Teams unable to field a side!

[Tucks1]

Right let me just get this right. The ruling now is that if a team is unable to field a side due to illness, players walkout or another excuse the points are not awarded but the game gets re-scheduled. So if this is the case, what about the scenario of title decider end of season team A is missing several of their better players and decide to get game called off due to players "illness". Team B has to accept this and game gets re-scheduled so team A suffer a hefty fine but can now field a full strength side. Team A go onto win the game and title. Surely the ruling is floored??

Edited October 29, 2010 by Tucks1

[Krooner]

I think but not 100% defo on this but I think the League Management Committee can make a decision either way.

[NICE GUY]

I think but not 100% defo on this but I think the League Management Committee can make a decision either way.

 

 

TUCKS, YOU ARE SO RIGHT ! IT IS ALL TOO EASY FOR CLUBS TO MANIPULATE THE RULES UNLESS THE LEAGUE COMMITTEE ACTIONS SUCH MATTERS MORE STERNLY WITH A HEAVY FINE ''PLUS'' DEDUCT 3 POINTS FROM THE DEFAULT CLUB, NOW THAT WILL CERTAINLY ACT AS DETERENT. IT'S A BIT LIKE MY SUGGESTION ON THE ''TAPPING UP'' ALLEGATIONS TO DO THE SAME AND NOT JUST A FINE.

 

ALTHOUGH MATTERS SUCH AS THOSE MENTIONED ABOVE HAVE TO BE PROVEN, STERNER PUNISHMENT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN OUT THEN PERHAPS CLUBS MAY HAVE A SECOND THOUGHT ABOUT THEIR ACTIONS.

 

LETS BE FAIR, IF CLUBS WHO CAN AFFORD OR EASILY ACCEPT A FINE, THEY WILL OPENLY AND PUSH THEIR ACTIONS TO ONE SIDE WITHOUT A THOUGHT, BUT BY DEDUCTING 3 POINTS THIS WILL SOON SORT OUT CLUBS WHO HAVE THE INTENTION OF ACTING DISHONOURABLY.

 

JUST MY THOUGHTS

Edited October 29, 2010 by NICE GUY

[Terrence Collina]

The Reading Sunday League seems to have it right. If you can't field a side, you get fined and the opposition get the 3 points

[moleskin]

T.C., totally agree,why shouldn't the innocent team get the points.The opponents should have contingency plans to fulfil their fixtures before the season starts.

[Smudge]

Innocent ? Moleskin no one has committed a crime,we are commenting on a situation we know nothing about.At least Croydon had the decency to let the League know well in advance,what ever the reason.Fair play to them.

 

 

[VPCTFC]

Right let me just get this right. The ruling now is that if a team is unable to field a side due to illness, players walkout or another excuse the points are not awarded but the game gets re-scheduled. So if this is the case, what about the scenario of title decider end of season team A is missing several of their better players and decide to get game called off due to players "illness". Team B has to accept this and game gets re-scheduled so team A suffer a hefty fine but can now field a full strength side. Team A go onto win the game and title. Surely the ruling is floored??

 

Points can be awarded to the opposing team if that's what the league decide. The offending team can have points deducted and be fined if that's what the league decide. The actual fine isn't set by the FA but they do have guidelines - for teams in steps 5 and 6 it's a minimum of £250 up to a maximum of £1000 plus any expenses incurred by the other team.

In the worst case scenario (Chester City & Farsley Celtic are the most recent) the offending team can be expelled from the league if that's what the league decide.

 

It'll all depend on the individual circumstances of each case.

Edited October 29, 2010 by VPCTFC

[moleskin]

Smudge, couldn't think of another word to use,perhaps I should have put,"the unlucky team who for one reason or the other can't field a team,"seemed a bit long winded though.

[Tucks1]

Smudge have you swalloed happy pills where Croydon are concerneD!!

 

Im not saying anyone has committed a crime but this is not sunday football - unable to field a side!! Teams have plenty of days to find a maximun of 11 players to play and its a shambles!

 

Maybe the league should only let sides enter it if they have a reserve side that way first team games can be fulfilled!

 

It makes a mockery of the league that week in week out teams can just say that they cant raise a side due to whatever. The argument that they let the league know well in advance is total rubbish because well in adavnce means that they had plenty of time to sign players and find a team able to play today!

 

We know nothing about the situation at Croydon this week or Chobham a few weeks back- do we need to know!! No we just know that they cant find 11 players!

 

Both of them sides do not have reserve sides but I think Im right in saying Croydon have a youth side?? are they not signed to CCL?

 

The ruling needs to be changed and made clearer from a league perspective.

If not I can see a few shrewd managers- me included in using this loop hole to gain an advantage!!

[NICE GUY]

Smudge have you swalloed happy pills where Croydon are concerneD!!

 

Im not saying anyone has committed a crime but this is not sunday football - unable to field a side!! Teams have plenty of days to find a maximun of 11 players to play and its a shambles!

 

Maybe the league should only let sides enter it if they have a reserve side that way first team games can be fulfilled!

 

It makes a mockery of the league that week in week out teams can just say that they cant raise a side due to whatever. The argument that they let the league know well in advance is total rubbish because well in adavnce means that they had plenty of time to sign players and find a team able to play today!

 

We know nothing about the situation at Croydon this week or Chobham a few weeks back- do we need to know!! No we just know that they cant find 11 players!

 

Both of them sides do not have reserve sides but I think Im right in saying Croydon have a youth side?? are they not signed to CCL?

 

The ruling needs to be changed and made clearer from a league perspective.

If not I can see a few shrewd managers- me included in using this loop hole to gain an advantage!!

 

 

TUCKS I LIKE YOU ! EXCELLENT COMMENTS ! AT LAST SOMEONE WHO CAN SEE THRU' THE EYES OF MAKING A MOCKERY OF THE RULES. HE'S RIGHT SMUDGE, I STATED ON ANOTHER THREAD THAT YOU DEFUNKT CROYDON FOR REASONS WHICH YOU EXCLAIMED ON THE ORIGINAL THREAD (WHICH I CANNOT REMEMBER) BUT KNOW YOU WERE NOT HAPPY WITH THE GOING-ONS AT CROYDON.

 

SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS IS GOING ON AT CROYDON IF NOT, THEN PURPLETRAM / SMIDGE LET'S HAVE IT, DON'T BE SHY IF THERE'S NOTHING TO HIDE !!!

 

TELL YOU WHAT TUCKS, SCENARIO - LAST GAME OF THE SEASON, WARLINGHAM NEED A WIN TO CLINCH THE LEAGUE AND BE CHAMPIONS, BUT OH NO, INJURIES AND SUSPENSIONS TO 6 OF YOUR BEST PLAYERS.................BIG PROBLEM ! WE NEED TO HAVE OUR BEST TEAM AGAINST WORCESTER PARK WHO IF THEY WIN CLINCH THE LEAGUE ALSO........... I KNOW, TELL THE LEAGUE WE CANNOT FIELD A TEAM TAKE THE FINE AND GET THE GAME RE-SCHEDULED....THAT'S IT EASY !!! THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO, WHAT'S THE FIXTURE SECRETARY'S NUMBER NOW ??????

 

IT'S LAUGHING STOCK, AT CCL LEVEL HAPPENINGS LIKE THIS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN OR SHOULD THEY.

 

I EMPHASISE POINTS MEANS PRIZES ! NO POINTS, NO PRIZES THAT'S WHAT HURTS, HOW MANT TIMES DO I HAVE TO MENTION THIS CCL PLEASE LISTEN !

[NICE GUY]

Smudge have you swalloed happy pills where Croydon are concerneD!!

 

Im not saying anyone has committed a crime but this is not sunday football - unable to field a side!! Teams have plenty of days to find a maximun of 11 players to play and its a shambles!

 

Maybe the league should only let sides enter it if they have a reserve side that way first team games can be fulfilled!

 

It makes a mockery of the league that week in week out teams can just say that they cant raise a side due to whatever. The argument that they let the league know well in advance is total rubbish because well in adavnce means that they had plenty of time to sign players and find a team able to play today!

 

We know nothing about the situation at Croydon this week or Chobham a few weeks back- do we need to know!! No we just know that they cant find 11 players!

 

Both of them sides do not have reserve sides but I think Im right in saying Croydon have a youth side?? are they not signed to CCL?

 

The ruling needs to be changed and made clearer from a league perspective.

If not I can see a few shrewd managers- me included in using this loop hole to gain an advantage!!

 

TUCKS BEHAVE ! ARE YOU SAYING THAT DIXON GILL DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PLAYER CONTACTS. ISN'T HE THE ONE, AS CONFIRMED WITH WHEN SMUDGE MOANED ON ANOTHER OLD THREAD, OM HOW MANY PLYERS HE GOES THRU' I THINK OVER 60 AT ONE STAGE (I STAND CORRECTED) ! THE SWITCHING AND CHANGING OF PLAYERS FOR EVERY GAME MAYBE GILL'S DOWNFALL AND POSSIBLY HIS MAN MANAGEMENT SKILLS NEEDS ADDRESSING ?

 

PERHAPS 'COS OF GILL'S CONSTANT PLAYER CHANGES CAUSES UNREST AND PLAYERS FELL THEY HAVE THE P*SS TAKEN OUT OF THEM SO LEAVE, PERSONALLY I DON'T BLAME THEM.................THIS COULD BE THE REASON WHY HE CAN'T GET A TEAM OUT.......BUT THEN AGAIN I COULD BE WRONG !

[The KnapMeister]

Right let me just get this right. The ruling now is that if a team is unable to field a side due to illness, players walkout or another excuse the points are not awarded but the game gets re-scheduled. So if this is the case, what about the scenario of title decider end of season team A is missing several of their better players and decide to get game called off due to players "illness". Team B has to accept this and game gets re-scheduled so team A suffer a hefty fine but can now field a full strength side. Team A go onto win the game and title. Surely the ruling is floored??

 

 

Good Morning Everyone,

 

I have not posted for a while so this seems the ideal opportunity to do so. In my humble opinion it should be very straight forward. If you do not forfill a fixture for any reason then you should be deducted 3 points (the maximum you could achieve if you won the game) a heavy fine and compensation to the agrieved club.

I understand the League wanting the game played, after the Croydon Miniciapl debacle of a few seasons ago, the table looks c~~p with odd numbers of games played. The season should be completed totally. However there must be a limit on the times a club could do this. First time - unfortunate with the penalties a sabove, second time - double the points taken away and the fine. Third time - expulsion and not to be readmitted for the next season.

 

This should hinder the clubs trying to be clever, lay down a marker for persistant offenders and remove poorly run clubs from what is after all Senior football.

 

I do feel sorry for clubs on the receiving end and I also have sympathy for the league as it leaves then in an incideous position. However neither the league nor the better run clubs should have to put up with cancelled fixtures because of poor administration, lack of loyatly to a club or a pure cynical approach to the beautiful game!!

[Smudge]

Tucks you would never bend the Rules,your too honest.I have neither swallowed HAPPY PILLS,I have become a GRUMPY OLD GIT as many who know me and met me will confirm.Not the HAPPY GO LUCKY chap I once was.The reason for this is I like Honesty,I never post unless I am sure of the facts,where as other posters like NICE GUY love negative posts,and are quick to put Clubs,Managers,Players, down.Yes I did leave Croydon due to Dixon's non loyalty to players,after his article in the local RAG,saying they were non committed,Park Players.In their place he got non committed NAMES,that did not come cheap,a long trip to Cove showed this last week,only 11 Players available,he had to name his son as a sub.They Won 1-0 yes,with a Player called Dana Zada playing a full 90 minutes,Dana has been at Croydon since pre-season,never started a match,got a few 5-10 minutes here and there,never missed a training session,so my only input against Guildford as a Supporter was my chants of WE WANT DANA,but alas he was in his usual position on the bench.Another ex-Wimbledon player played the full 90 in his 1st game,probably never to be seen again.I will ask again,HAS ANYONE EVER MET NICE GUY,DOES HE EXIST,OR IS HE JUST A STIRRER.

[Smudge]

Right let me just get this right. The ruling now is that if a team is unable to field a side due to illness, players walkout or another excuse the points are not awarded but the game gets re-scheduled. So if this is the case, what about the scenario of title decider end of season team A is missing several of their better players and decide to get game called off due to players "illness". Team B has to accept this and game gets re-scheduled so team A suffer a hefty fine but can now field a full strength side. Team A go onto win the game and title. Surely the ruling is floored??

 

 

Good Morning Everyone,

 

I have not posted for a while so this seems the ideal opportunity to do so. In my humble opinion it should be very straight forward. If you do not forfill a fixture for any reason then you should be deducted 3 points (the maximum you could achieve if you won the game) a heavy fine and compensation to the agrieved club.

I understand the League wanting the game played, after the Croydon Miniciapl debacle of a few seasons ago, the table looks c~~p with odd numbers of games played. The season should be completed totally. However there must be a limit on the times a club could do this. First time - unfortunate with the penalties a sabove, second time - double the points taken away and the fine. Third time - expulsion and not to be readmitted for the next season.

 

This should hinder the clubs trying to be clever, lay down a marker for persistant offenders and remove poorly run clubs from what is after all Senior football.

 

I do feel sorry for clubs on the receiving end and I also have sympathy for the league as it leaves then in an incideous position. However neither the league nor the better run clubs should have to put up with cancelled fixtures because of poor administration, lack of loyatly to a club or a pure cynical approach to the beautiful game!!

 

 

Knapmeister a good post,but why stop there,What about the Clubs who are denying others promotion by not having the right facilities,Lights etc.They are gaining an unfair advantage(financially)by not having to stage Midweek night games.The Clubs in the Premier whose grounds are not up to scratch,and have not been for years.You cannot just pick and choose as many seem to, what they turn a blind eye to.

[Smudge]

Smudge have you swalloed happy pills where Croydon are concerneD!!

 

Im not saying anyone has committed a crime but this is not sunday football - unable to field a side!! Teams have plenty of days to find a maximun of 11 players to play and its a shambles!

 

Maybe the league should only let sides enter it if they have a reserve side that way first team games can be fulfilled!

 

It makes a mockery of the league that week in week out teams can just say that they cant raise a side due to whatever. The argument that they let the league know well in advance is total rubbish because well in adavnce means that they had plenty of time to sign players and find a team able to play today!

 

We know nothing about the situation at Croydon this week or Chobham a few weeks back- do we need to know!! No we just know that they cant find 11 players!

 

Both of them sides do not have reserve sides but I think Im right in saying Croydon have a youth side?? are they not signed to CCL?

 

The ruling needs to be changed and made clearer from a league perspective.

If not I can see a few shrewd managers- me included in using this loop hole to gain an advantage!!

 

TUCKS BEHAVE ! ARE YOU SAYING THAT DIXON GILL DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PLAYER CONTACTS. ISN'T HE THE ONE, AS CONFIRMED WITH WHEN SMUDGE MOANED ON ANOTHER OLD THREAD, OM HOW MANY PLYERS HE GOES THRU' I THINK OVER 60 AT ONE STAGE (I STAND CORRECTED) ! THE SWITCHING AND CHANGING OF PLAYERS FOR EVERY GAME MAYBE GILL'S DOWNFALL AND POSSIBLY HIS MAN MANAGEMENT SKILLS NEEDS ADDRESSING ?

 

PERHAPS 'COS OF GILL'S CONSTANT PLAYER CHANGES CAUSES UNREST AND PLAYERS FELL THEY HAVE THE P*SS TAKEN OUT OF THEM SO LEAVE, PERSONALLY I DON'T BLAME THEM.................THIS COULD BE THE REASON WHY HE CAN'T GET A TEAM OUT.......BUT THEN AGAIN I COULD BE WRONG !

 

 

NICE GUY,NAIL ON HEAD,My sources tell me after Wednesday's defeat,the Players were asked to train on Thursday,very few turned up.Maybe this was the reason.

[The Fan]

IT seems because this is a premier side, it has made people stand up and think. IN my opinion teams should be fined and 3-0 win awarded to opposition. please dont leave it to peoples discreation. as some of us can embelish the truth better than others. JUSTICE FOR HAYES GATE.

[Green_Fingers]

I think many posters underestimate the quality of League Officials we have that will ultimately make the decision on what sanction Croydon will "win" for failing to fulfill a fixture.

 

As VP & Krooner both point out, the League will make a decision based on evidence provided and my guess is that those who sit on that Committee will have seen / heard just about every excuse / valid reason for postponement and will come to the correct decision based on the facts of this particular case.

 

The rules allow them to a) expel the Club from the League deduct up to a maximum 3 points c) fine them £250 - £1000 plus opposition costs d) award points to the Club not at fault - or any combination of these sanctions.

 

There is no rule that allows the awarding of goals

 

Clubs agree & sign up to these rules each season so I guess if some don't like them, try & get them changed to suit

[PurpleTram]

SOMETHING SUSPICIOUS IS GOING ON AT CROYDON IF NOT, THEN PURPLETRAM / SMIDGE LET'S HAVE IT, DON'T BE SHY IF THERE'S NOTHING TO HIDE !!!

 

Nothing suspicious, nothing to hide, but also nothing that is going to be discussed on a public forum yet. Suffice to say, we have some stuff to sort out this week.

 

As for the punishments regarding non-fulfilment of fixtures, I agree that, other than absolutely exceptional circumstances, the points should be awarded to the other team.

[tempestward]

Right let me just get this right. The ruling now is that if a team is unable to field a side due to illness, players walkout or another excuse the points are not awarded but the game gets re-scheduled. So if this is the case, what about the scenario of title decider end of season team A is missing several of their better players and decide to get game called off due to players "illness". Team B has to accept this and game gets re-scheduled so team A suffer a hefty fine but can now field a full strength side. Team A go onto win the game and title. Surely the ruling is floored??

 

 

Surely the ruling is floored?? Not as flawed as some of the spelliing on this site!Meanwhile, we await developments as we are to host Croydon on Saturday.

Edited October 30, 2010 by tempestward

[Green_Fingers]

Right let me just get this right. The ruling now is that if a team is unable to field a side due to illness, players walkout or another excuse the points are not awarded but the game gets re-scheduled. So if this is the case, what about the scenario of title decider end of season team A is missing several of their better players and decide to get game called off due to players "illness". Team B has to accept this and game gets re-scheduled so team A suffer a hefty fine but can now field a full strength side. Team A go onto win the game and title. Surely the ruling is floored??

 

 

Surely the ruling is floored?? Not as flawed as some of the spelliing on this site!Meanwhile, we await developments as we are to host Croydon on Saturday.

 

Is that 2 i's in spelling I spot Tempy