Observation

[steve]

Before season 2006/07 there was never an issue regarding budgets, as far as I am aware teams paid expenses, and that’s all, Apart from the two seasons AFC Wimbledon, were in the CCL.

 

 

 

When clubs came across, from the old Ryman’s 2, in 2006 that’s when budgets started to rear its head.

 

That season I got the impression that these clubs thought they were dropping down a division, rather than moving across.

 

It’s also interesting to note that since then, with all their decent budgets, they have only won 1 trophy, Camberley League Cup.

 

 

 

So come on Wembley, Banstead, Camberley, Chertsey, Egham, Dorking, Epsom & Ewell, let’s see if you can win the title this year.

 

 

 

Not knocking these clubs, just an observation, I’ve got my own views on why big money clubs haven’t won the CCL title let’s have some of yours.

 

 

In my opinion if your known as a " big money club" it is very easy to attract players who are there for just the money and nothing else.

Having been at clubs and witnessed this, it can cause a big problem. Lack of desire,lack of effort and no team spirit.

Put them 3 together and you win nothing. I would also say that a big budget in the wrong hands is a recipe for disaster.

You might have money but if you dont have player knowledge,tactical know how and good man managment

then again you win nothing.

The only time this can work is if the money is that ridiculous that you will attract the best from much higher levels and they may just win you something on talent alone.

I think the best managers come from a background of none or little budget learning their trade and then find themselves with a budget to work with.

Whilst were on the subject can i please put to bed this rumour of Egham offering big money. Trust me i have signed every player at the club and although yes we do pay expenses it is not in the region of some of the "comments" i have seen on on here !

Dont know about other managers but when i sign a player and the first thing he mentions is money it puts me right of !

 

COME ON STEVE LETS BE REAL HERE, POMROY AIN''T CHEAP NEITHER ARE YOUR OTHER STRIKERS,NOR WOULD I IMAGINE THAT NOAD IS CHEAP EITHER. FOULSER CAN BE IN THEIR BRACKET AS WELL. EGHAM CERTAINLY HASN'T THE LOWEST BUDGET THATS FOR SURE....JUST BE HONEST !

I am being real. At what point have i said Egham have the lowest budget ?

The players you have mentioned are worth what their paid and if they went to another club would get more. (fact)

It just does my head in that the teams/managers/supporters who have no or little budget keep bleating on about it and blame the clubs that do. (except Sandhurst)

It also seems to be these clubs that start the rumours about what players are earning

What should we do refuse to pay anyone so we dont upset any other club.

The quicker people except it the better. If these clubs had someone offer them a healthy sum for players every week they would bite there arm of for it (hypocrites spring to mind!)

Anyway rant over.

PS:I have many faults but honesty is not one of them

Edited September 16, 2010 by steve

[Smudge]

Yeah T.C. but just think what a FIVER can get you.

[Dobo Snr]

Steve, I rarely post on this site, so I don’t bleat on or blame clubs who have budgets large or small, which is open to interpretation, I have said on this site before that I would love to run a team with a big budget, and the pressure that goes with it.

 

The point I was making was some clubs with decent budgets, in CCL haven’t delivered.

 

Why?

Edited September 16, 2010 by Dobo Snr

[steve]

Steve, I rarely post on this site, so I don’t bleat on or blame clubs who have budgets large or small, which is open to interpretation, I have said on this site before that I would love to run a team with a big budget, and the pressure that goes with it.

 

The point I was making was some clubs with decent budgets, in CCL haven’t delivered.

 

Why?

The problem is Dobo does anyone know what these teams budgets were ?

Bedfont Green, Merstham,North Greenford and Chipstead ?

Cant imagine any of them one the league paying nothing ?]

If they did fair play.

[Dobo Snr]

Steve, I rarely post on this site, so I don’t bleat on or blame clubs who have budgets large or small, which is open to interpretation, I have said on this site before that I would love to run a team with a big budget, and the pressure that goes with it.

 

The point I was making was some clubs with decent budgets, in CCL haven’t delivered.

 

Why?

The problem is Dobo does anyone know what these teams budgets were ?

Bedfont Green, Merstham,North Greenford and Chipstead ?

Cant imagine any of them one the league paying nothing ?]

If they did fair play.

Not sure about BG, or NG, but guessing that Merstham, and Chipstead didn’t have large budgets, just managers who had good player contacts.

 

Fine line between large and small budgets, let’s put it another way give me £600 a week and I’LL win the league within 2 season, if I didn’t I would walk away and be thinking that I’ve failed!! Honestly.

[Green_Fingers]

Steve, I rarely post on this site, so I don’t bleat on or blame clubs who have budgets large or small, which is open to interpretation, I have said on this site before that I would love to run a team with a big budget, and the pressure that goes with it.

 

The point I was making was some clubs with decent budgets, in CCL haven’t delivered.

 

Why?

The problem is Dobo does anyone know what these teams budgets were ?

Bedfont Green, Merstham,North Greenford and Chipstead ?

Cant imagine any of them one the league paying nothing ?]

If they did fair play.

Not sure about BG, or NG, but guessing that Merstham, and Chipstead didn’t have large budgets, just managers who had good player contacts.

 

Fine line between large and small budgets, let’s put it another way give me £600 a week and I’LL win the league within 2 season, if I didn’t I would walk away and be thinking that I’ve failed!! Honestly.

 

 

That's you sorted Dobo - what about players wages though?

 

 

[Dobo Snr]

GF, Like it never taken a penny even at AFC

 

 

[Krooner]

Dobo I would be surprised if Chipstead and Merstham didnt have decent budgets

 

 

[coupwotcoup]

Krooner you old dog.. how's life in CoCo Pops land? Camberley having a good season?

[Terrence Collina]

The year Godalming won the CCL they had a budget of £700 per week.

[coupwotcoup]

We pay that a year at Romford in Ryman North..

[Krooner]

Coupie they have started ok. How is your homeless incarnation of several other sides getting on ?

[coupwotcoup]

Doing okay fellah... might be in our new home in ten years.. or failing that, the Olympic Stadium might

be a consideration. A lot easier to get to for most of our fans than Aveley!

[Krooner]

Aveley. Yuk. Essex is so full of soulless places

[Jon Underwood]

Steve, I rarely post on this site, so I don’t bleat on or blame clubs who have budgets large or small, which is open to interpretation, I have said on this site before that I would love to run a team with a big budget, and the pressure that goes with it.

 

The point I was making was some clubs with decent budgets, in CCL haven’t delivered.

 

Why?

The problem is Dobo does anyone know what these teams budgets were ?

Bedfont Green, Merstham,North Greenford and Chipstead ?

Cant imagine any of them one the league paying nothing ?]

If they did fair play.

Not sure about BG, or NG, but guessing that Merstham, and Chipstead didn’t have large budgets, just managers who had good player contacts.

 

Fine line between large and small budgets, let’s put it another way give me £600 a week and I’LL win the league within 2 season, if I didn’t I would walk away and be thinking that I’ve failed!! Honestly.

 

 

Know where you are coming from Dobo Snr and feel the same way myself. Have been reading this thread (and other similar recent ones) with interest and thought I'd have my say for what it's worth.....

 

Like everyone else I mainly hear rumours about wage bills at other clubs plus a bit of inside info here and there but would guess that there are 2 clubs with £1000+ budgets then maybe a further five with £400-£700 and the top 6 or 7 places should belong to those sides come the end of the season. I'm personally not convinced this will be the case this season as I think one or two others may sneak in to the top 6 but I don't think I will be too far wrong come the end of the season.

 

The rest of the league I would guess pays a range starting at nothing or virtually nothing (but probably only 6-8 clubs in this bracket I would guess) and going up to £300-400 where you have clubs paying to £20/£30 to most of their players with a couple of 'star' players getting a little more.

 

Steve, Manager50 or anyone else in the know......you may have your own views on my guesswork above?!

 

Having said all of that, at the end of the day us managers generally take on a job knowing what you will have and what you won't have to spend and as Steve said earlier it's no use moaning about it or being jealous of the 'big money' teams, you have to get on with it and do the best you can. I know for the smaller clubs it's a big scalp when you go and beat one of the so-called 'big boys' and I for one have a little smile to myself whenever it happens.

 

There are some good sides in this league and some good players but there are also some very average players picking up good money and it's the good honest loyal players at the smaller clubs who I have the most respect for any day of the week.

[manager50]

Fizzer - the problem these days is the general cost of living as well. You mention clubs paying maybe £20-£30 a week, which is not much in itself. We played Ash away on Saturday, home to South park Tuesday and trained last night. A lad living in Sutton travelling to all of these may have done something in the region of 50 miles all told, maybe more. We pay 40p per mile at work, so that already equates to £20, so little left over from even £30. Travel will fluctuate around our squad, as some live really close and others further away, so I have used Sutton as a good average. We would love to have all local boys playing, but that does not happen that often. We are in an area where there are loads of good non league clubs, like many others, so there is stiff competition. So, the £30 mentioned does not seem excessive and over the period of a season would seem an acceptable sum if the club can afford it. However, we used 14 players at Ash and, with injuries and work, another 4 on Tuesday. If we pay them all this sum it comes to £540. This is deemed a top six budget, but if it is what we are paying, it is just a reasonable return for the cost of playing in the CCL. Now, I am not giving a sob story on behalf of players because as I have said previously, I do it all for nothing like most of us I would imagine. You will be exactly the same as me, probably involved in some form of football most nights, watching games, phoning around, planning all sorts, so we do it for the love and, in truth, because we cannot get out on the pitch and do it ourselves any more - not at a competitive level anyway. Players can get a game anywhere and drop a level with their mates but not be expected to train, so £20-£30 to do three sessions a week and often travelling distances midweek has no attraction. If we draw tomorrow, we will be going down to the New Forest on Tuesday and will need to leave about 4.30 - 5.00. If not, and I hope that is the case and we win, we play at home to you. The former would almost certainly mean not all of our lads could make the trip so, once again, we would have to draft others in and thus increase the amount of players used. I don't really know the answer and I do not begrudge players getting money, but you do hear of many players getting ridiculous sums of money to play in this league and, if that is the case and my calculations are right, there could be clubs paying £1,500 - £2,000 a week. I know this argument will be shot down by some who will say any money is too much, but the reality is that it is a fact of life in football now and does dictate a lot of who plays at which club. I had a conversation with someone the other day about a player, and know for a fact that this is kosher, but the view was he was not that bothered about playing at the moment but may well consider it if the right offer came along and, when I asked a figure, it was £80 - £100! The truth is, he may well get that, so good luck to him. We have a great bunch of lads at Molesey and I really enjoy working with them but also recall the Virginia Water days - cue Jurg to come on all emotional - and no money changed hands apart from them paying fines and the bar serving drinks. I was given £50 to do the job, which went on my phone bill, petrol and £30 behind the bar every Saturday at the club after a game - good times as well. Anyway, not a winge, we all know where we stand from the outset, so we just get on with it and, as you say, greater satisfaction comes when you know success comes from sheer graft and ability.

[Smudge]

A Great post Manager 50,many Players have jobs and have to juggle their work around their Football,in order to commit themselves to their first love that is Football.Giving up overtime on Saturdays,leaving work early for midweek fixtures,Training,etc.Then the cost of Travel to games,take Epsom and Ewell's next 3 games as an example,away to Camberley on Saturday,got to leave early incase M.25-M3 is blocked.Tuesday away to Cove leave work early for similar reasons,Saturday away to Wembley although not far can be a nightmare,traffic wise.So in what constitutes 1 week a big committment needs to be put in time wise,so I applaud Players for their effort in making this sacrifice,and if they get money good luck to them.We often hear on here that without Referees we would have no game,but they do not only do it for the love,£43 the Fee I think,so multiply that by 15= £645 and thats for 3 games not 1,3 lots of Expenses not 1,and a Ref has no chance of his Expenses being docked,unlike a Player if he is booked.So give up Playing and be a Ref. is my advice,your better off.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Smudge

[SurreysFinest]

Fizzer could have got you a brand new prediction game Smudge, who are the clubs in each expenses bracket.

[Smudge]

Fizzer could have got you a brand new prediction game Smudge, who are the clubs in each expenses bracket.

 

That would be a non starter S.F.Players exaggerate,Clubs Deny,so it would be a guessing game.I personally think that the Teams nearer the Bottom of the Premier,probably have a very small budget,or no budget.The rest no idea,except Chertsey who did post his.A better prediction game might be who is to get their GOLD MEMBERSHIP next,you would be a 50-1 outsider.

Edited September 17, 2010 by Smudge

[Dobo Snr]

A story re budgets a few seasons ago, when manager at RPV I put every player on a contract for £1 a week, which they put into a lottery. (Can’t do that now because of minimum wage).

 

The team who was doing well at the time was AFC WALLINGFORD, I think they won the league that year; well they had a tendency to give their players brown envelops, in front of the oppo players, so they could see what they were getting.

 

When we played them away that year, I thought we had a chance, of beating them, and we did 1 nil, at the end of the game I gave all the RPV players brown envelops, so the AFC Wallingford players could see, one player came up to a RPV player and said I didn’t think you got paid, and the RPV player said we don’t normally and he open the envelops in front of him, in it was a bit of paper with WELL DONE written on.

 

Great fun!