Whats going wrong!!

[dannyriding]

From the last couple of displays Ive seen there are a few players on the pitch that maybe are past their sell by date. Think Im being generous in saying JS is a yard or two off the pace, pinno is trying to gather the ball and be a striker all in the same sentence and JT seems to go for every ball in the 30 yard area of his box..... The overall general display of (was gonna say football) incompetance is really becoming embarassing - your thoughts fellas??????

[Cookie]

What IS going wrong?.

Saunders & Rogers underperforming are MAJOR problems. Also Turner flapping again.Great shot stopper on his day & I wouldn't want to change him for another but lately he has made some errors.Todays wasn't a howler but it was definately an error on his part & it definately lead to their 1st goal (nb He has no competition).

Other things which I think are wrong is that our defence stands off the oncoming attacking player too much. Retreats, restreats & retreats.Goal gets bigger bigger & bigger to the oppoent.. Keister is a prime example of a player who dosen't do this.He stands up to them & 8 out of 10 times be comes away with the ball & a dangerous situation is averted. Others need to learn from him.

1st half we harried,closed them down & didn't give up the chase (Welford superb at this) & got things right today but second half !! Well,I think it best not to comment further on that. But hey we still drew...... so why am I not happy tonight?

Edited November 27, 2010 by Cookie

[Porka]

Where do we start? I think it's about time some home truths were spoken. Three dreadful results/performances on the spin and we can all see there are several things going wrong. Not gonna be an easy job for Iain to correct with the budget low but I firmly believe he made a mistake in offering a few players contracts.

 

Wilson, Lacy and Osborne - Not good enough. Simple as that. Perhaps a little harsh on Tommy but if you take a look at his CV you can see he's never really made it in this division, and I think we're seeing why. The other two - consistently below par. Wayne's performances always seem to go under the radar - surprising considering he just jogs around the middle of the park doing not very much. The players around him must be wondering why they have to do all his running. At least Iain dropped Lacy and Osborne from the starting line-up today. Wilson also needs to go.

 

Turner - Needs to calm down. Got to stop rushing out of the penalty area. Seems like the defence are getting rattled because they don't know where he's going to be at times. JT and Ball can work well. Ball's an excellent marshal of the back-line, but just needs to have more confidence in JT again.

[dannyriding]

Where do we start? I think it's about time some home truths were spoken. Three dreadful results/performances on the spin and we can all see there are several things going wrong. Not gonna be an easy job for Iain to correct with the budget low but I firmly believe he made a mistake in offering a few players contracts.

 

Wilson, Lacy and Osborne - Not good enough. Simple as that. Perhaps a little harsh on Tommy but if you take a look at his CV you can see he's never really made it in this division, and I think we're seeing why. The other two - consistently below par. Wayne's performances always seem to go under the radar - surprising considering he just jogs around the middle of the park doing not very much. The players around him must be wondering why they have to do all his running. At least Iain dropped Lacy and Osborne from the starting line-up today. Wilson also needs to go.

 

Turner - Needs to calm down. Got to stop rushing out of the penalty area. Seems like the defence are getting rattled because they don't know where he's going to be at times. JT and Ball can work well. Ball's an excellent marshal of the back-line, but just needs to have more confidence in JT again.

 

I think we will all have players we think should/shouldnt be in the team for whatever reason, but the sad thing is something isnt right and needs addressing NOW rather than later. Non league football is suffering just like every other small business in this recession but on the last few results MFC is going to be suffering big time as the only real revenue to speak of is thru the turnstile.... players fault, IOCs fault, it dont really matter - if it isnt sorted soon then the average gate will be 100+ and then we really be in the mire.

[Twist&Shout]

Tactics / formation / selection / motivation

[I am Spartacus]

So what is going wrong?

 

I do not know the answer and talking to the players this afternoon they do not know either.

 

I asked them if it was lack of team spirit. No was the answer.

 

Was it team selection? They do not think so.

 

Was it the tactics? Yet again they thought not.

 

 

So what is the answer:

 

Change of manager as some seem to be advocating? Well he has more expierence than those that seem to want this. You only have to look at his face after the last 2 defeats to see the pain he feels. Personally speaking this would be a backward step at this moment in time.

 

Get new players in? Would be nice to freshen up the squad BUT where is the money coming from?

 

To me the only answer is to shoulder on and by HARD WORK from the players , Manager and supporters we will get there. After all where is all the noise we used to create at HDP?

 

 

[dannyriding]

So what is going wrong?

 

I do not know the answer and talking to the players this afternoon they do not know either.

 

I asked them if it was lack of team spirit. No was the answer.

 

Was it team selection? They do not think so.

 

Was it the tactics? Yet again they thought not.

 

 

So what is the answer:

 

Change of manager as some seem to be advocating? Well he has more expierence than those that seem to want this. You only have to look at his face after the last 2 defeats to see the pain he feels. Personally speaking this would be a backward step at this moment in time.

 

Get new players in? Would be nice to freshen up the squad BUT where is the money coming from?

 

To me the only answer is to shoulder on and by HARD WORK from the players , Manager and supporters we will get there. After all where is all the noise we used to create at HDP?

 

 

 

 

sadly the only noise you will here at the moment is groaning because the lads are NOT performing to their best/ability and its not only the club that is suffering.... Good performances bring people thru the gate - bad performances keep people away - nuff said.

[Andy .]

So what is going wrong?

 

I do not know the answer and talking to the players this afternoon they do not know either.

 

I asked them if it was lack of team spirit. No was the answer.

 

Was it team selection? They do not think so.

 

Was it the tactics? Yet again they thought not.

 

 

So what is the answer:

 

Change of manager as some seem to be advocating? Well he has more expierence than those that seem to want this. You only have to look at his face after the last 2 defeats to see the pain he feels. Personally speaking this would be a backward step at this moment in time.

 

 

 

To me the only answer is to shoulder on and by HARD WORK from the players , Manager and supporters we will get there. After all where is all the noise we used to create at HDP?

 

 

 

Iain is a great manager without a doubt i also think there are 2-3 players possibly past there cell by date now sad to say but its true . This is where we are losing games ,we have not got the pace to keep up and its telling through the game as it goes on plus we are making life hard for our own players because putting the like of Danny Stubs on and Dean Grant who have so much pace our old boys have to keep up with them and then run back down the field if the other team go on the counter . I do think also and this is my main reason we are not playing well is our team is built around the big guy at the front Shaun and if he is not there then we fall apart . It showed in the games when he was injured it showed today when he was replaced at half time .

[Frankie100]

First half we were dominant and could have been 4 - 0 up.

 

Second half we seemed to have stayed in the dressing room until 5 SECONDS (as per the ref) from the end.

 

 

The relief felt by me (and I think others) when we scored with the last kick was matched but the utter despair of the Tooting players (You only had to see their player throw his shirt to the ground and sit in the centre circle at the final whistle and had to be coaxed back to the dressing room)

 

I do not want to see another performance like the second half again when the likes of Jamie Rodgers were excellant in the first half but missing in the second and he was not the only one.

 

 

[Twist&Shout]

I'm not doubting iain is a great manager..but I was just wondering, what makes him a 'great' manager like andy said..??

 

I think his team selection and tactics was all wrong today and obviously has been for a few games..

 

Saying that, its down to the players to perform too..

 

And it seems like I'm having a dig at Iain, cos I'm not, I just don't think he is a 'great manager'...

[Twist&Shout]

Oh and also I know everyone has their own opinions, and once again I'm not having a dig at iain, I just think he is getting things wrong at the moment..

 

But also, he doesn't have much at his disposal...I do agree with what porka and andy have said, players not good enough and post sell by date

[Andy .]

Iain is a great manager because he knows what Margate is all about and he knows if a player is not performing , i was watching him on and off and you could tell everytime a ball went astray from one of our lads he felt it . He has showed how ruthless he can be by dropping Lacy who in my opinion was one of our best players up till 3 games ago and i think after today we may well have seen the last of 1-2 of the players at the club . It will be hard for him but if he choses to release the players he wants shot of ( if any ) these are my words not Iains then he may well be able to juggle enough money to buy in someone he maybe after .

 

Money at the end of the day is the problem , if the players are getting paid less then we will see how committed they are to an MFC shirt if they want to leave then they will . Then Iain can see who wants to play for our club .

[Twist&Shout]

I agree andy,let's see who is committed to MFC with less money..

 

Also its all well and good letting go of players but we MUST have players lined up..we can't release 2 and only get 1 in for example..are squad is not big enough for that

[CT8]

is it with such a small squad players arent under enough pressure for team places just had a look at last season after 18 games last season had 22 points

 

 

[dannyriding]

I agree andy,let's see who is committed to MFC with less money..

 

Also its all well and good letting go of players but we MUST have players lined up..we can't release 2 and only get 1 in for example..are squad is not big enough for that

 

 

Wow you guys are getting rid of the squad even before the inquest, Im pissed off and smarting from the last few results but lets stick with IOC because I really dont think there is a MORE committed manager in this league or for MFC - his blood runs blue and Im sure he is smarting at the results thus far. My reasons for starting this thread was to tweak you fellas for answers........ not easy to come up with the easy fix is it? Imagine IOCs dilema when faced with fact that his signings are not performing so if we cant answer the obvious how can he?

[Andy .]

As you say Danny Iain knows this club and his blood runs through it and yep i think the board have chosen the right guy to manage us unfortunatley the players think differant sometimes on the pitch and think they have the right to dictate how things should go . If they don`t like what the board want them to do then be off with them its obvious they only want the money and thats it the football don`t matter at all . I myself would be pissed off if i had to take a cut in wages but i would be happy to just have a job and be playing instead of being cast out to find another club who would pay my wages and thats hoping that i would get the same wage as i was before .

 

Really though there is no answer to it but you do wish there was and we can only express our emotions on here as to how we feel .

[Twist&Shout]

I'm not suggesting we get rid of players..it was suggested so I said IF we do get rid of players we must have others lined up

[michael]

I agree with joseba here.

 

Just got to keep plugging away-don't panic-and tide will turn.

 

Just for no real reason its a bad run-we could jujst as easily start a freaky good run.

 

As Chris says-Robinson out of centre defence is a change for the worse perhaps-why not Stubbbs at left back ?

 

The other change is of course-Marsden leaving.

Major loss that-even in early season-when he missed one or two games-we playerd poorly then.

 

Medium term-its looking a bit like the Trott era- (with a better manager)-lots of name players-for Mckimm,Jackson,Hockton,Skinner etcetc-read Saunders,Turner,Pinnock,Cloke-but maybe all a bit past their best.

 

Overall-good enough for mid table-and we will be-but no fresh blood.

We have a team of ryman journeymen (welford excepted)-so get ryman mid table mediocrity.

 

Personally -i can accept that for this season-but the way you challenge for things is with up and coming frash talent unearthed from elsewhere.

 

The successful teams are not necessarily the ones with loads of experience-but the teams with players who are a bit differenet-not the best-but players 'on the way up'.

 

For this season though-stick with who we have-

we're be ok-win a few,lose a few and draw a few.

 

Next season-i want something really fresh however

Edited November 28, 2010 by michael

[JohnKirby]

whats going right.

 

We're not having a season currently where we are just constantly in the bottom four and we haven't got through 2-3 managers already and 60+ players.

 

Rome wasn't built in a day. We won't go from favourites to go down to promotion

 

patience is the key. Keep doing what you are doing Margate FC

[Wellsie]

Money at the end of the day is the problem , if the players are getting paid less then we will see how committed they are to an MFC shirt if they want to leave then they will . Then Iain can see who wants to play for our club .

 

While I'm not going into any detail about the size of the budget, I can confirm again that it is a very competitive budget for this division. Every manager with a budget - large or small - has to juggle the size or quality, contract vs non-contracted issues. Iain has been supported by the board and set out the side as he wants so he lives or dies by those decisions.

 

On the other side of the coin, the board have made it clear that they will not risk the financial future of the club as has happened in the past. So if income suffers, costs will be trimmed. It's a simple equastion except when you then dial in the potential impact on results for cost cutting. That's when you basically place your best and hope for the best - there are no easy answers.

 

In the meantime, we are also plugging away on the commercial side - you'll see a new way to purchase advance tickets for the rest of the season shortly, for example. But the best way to provide the club with the means to maintain or even improve the current side is to keep the turnstiles clicking round.