Dosnt your manager appreciate the supporters

[canfan]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by John Crawshaw:

<strong>Canfan, I wouldn't pay £8 to watch Canvey or Aldershot and as I said before your clubs relativly low attendances speak for themselves.</strong><hr></blockquote>

John, for your information Aldershot have the largest fan base in non league, (below the conference) and Canvey for sure do not have the least and what of the other Ryman league clubs that have less fans then Canvey are they charging to much?, (less than Canvey as you keep saying), so your argument about the prices keeping fans away from visiting the Lane is a non starter really!

What you are really saying is your not interested in Non league, (obvious by the sounds of how much you seem to know about it),

Q: why are you here on this discussion board?

And was you visited by the 3 ghost's on xmas eve?

Bar Humbug to you too!!!<p>

[Guest]

Canfan, I'm well aware of Aldershots large fan base, I'm sure you'll agree they also have a much better ground than Canvey, last nights opponents G&N also have a better ground and charge less to get in, see my point?

Vic, I don't have any anti Canvey agenda and I agree going over the same thing can get boring, I didn't intend to be rude suggesting somebody posted elsewhere, its just he/she was clearly unable to hold a reasoned debate.

Last nights events highlighted, no pun intended, some of the points I've made, leaving aside the game itself, there are postings that refer to chaos outside the ground with drivers unable to park, hundreds still queing outside when the game kicked off, programmes sold out and a floodlight failure and to cap it all the highest admission charge to get into arguably the divisions worst ground, if there is a worse one in Ryman Prem I've not been to it and I've been to most. Admittedly it was about 2 years ago when I last visited Park Lane and there may have been improvements made since but at the time I was suprised that it was acceptable for the Ryman Prem let alone the Conference.

[Guest]

Dear John, I too come from Kent and you are an embarassment to my county! I'm moving soon so could you tell me your address just in case I'm moving in next door then I can start looking for somewhere else!!!! <img src="graemlins/neon.gif" border="0" alt="[neon]" />

[Guest]

Don't worry Steve you won't be moving in next to me, but I'm wondering why you are not moving to that exotic island in the Thames you might feel more at home there, a lot of the residents there are also incapable of putting up a reasonable argument, strange though since last nights events a lot of people are saying a lot worse things about the club than I ever have.

[canfan]

Do you agree then that Aldershot are over charging? or not due to their ground being better then ours?

John 7 years ago we were in the Essex senior, a fast move by any standard to where we are today,(verging on promoion to the conference), So our ground is not exactly going to compare with ex non league clubs such as Aldershot and Gravesend who were Conference.

Our ground has improved over the last 2 years and was conference graded last year, I agree that it could do with some more work,(flood lights that work for starters), but it's no reason to say that we are being fleeced by our club in paying our 8 pounds!

Their are things I'll agree that the club could do fiacially to encourage youngtsers but thats another subject! <p>

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[Guest]

Canfan, I had said previously that I'd made my last posting but as your message is directed at me it would be rude of me to ignore it.

To answer your first two questions the point I was making is that if admission charges were related to the standard of the ground Canvey should be amongst the cheapest, not the dearest.

Yes, the Essex Senior league to where the club is now in 7 years is fast moving, but if I were to win the lottery and buy a club who are currently in said Essex league I could probably achieve the same success, is that really what non-league football is about?

Your ground clearly has not kept up but I'll take your word about improvements over the last 2 years, its nearly that long since I last went there. As for it being Conference standards I suspect many who attended the G&N game will have a vastly different opinion, when I was last there I was suprised it met Ryman Premier standards.

As for your last point, well at least we agree on something!

[Guest]

Sorry for butting in on this already extensive subject but I think Mr Crawshaw is missing a valuable point. <p>As far as I know Ray Cross has been making a loss with the club. The high (£1 dearer than everyone else!!!) gate prices are so that we can make improvements to the ground. If we still charged £5 as of a few years ago then Mr Cross would be making even more of a loss and therefore the limited funds that we have avaliable for ground improvements would be non existant.<p>John, it doesn't take a scientist to come up with the above paragraph. Please engage brain before turning on PC.

[Guest]

Shoulders, I think its you who is missing a valuable point.

I have no knowledge of Ray Cross's finances so I can't comment on that, however I wonder how the visiting Gravesend fans, and indeed any other away teams fans, feel about having to pay this £1 'surcharge' to (allegedly) fund your clubs ground improvements.

It certainly doesn't take a scientist to work that out and perhaps you should heed some of your own advice!

[Guest]

Whenever an away fan pays any entrance fee, the home side are going to benifit (whether for ground improvemets,wages etc). Thats the whole point of gate reciepts. <p>If I went to G&N and paid whatever they charge (probably the exceptional price of £7) I wouldn't moan about them using my money to buy an extra box of mars bars to put behind the bar or a new set of laces for the teams boots. <p>In the same way people like you who feel their team already has a good enough ground shouldn't begrudge a smaller team like us using gate reciepts (whether home or away) to fund some improvements. They certainly should moan constantly.<p>You haven't been for a couple of years. Your £7 for then probably went towards paying for our new changing rooms. I bet your players don't moan when they use our new facilities!<p>I've exhausted my reasonable comments on this subject. So before I explode into a rage of obsenities, I will read your reply John but don't expect one back as I'm bored of you.

[scoot]

John,the extra pound on admission prices is going to be used on buliding a single seat away from everyone else at Park Lane,facing away from us as well for you to sit on when you next come to Park Lane!! that way you can sit on your own with all your other 'billy no mates'and moan off about the price of a pint of milk and a loaf being too expensive these days.

Ps no one is forced to pay £8 so if people dont like it then don't come, its there loss not Canveys. save your £8 for a magazine on knitting patterns instead mate.. <img src="graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="[rolleyes]" /> <img src="graemlins/images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="[rolleyes]" />

[Guest]

Scoot, I don't like paying £8 so I don't come, thats the simple answer to that, whether thats the clubs loss or mine is a matter of opinion, your other drivel is not worthy of a reply.

Shoulders, so you are getting bored of me? Well

I can assure you that the feeling is mutual, however if I can put one last question to you, if you went down to your local supermarket for your weekly shop and they stuck a 14% surcharge on your bill and told you it was to fund improvements to the store how would you feel about that?