Anyone going to Leighton...

[Tom]

I understand that....

 

Sometimes you have to take a risk to get a result and it could have paid off. He could have sent the same side out but given the 1st half performance what was the chance of change? He had to make a least 2 subs regardless - Logie was injured, Thomas didn't look interested, Swift had his mind on other things.

 

Managers like Mourinho (I'm not saying Anderson is Mourinho before anyway takes this the wrong way!) frequently make risky decisions, in his time at Chelsea he would bring subs on after 10-15mins, or make 3 changes at half time. That's want generally sets good managers them apart from the rest, being proactive and able to accept a risk.

 

I think there is a lot of praise for Anderson's decision to make the 3 subs at half time, but each to their own.

Edited October 29, 2010 by Tom

[Mark44]

So whats the difference between a managers negative comments to a supporters.

 

Yes the manager has more input but both are stakeholders in the club. Im sure Stuart has his reasons and I wish him well at Burnham and would say he is far too good for them. But if he has left because of comments on here then I am bitterly disappointed as I thought he was better than that.

[Windsor Rebel]

The difference is most managers have the respect of the players because they have either played or managed at a decent level and therefore know more

about the game than most supporters, who generally have not played or managed. Therefore their comments hold more weight.

[Mark44]

Yes I agree that the managers have the relevant experience but that's not to say that the supporters know nothing about football. The supporters commitment to the club is lifelong and that cant be changed and so surely their input matters at some kind of level.

 

Also supporters watch enough football to know when a player is not performing and most of what I have seen on here in constructive if taken the right way.

 

I will go back to a comment I made about Garry Sippetts being an old man. Since this comment amongst others have been made Sippetts scored, did the old man celebration and then since has been in the form of his life and one of our best players when he has been given the chance. 5 goals in his last two games in fact. Why can't all criticism be taken this way as Sippo has proved me wrong and I would hope that others who have been targeted will be motivated to prove the supporters wrong and turn it around.

[Windsor Rebel]

Mark44: unfortunately not all players react in the same way as Sippo. As I have stated previously, if you are a player and you are having a bad game you know that

in yourself, and certainly dont need to be told by anyone, especially someone who has not played the game. The worst thing you can do as a supporter is get on

a players case when they are not performing well, as some of our so-called supporters do, believe me it is no good for morale. Supporters getting behind a team

will egg a player on, getting on a players case will have the adverse effect.

[Mark44]

I agree with you but I think there has to be a balance, i think it is good for a player to have constructive criticism so that they can keep their feet on the ground.

 

Yes some of the comments on here are out of order but some are perfectly fine.

 

For example: "over the past couple of games Player x has not been his best, for the next game id give player y a chance"

 

I believe that this is good for the team and creates competition for places.

[Windsor Rebel]

I agree, that kind of comment is fine, its the "why dont we get rid of player z " comment I object too

[Mark44]

I too agree that is out of order

 

If a player is surplus to requirements then fine but some comments on here are like "player F is [censored] and we need to get rid of him " which is unfair on the player

[Staines-upon-Thames Rebel]

The issue of subs is a gamble, as was seen at Leighton this week - Danny Burnell was bought on durring the second half and then got sent off, so we were down to 10 men.

 

The gamble Dave Anderson made nearly paid off straight away, but we could just of easily ended up with 9 on the pitch.

 

Steve Bateman is known for holding back with subs which could restrict the chances by not changing a team around, but we have not finished a game light on players due to running out of subs due to injuries.

 

Both methods have there strengths and weaknesses.

[3spirit]

Like everything, there's pros and cons to the substitute system.I concurred with Dave Anderson's three subs approach at the time and nothing has changed since.If we had won the game in that second half,everyone would be saying what a tactical genius,Dave Anderson is.

We certainly deserved more than what we got but sometimes you don't always get what you deserve.

 

I'm sorry to see Stuart Swift go [if he's going?] as he's a fine footballer but if his hearts not in it because of a clash of personality or by various people's opinions,then perhaps it's best all round that he departs,as Slough's team are going to have to pull together and dig their way out of the current predictament,if they want to make the play-offs .This means strong,focused characters are needed and true respect for the manager and his coaching staff.

[Reading Rebel]

You are wrong, several of the players I have spoken to have been pissed off with the negative comments on here, and two of them have left the club

partly because of those negative comments. I am not saying that is the main reason they have left, but it is one of the reasons. I wil leave you to guess

who those two players are.

 

 

WR, I can pretty much guess who the two players are.

 

I would also hazard a guess that if those 2 players were in the starting 11 they would still be at the club regardless of the comments on this forum.

[Reading Rebel]

RR: have you thought of applying for the manager's job? In my view the subs were good decisions, as we had a lot more spark after those three came on. Also,

if a manager thinks a player is not performing, he will take him off at any time, be it half time or even before half time in some of the games I have played in over

the years, regardless or whether or not the side may pick up injuries.

 

 

WR, no I haven't thought about applying for the manager's job. Like a lot of supporters we often talk as if we could do better but in practice we'd be useless. What about your good self? you seem to have the necessary qualifications i.e. played at a reasonable level of football and talk a good game.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree as to whether it was a good decision to use all 3 subs at half but IMO it was only with good fortune, luck or whatever you would like to call it that the decision didn't back-fire.

 

Again I'm not talking about making decisions in park football but at say, level 5 and upwards how many times have you seen manager's use all his subs at half-time when it wasn't through injuries?.

[Reading Rebel]

I understand that....

 

Sometimes you have to take a risk to get a result and it could have paid off. He could have sent the same side out but given the 1st half performance what was the chance of change? He had to make a least 2 subs regardless - Logie was injured, Thomas didn't look interested, Swift had his mind on other things.

 

Managers like Mourinho (I'm not saying Anderson is Mourinho before anyway takes this the wrong way!) frequently make risky decisions, in his time at Chelsea he would bring subs on after 10-15mins, or make 3 changes at half time. That's want generally sets good managers them apart from the rest, being proactive and able to accept a risk.

 

I think there is a lot of praise for Anderson's decision to make the 3 subs at half time, but each to their own.

 

 

It was a gamble that in hindsight didn't back-fire but if we had got drubbed or just beaten playing with 9 or 10 players on the park the after match discussions/views would have been totally different.

 

Again I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Reading Rebel]

The difference is most managers have the respect of the players because they have either played or managed at a decent level and therefore know more

about the game than most supporters, who generally have not played or managed. Therefore their comments hold more weight.

 

 

WR,

 

I would assume that you mean that most supporters have generally not played 'at a decent level' or managed. I would say that in general most supporters have played football at one level or another.

 

Agreed that if you have played and managed at a decent level then you will probably command more respect from most players.

[staines_rebel_Jr]

One major problem with Swifty leaving (if he does) is that the only left sided player we will have is danny murphy, and i THINK he may still not be 100% as everytime i see him come out for the second half he is usually taking a pain killer (I could be wrong)

 

 

Also we will not have ANY wingers as sinclair is also out due to injury. This will mean that our play will most likely have to becom very narrow and Murphy and Sweeney will be doing a lot of running.

 

 

[Staines-upon-Thames Rebel]

Going back to the original point of this post, as I think most of us on here have got totally bored with the ifs, buts and could have beens, the debate over what is the acceptable level player critisisum, and who is best placed to take over from Bateman - the Reading Rebel V Windsor Rebel debate is a whole new thread, the lack of debate about the speed of the catering at Leighton (no que this time) was worrying, however, Araas did you get your lift?

[Reading Rebel]

One major problem with Swifty leaving (if he does) is that the only left sided player we will have is danny murphy, and i THINK he may still not be 100% as everytime i see him come out for the second half he is usually taking a pain killer (I could be wrong)

 

 

Also we will not have ANY wingers as sinclair is also out due to injury. This will mean that our play will most likely have to becom very narrow and Murphy and Sweeney will be doing a lot of running.

 

 

 

 

Oh to have Chris Heron back. I see he scored for Arlesey last week.

 

Again, with hindsight, a mistake to let him go.

[Reading Rebel]

Going back to the original point of this post, as I think most of us on here have got totally bored with the ifs, buts and could have beens, the debate over what is the acceptable level player critisisum, and who is best placed to take over from Bateman - the Reading Rebel V Windsor Rebel debate is a whole new thread, the lack of debate about the speed of the catering at Leighton (no que this time) was worrying, however, Araas did you get your lift?

 

 

Definately Windsor Rebel.

 

He's played at a higher level than me, lol