The original match tickets should have been valid for the re-arranged fixture with the option of cash refund for those who wished it. That's common sense again - but difficult to mention common sense and the football authorities in the same sentence.

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Oh, and quite agree with your comment regarding our Essex Senior Cup Final game. The original match tickets should have been valid for the re-arranged fixture with the option of cash refund for those who wished it. That's common sense again - but difficult to mention common sense and the football authorities in the same sentence.

 

At least we agree on something :)

 

 

Groundhopper,you are going by the rules religiously,the fact of the matter is that the fans who buy season tickets do so so they don't have to pay again that season

 

I guess you are right at the end of the day :)

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