Ed Milibrand

[Eastside Urchin]

Nope,just saying they would be more effective than that back stabbing plonker who runs the labour party

[Loose]

Ed Milliband runs the Labour Party no more than you or I do EU. However this Budget does more to see him win the next election as the Labour Party's "titular head" then any manifesto they could come up with on their own.

[Eastside Urchin]

ok he doesn'r RUN the party but he is their focal point.

The fact that the tories budget gives him/they a chance at the next election tells us all we need to know about this Labour party.

[Loose]

Can't disagree with that EU, neither of the Milliband brothers are exactly in the John Smith mould are they? But at the same time Call me Plonker Dave is hardly covering himself and the blue rinses with glory either, since campaigning as they usually do on the We Listen to the People manifesto the people are literally screaming at them not to fck up the NHS, Public Services, Education and Business but all they are really doing is looking after the rich (and themselves) as usual with cuts in high end taxes.

[Loose]

Heres an example. After previously giving the banks £150bn to use expressly for loans to small and medium size businesses which were promptly tucked away and NOT used for loans to small and medium sized businesses what was their next step?

 

Not exactly getting tough on banks which some might say have been the root cause of our financial and economic difficulties?

[missunderstood]

Can't disagree with that EU, neither of the Milliband brothers are exactly in the John Smith mould are they? But at the same time Call me Plonker Dave is hardly covering himself and the blue rinses with glory either, since campaigning as they usually do on the We Listen to the People manifesto the people are literally screaming at them not to fck up the NHS, Public Services, Education and Business but all they are really doing is looking after the rich (and themselves) as usual with cuts in high end taxes.

 

IMO John Smith only really gained in statue after his premature death, and the last leader who put the aspirations and principles of the Labour Party and the working class people that the party was formed to represent was Harold Wilson. Tony Benn or Robin Cook may have become great leaders but would have almost certainly suffered the same fate as Michael Foot who was destroyed by the gutter press and the intellectually inept who believe every word written in the Sun. Blair and Brown were both class traitors who were only really interested in appeasing the right wing Tory press and rich industrialist, and care little for the decent people that elected them.

 

As far as I can see, the only reason to vote labour is because they are the best of an incredibly p1ss poor bunch of hypocrites and liars.

[Loose]

Can't disagree with that EU, neither of the Milliband brothers are exactly in the John Smith mould are they? But at the same time Call me Plonker Dave is hardly covering himself and the blue rinses with glory either, since campaigning as they usually do on the We Listen to the People manifesto the people are literally screaming at them not to fck up the NHS, Public Services, Education and Business but all they are really doing is looking after the rich (and themselves) as usual with cuts in high end taxes.

 

IMO John Smith only really gained in statue after his premature death, and the last leader who put the aspirations and principles of the Labour Party and the working class people that the party was formed to represent was Harold Wilson. Tony Benn or Robin Cook may have become great leaders but would have almost certainly suffered the same fate as Michael Foot who was destroyed by the gutter press and the intellectually inept who believe every word written in the Sun. Blair and Brown were both class traitors who were only really interested in appeasing the right wing Tory press and rich industrialist, and care little for the decent people that elected them.

 

As far as I can see, the only reason to vote labour is because they are the best of an incredibly p1ss poor bunch of hypocrites and liars.

 

The main difference between the two parties are that the Tories shoot themselves in the foot with their at the trough greed and Labour get shot in the foot by the unions.

 

Labour do need to return to their traditional values and cease their "sponsorship" by the unions.

[Horace]

But after the Tory policies have returned the country to some sort of prosperity, the nasty taste of the medicine will have been forgotten!.

 

I was born into a socialist community (coal miners) where it was confidently felt that even a donkey wearing a red rosette would be elected ahead of any sort of Tory. I was spoonfed working class values throughout my formative years, and, of course, voted Labour for many years. I began working for the "social security" and it was there that I began to realise that, just as the fat cat tory's dipped their snouts into the trough, so did the downtrodden masses! Socialism is fine except that it is let down by human nature! Unless you have a Joe Stalin in charge, the poor will rip the State off, just as the Toffs do. Trouble is, there's a lot more of the former than there are the latter!

It's no surprise that Labour had to be re-invented as New Labour, as it was dead as a workable model in the modern day.

Left to their own devices, at best, the "working classes" would sit around and wait for the toffs to create jobs for them; at worst they would just sit around. Much as I detest being overtaken on my bike by some Hooray Henry or his Mrs in a Range Rover, I grudgingly accept them as the price for overall national prosperity.

(My late dad would be turning in his grave if he could read this!)

[The Doog is King]

But after the Tory policies have returned the country to some sort of prosperity, the nasty taste of the medicine will have been forgotten!.

 

I was born into a socialist community (coal miners) where it was confidently felt that even a donkey wearing a red rosette would be elected ahead of any sort of Tory. I was spoonfed working class values throughout my formative years, and, of course, voted Labour for many years. I began working for the "social security" and it was there that I began to realise that, just as the fat cat tory's dipped their snouts into the trough, so did the downtrodden masses! Socialism is fine except that it is let down by human nature! Unless you have a Joe Stalin in charge, the poor will rip the State off, just as the Toffs do. Trouble is, there's a lot more of the former than there are the latter!

It's no surprise that Labour had to be re-invented as New Labour, as it was dead as a workable model in the modern day.

Left to their own devices, at best, the "working classes" would sit around and wait for the toffs to create jobs for them; at worst they would just sit around. Much as I detest being overtaken on my bike by some Hooray Henry or his Mrs in a Range Rover, I grudgingly accept them as the price for overall national prosperity.

(My late dad would be turning in his grave if he could read this!)

 

Congratulations Horace.

Rhodes is now in second place in the contest for the most small minded and ignorant post of 2012.

[Loose]

I wonder whether this country is getting to the stage of needing less government and not increased regulation and economic interference. The argument is that left to it's own devices an economy will right itself with prices, jobs and pay rising and falling more fairly regionally dependent on demand. Margaret Thatcher heavily promoted this in her 1979 government but of course proved she didn't really want this with her interference in privatisation. Both parties now are determined to increase Government influence and both each claim to be able to do more with less but end up re-organising Public Services, Education, NHS and Social Care in turn increasing spend and at the same time losing valuable skills gained following a previous re-organisation.

 

I don't particularly subscribe to the working man sitting around waiting for a handout or a clue theory as it has never been the case in history where the "Toff" has been busy getting his hands dirty lol. What we have always had however is a poor level of reward for the producers of wealth instead of the organisers of wealth.

Edited March 23, 2012 by Loose

[The Doog is King]

Call me naive but I believe that a large proportion of the unemployed would rather have the self respect of earning a wage and also miss the social aspect of work.

 

It is very easy to dismiss the "working classes" as "lazy". I dont think "they" are more or less lazy than any other section of society.

[Rhodes]

Doog is King - I couldn't agree more, you would have thought Looseley would boast an old school mentality, having grown up in the 70's, but sadly he doesn't appear to have

[Olafobi Bakayakadingdong]

Mr Naiive, as much i would like to agree with you, i think that most people out of work are more interested in watching Jeremy Kyle & Loose Women, because they have everything provided on a plate for them. There is a family in my block of flats, who do not work, they have 4 children, they all have smartphones, the man has a sports car & the lady a Mercedes 4 wheel drive. Their rent is paid & also their council tax. I do not know, but it would not surprise me if they had ipads & Sky tv as well. Do they really need a job with all trimmings they already receive ?

I may get abuse from my job, but i work hard & my Papa gave me & my 8 brothers & sisters a strong work ethic.

I prefer to do that, than live off handouts.

 

[missunderstood]

I wonder whether this country is getting to the stage of needing less government and not increased regulation and economic interference. The argument is that left to it's own devices an economy will right itself with prices, jobs and pay rising and falling more fairly regionally dependent on demand. Margaret Thatcher heavily promoted this in her 1979 government but of course proved she didn't really want this with her interference in privatisation. Both parties now are determined to increase Government influence and both each claim to be able to do more with less but end up re-organising Public Services, Education, NHS and Social Care in turn increasing spend and at the same time losing valuable skills gained following a previous re-organisation.

 

I don't particularly subscribe to the working man sitting around waiting for a handout or a clue theory as it has never been the case in history where the "Toff" has been busy getting his hands dirty lol. What we have always had however is a poor level of reward for the producers of wealth instead of the organisers of wealth.

 

On balance i would prefer more, not less government as long as it was a fair government that looked after the majority rather than the minority.

 

I have recently returned from a few weeks in Singapore, a City State that seemingly has a government that rules with an iron fist in a velvet glove. Despite having a diverse ethnic mix of different races and religions everyone appears to live in perfect harmony, the whole infrastructure runs like clockwork, and crime is almost non existent, the singaporean health service is apparently superior to ours, as is their education system. Work-wise there is ample opportunities for foreign workers although they do positively discriminate in favour of singaporean workers when possible, with no accusations of racism from any quarter as far as I know. I found Singapore to be far from perfect, but never the less a modern vibrant society that the rest of the world could consider using as a blue print for creating the closest thing I have ever seen to a near perfect society.

 

With regards to unemployment in the UK, IMO the vast majority of unemployed people are desperate to work, but I do accept that there are far to many worthless layabouts that will never make a contribution to society unless they are forced into situation where they have no option. Instead of raising the retirement age, perhaps the government should consider lowering it as an aging workforce could reasonably be thought of as job blocking and stopping many of the next generation of ever enjoying the benefits of a decent career.

[Eastside Urchin]

It helps somewhat that singapore has a population the size of birmingham.

My friend works there,there is crime although very very minimal,with another 40 million people though would it run as clockwork????

 

Horace I totally agree with your post.

My whole family are labour,I am politically looked down at by them for daring to go against Labour but I am no Tory,just despise the unions and there stranglehold on the labour party.If the unions were not involved i may look at labour in a different light but until then I will vote against them or choose not to vote at all whichi have done in the past.

[Olafobi Bakayakadingdong]

I have nothing against the labour party. It was formed to be a voice for the working class, but the trouble with the people currently representing labour is they are not working class. They come from public schooling, go to university & almost immediately become career politicians. They're in it for themselves not for their constituents. Mr Blair was a shocking disaster for Britain & Mr Cameron & Mr Osbourne & the british worker are picking up the tab. I liked Mr 2 Jags Prescott, he was a fool, but he was an honest fool, who spoke his mind & wasn't condescending. My MP is Dianne Abbott, she is a nice lady, but she talks too much. My neighbour Mr Alf says she's a 'facking disgrace Ola' & he says with people like her in East London, the next vote can go the other way & get the BNP in. He hates foreigners, but he likes me & my family. He is a good man, but an old man & can be very very rude like Mr Rhodes.

[Ezeugwunne Godwinchukwuma]

That Mr Alf comes in my shop and buys African Readers Wives from my under the counter range Mr Ola. Then he abuses me and throws his money at me a very nasty man but not at all like Mr Rhodes who is a gentleman and I do not know what you have taken against him for he is a friend of the great Mr Temile and very inportant. I like the BNP because they want to keep Britain for us British and keep the foreigners out.

[Loose]

Doog is King - I couldn't agree more, you would have thought Looseley would boast an old school mentality, having grown up in the 70's, but sadly he doesn't appear to have

 

WTF are you talking about Rhodesy? Another one of your little jibes when you have got the wrong end of a stick you are not even familiar with.

 

 

Now, Cash for Access, Private Dinners with Call me Plonker Dave for Donations and The Chance to Influence Government Policy. What was that we were saying about the Tories shooting themselves in the foot again?

[Rhodes]

I watched Miliband during the Cash For Access debate earlier today and although he was slightly better than normal he is still totally out of his depth when dealing with a stalwart like Francis Maude

[Pink Panther]

MIliband is the son of a Polish/ Belgian Marxist Jew. His mother was a campaigner for CND. If he becomes the next Prime minister i will Paint my [censored] Green outside Buckingham Palace. Shame really. I like the Guy and I was looking forward to it.

Edited March 27, 2012 by Pink Panther