GET YOUR HOUSE IN ORDER

[TRS]

But it's all the Refs fault they lose of course.

 

Absolutely GF and don't you forget it

 

Seriously though, who'd be a ref (or lino)? Rarely any credit but every mistake leapt upon (and i'm as guilty as most here!).

 

In the game I saw yesterday at Guildford, I thought the ref made a mistake giving a penalty (others may disagree) but several players also made mistakes which could have cost their team the game. The officials making mistakes is as big a part of the game as the star striker missing a sitter or the defender making a clumsy challenge in the box to concede a last minute penalty that loses his team the game. Swings and roundabouts.

[Teflon]

But it's all the Refs fault they lose of course.

 

Absolutely GF and don't you forget it

 

Seriously though, who'd be a ref (or lino)? Rarely any credit but every mistake leapt upon (and i'm as guilty as most here!).

 

In the game I saw yesterday at Guildford, I thought the ref made a mistake giving a penalty (others may disagree) but several players also made mistakes which could have cost their team the game. The officials making mistakes is as big a part of the game as the star striker missing a sitter or the defender making a clumsy challenge in the box to concede a last minute penalty that loses his team the game. Swings and roundabouts.

 

Careful TRS for having that opinion you'll have Smudge after you

[Smudge]

Totally agree about swings and roundabouts,the irony is Mr Sotoromorin,missed two Red Card offences,I got slated to a degree by a poster on here,then 4 days later low and behold the Ref sends a Player Off for no Physical Contact at all,in my opinion,but I need my glasses for both.Add in Mr Choi,s howler at Badshot things are on the slide.

[Footy Mad]

Totally agree about swings and roundabouts,the irony is Mr Sotoromorin,missed two Red Card offences,I got slated to a degree by a poster on here,then 4 days later low and behold the Ref sends a Player Off for no Physical Contact at all,in my opinion,but I need my glasses for both.Add in Mr Choi,s howler at Badshot things are on the slide.

 

 

Things aren't that bad Smudge, I was excellent yesterday.

Helped with the shopping, put the hoover round, cut the grass ..... got nothing but praise from the better half

[Terrence Collina]

Something is going wrong with officials, over the last 10 years they appear to be getting worse. You do get the odd one or two who are good, but basic skills of being correctly positioned, working as a team with their assistants etc have gone to pot.

 

Yesterday we went to penalties against a team that are a division below (we should have have got that far). Before the kicks the referee spoke to me and the other keeper and said remember to not come off your line before the kick is taken. What happens, the penalty that was saved by the other keeper he was 3 yards off his line before it was kicked. When I asked the assistant to raise his flag to say he was off his line, the assistant told me there was a tollerance level!!!

[Smudge]

Totally agree about swings and roundabouts,the irony is Mr Sotoromorin,missed two Red Card offences,I got slated to a degree by a poster on here,then 4 days later low and behold the Ref sends a Player Off for no Physical Contact at all,in my opinion,but I need my glasses for both.Add in Mr Choi,s howler at Badshot things are on the slide.

 

 

Things aren't that bad Smudge, I was excellent yesterday.

Helped with the shopping, put the hoover round, cut the grass ..... got nothing but praise from the better half

 

 

Footy,exactly the point,a good Ref going to waste,but at least brownie points earned.

[Finchy]

E&E Supporter makes some excellent points, and whilst I accept that the player slipped rather than dived, and it was certainly decent of him to admit the penalty shouldn’t have been given, he still threw his hands up to appeal for a penalty when lying on the ground. Rather than crucifying a young official for getting the decision wrong and starting threads about getting houses in order I would look closer to home and be more concerned about the fundamental widespread attempts of players, supporters, club officials, etc. to deceive referees. Is it any wonder they get so many decisions wrong when most of us try whatever it takes to gain an unfair advantage?

 

You’re never going to eradicate mistakes, be it from referees, players or managers. I make several with every matchday programme I do but wouldn’t expect to get widespread abuse for doing so.

 

The small guy with the glasses is indeed out Assistant Manager and it was to his credit that he was reflecting more on the missed chances than the refereeing errors. As has been said, had we taken even half of our chances we would have been out of sight by the time all the controversy occurred.

 

 

 

[eefc supporter]

E&E Supporter makes some excellent points, and whilst I accept that the player slipped rather than dived, and it was certainly decent of him to admit the penalty shouldn’t have been given, he still threw his hands up to appeal for a penalty when lying on the ground. Rather than crucifying a young official for getting the decision wrong and starting threads about getting houses in order I would look closer to home and be more concerned about the fundamental widespread attempts of players, supporters, club officials, etc. to deceive referees. Is it any wonder they get so many decisions wrong when most of us try whatever it takes to gain an unfair advantage?

 

You’re never going to eradicate mistakes, be it from referees, players or managers. I make several with every matchday programme I do but wouldn’t expect to get widespread abuse for doing so.

 

The small guy with the glasses is indeed out Assistant Manager and it was to his credit that he was reflecting more on the missed chances than the refereeing errors. As has been said, had we taken even half of our chances we would have been out of sight by the time all the controversy occurred.

 

Very much agree Finchy . I think the question moves on to what can we all do to improve the atmosphere,respect and sportsmanship games are being conducted in . I think that might be worth a thread on it's own.

 

 

[manager50]

I have just read most of this and thought I would add my view on some of the content.

The referee did not directly lose us the points, which is something I have always preached. However, as a manager I have been in many situations (like most of us) when a single goal advantage leaves you concerned that one chance may come the opponents way and they nick something. I can honestly say that our defence was so in control that even when Mr Earle confirmed about 3 minutes to go I could see no danger of the points going anywhere but to us. We went with a game plan, played it perfectly, dominated all but 15 minutes of the match and should have won.

El Gaffer is right that, had we taken the chance to get that third goal, all of this would have been irrelevant. I have the option to do something about that. We had two strikers fail to turn up on Saturday so went with 3 subs. The two that had taken a bit of stick were retained because they are good players and I do not dispense of people just because of a couple of below par perfomances and training was designed to get at Epsom in a way that suits our style. The first goal being a wide midfield player creating the opportunity for the other wide midfield player to score was an example of how you can score goals without an out and out goalscorer. The whole team were excellent and the football played was good to watch. My option is to trust the lads we have, which Saturday would have worked. The other option is to go out and get a goal scorer as such and rely on that person to get our goals. I am not suggesting that this is what I will do but - I have that option and can do it. The mission last week was to watch Epsom, find a way to beat them, put that into practice on Thursday, then send my side out to do the job on the Saturday. I can, to a certain degree, control all of those things.

My players are very loyal and hard working - something Lyndon stressed to his side after the game Saturday. I know some wag will point out the two lads not showing up as proof that my point about loyalty is misplaced, but there are circumstances that I know of surrounding this. I care about my lads and had one player come back from an injury during which time he has shown a great dedication to getting back fit and gets his reward with a start at Epsom. A freak injury leaves him in hospital and out of football for some time but, more importantly, he will not be able to work as a self employed sparky for a while - that bothers me and, although it is part of life, I sincerely feel for him far more than the football aspect of picking up points.

We have two players sent off, the first being an absolute farcical decision, regardless of the validity of the penalty given. The other lad could be argued as deserving of his, but the truth is that this decsion was really not warranted in the spirit of the game. These two lads will miss a game each, plus will have to pay fines of £30 - £50 for the privilege, and this is something neither of them can really afford - we make players pay their fines normally. I understand that the club have kindly offered to pay all fines incurred Saturday. I know there is mention of the decisions being reversed, but this is not possible as one was the "professional" foul and the other two yellows - neither was mistaken identity, so they will stand in my view.

It was very frustrating and I took the whole thing very personally on the day and must admit that in the heat of the moment told my people that was it for me and could not put the effort into it that I do and have it all ruined by circumstances beyond my control. I would imagine that this was probably not put as calmly as written, but the gist of it was quite clear.

Wrongly, I chose to realy this information to the referee and gave him a verbal rollocking on the pitch and acted totally out of character. My actions were bang out of order and the referee should not have been subjected to that. He may have been the worst referee ever, a total homer, whatever - none of which he was I must stress - but it was wrong of me to react. It will obviously come back to cause me some grief in the coming weeks, but that is something I will have to deal with.

Hopefully, we will bounce back and thankfully have another game tomorrow to get our teeth into, but it ended up as a bad day for me personally. Football is my chance to get away from the stress and strain of work, and I have made friends with so many people over the years, so I like to enjoy it. I have thought of nothing much else since Saturday and it makes me feel a bit flat to be honest, so roll on tomorrow night and the chance to move on. Oh, and thanks for all the supportive comments from people who know what I really am like!

[Ex EL_Gaffer]

Yet another good, honest post from you Manager50 and I always find myself nodding in agreement when reading your posts.

 

Like you I can never get the last game out of my head until the next game is played and re-run it over in my head time after time!

 

Good luck tomorrow

[tonydk]

Manager50

 

as stated before...another good post

 

i will say it must have really got to you as in all the games i have been the referee and you the manager you were always polite and well behaved...no matter what was going on during the game...what decisions i was making....and we always had a chat after the game in the bar afterwards...talking about the decisions i had made and why...i am sure we didn't agree on all virws but learned from each other.

best of luck for the season and maybe see each other at a suburban fl game again like earlier in the season when i did your reserves

[catweazle]

Ahem - that's my job, thankless though it is!!!

 

Not a message to the posters that post on here,but a message to the C.C.L. Committee,Teffers were you at the Moatside today NO,so how you can trot out the same old guff about Players ability,confounds me,as for we get the level of Officials we deserve, that is a ludicrous statement.Example today player goes down with nasty ankle injury,Molesey player kicks ball out,stretcher is bought on by myself,when the game restarts,Epsom player takes throw in,back to Molesey keeper,Ref blows for foul throw,maybe it was but after 10 mins stoppage does anyome care about how the ball gets back,more worried about the Player for Christ sake.Molesey played all the Football in this game,the first Penalty was a soft one,the second ,I ask anyone in the ground,beside the Ref, to say what it was for,but to then brandish Red,was an utter disgrace.The blame lies at the door of the C.C.L./F.A.,Referees Sec,you are fast tracking these youngsters,who when things do not go right ,PANIC,CARDS GO FLASHING,WHEN THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE MADE GLARING ERRORS.But like all things to do with the F.A,ITS THE PLAYERS AND CLUBS THAT HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR THEIR GLARING ERRORS,mark him low you have to pay for a hearing,I believe.Be Proud of yourself Mr O'Shea you earnt the Surrey F.A. BUNDLES TODAY,you were atrocious if you want my name and telephone number PETER EATON 0208 405 8279,call me,you spoilt my day,and everyone who had paid good money to watch.MOLESEY WERE ROBBED SMUDGE SAYS SO.FAST TRACKING STINKS,GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER C.C.L.,3 GAMES IN A ROW I HAVE SEEN POOR OFFICIALS,CAN I ALWAYS BE WRONG.

 

 

 

Surely a message to the CCL should not be posted here? Perhaps a letter with your CV to Alan Constable might get you the thankless tasks of appointing referees in the CCL.

 

 

 

[Smudge]

Catweazle,not an easy job to do appointing Referee's,with 90 Officials to allocate games too most weeks.But is there a criteria that you use,or are you reliant on other Leagues and their take up of Officials from your list.Think that all Officials should be in contact with one another,during the game with buzzers,Good Refs.should get regular games,which at present does not seem to be happening,as well as Assistants.I think that some Refs do not want their Assistants helping with crucial decisions,others work as a Team.The Guildford Penalty on Saturday was a prime example,the Ref. was in a poor position to give the decision he gave,but a Player hit the floor in the Penalty box,Penalty,but his Assistant who was well placed to see the incident,never raised his Flag,because he saw the player get the ball cleanly,and it was not a foul.This I think is the problem I have with the current Refereeing system,why have Assistants if you are not going to use them,or if a decision is wrong alter it,we all make mistakes,Even Me.Any positions going in the Refereeing Dept.I see their are 5 of you already,so maybe not.