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lanceyboyuk said:
cant we have a simple translation plz?

This is going to be a bit longwinded but you asked for it!

The bit about who wrote the page is simple enough. If your browser shows page/frame info, it shows Derek Bird wrote the EFC site and inIT (UK) Ltd wrote the WAFC site. If not (or you can't find where), right click on the page and choose 'View Source' (or whatever you browser uses) from the pop-up menu. Somewhere near the top are some lines which start '<META'. The one which starts '<META NAME="Author" CONTENT=' tells you how the author of the page wants to be represented.

The year shows as 103 in some browsers and 2003 in others because there was a big fight about whose method of storing dates should be used as the industry standard in the run up to the year 2000. It all got a bit political. On one side you had Microsoft and on the other Mozilla and Netscape. Microsoft (and the Konqueror Team who produce a browser which runs under Linux) use 2003. The others use 103. This means that when you want to show the year from the current date you should check to see if it is under 2000 and, if so, add 1900. That way you will always get 2003 for this year.

Further back in the mists of time there was another big political row between Netscape and Microsoft. Netscape invented a client side (i.e. your browser has to be able to use it) programming language called JavaScript. Microsoft aped this with its own version called JScript. Although they are basically the same they aren't exactly so the European Computer Manufacturers Association (ECMA) drew up an industry standard which is known as ECMAScript (although most people call it JavaScript because that was the original). ECMAScript takes the original JavaScript with certain bits of later versions and adds some bits from JScript to arrive at a version which, if you follow it, all browsers can use. Unfortunately, there are still bits of JavaScript and JScript which don't meet these criteria (because any new browser must be backwards compatible in case web pages are written in a non-compliant version of either JavaScript or JScript, but they tend only to be backwards compatible for their own version of the language). I think this is why the "next fixture" section on the EFC and WAFC web pages doesn't work with my browser and in each case I just get the list of fixtures in the order they were typed into the external JScript file.

Unless the problems on the EFC and WAFC web pages are put right, they could be an increasing problem. More people are switching to Linux (mainly because it's free and you don't have to shell out any money to upgrade) and Mozilla tends to be the browser of choice for ex-Windows users because it is similar to Netscape (Netscape is available as well, and so is Opera, which is also used by quite a lot of Windows users). Also, Internet Explorer 6 is the last standalone version of Microsoft's browser. I read this to mean that if you want IE7 when it comes out, you will need to shell out for an upgraded operating system, so I can see people looking around for free browsers such as Netscape or adware such as Opera (it's only a small banner though!) instead.
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abbeynut said:
and what is your point?

What is whose point?

If you mean mine, I was pointing out that the EFC and WAFC sites both have dynamic content which doesn't work with my preferred browser and a few others which I am able to look at it with as well. If EFC and WAFC are paying for the privilege they should expect that it does. It's not as if I have disabled Java/JavaScript because I don't want client-side scripting on my machine.

Apart from the calendar and the forthcoming fixtures, the content is not dynamic so the rest of it shows up OK. But showing forthcoming fixtures correctly is *very* important to a club, especially at our level.

I suppose the answer would be to do the whole lot in PHP which is server-side, so the results show up pretty much the same in any browser (like this forum, in fact).
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LgeChairman said:
If any of you old'uns remember Stanley Unwin - he would have loved that Cyclops script !

OK. Let's put it in S I M P L E L A N G U A G E...

EFC and WAFC have web sites, each of which has a section which is supposed to show their forthcoming fixtures. It doesn't work.

EFC and WAFC both have calendars on their sites. They only show the correct year on a minority of browsers (even though one of these is the most used). I explained how this can be put right.

I think the correct phrase to use here is "fitness for the purpose".

Microsoft have already said that they won't be supplying Internet Explorer on its own after the current version so use of other browsers is going to increase. Therefore it is likely that more people will have the same problems that I do when looking at the EFC or WAFC sites.
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I've been waiting for a chance to post the next lot of stats somewhere on the forum. Now's the time! Here are the views per browser, according to the Bravenet stats page. It only accounts for the last 150,000 hits though. People are still using IE4 & 5 so unless the use of my current version is somehow disabled, I'll be sticking on 6.01 for some time to come.

 

AOL 12935 5.38 %

Web TV 0 0.00 %

Internet Explorer 0 0.00 %

Internet Explorer 3.x 0 0.00 %

Internet Explorer 4.x 9813 4.08 %

Internet Explorer 5.x 78623 32.71 %

Internet Explorer 6.x 60911 25.34 %

Be OS Net Positive 0 0.00 %

Safari 1 0.00 %

Netscape 2.x 0 0.00 %

Netscape 3.x 911 0.38 %

Netscape 4.x 3726 1.55 %

Netscape 6.x 820 0.34 %

Netscape 7.x 536 0.22 %

Mozilla 56 0.02 %

Opera 35 0.01 %

Opera 5.x 1 0.00 %

Opera 6.x 2 0.00 %

Opera 7.x 4 0.00 %

Lynx 0 0.00 %

Galeon 9 0.00 %

Konqueror 212 0.09 %

Search Engines 0 0.00 %

Unknown Browser 8 0.00 %

 

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