Self promotion

[grump1]

Having been involved for a few years and watching many games, I am never shocked by those managers or coaches who tend to deem it part of the job description to shout and swear for the duration of the game. If this is saying look at me I am wonderful then how wrong can you be.

Can these people honestly say to themselves they are promoting thier club, themself, the league they are members of, or football in general? If that is the train of thought, then they need help, fortunately not all clubs tolerate or turn a blind eye but plenty do.

Let me say this, if a manager or coach really believes in thier own ability then they would trust players to do the job on the field, however because most are insecure people they have to kick every ball, disagree with decisions by officials, and argue with every league decision.

Time then for the league to take steps to protect the image of the league, these loudmouth yobs in technical areas have to be brought to task, possibly with the introduction of match observers, the role should involve all aspects of a club on matchdays, and be required to send written reports to the league with thier observations, it is then for the league to administer suitable reprimands, if necessary involving the F.A and or County Associations to enforce any sanctions.

Racism has been brought almost under control, now lets turn attention to the yobs in the dugouts, if a spectator was to behave in the same manner as I have witnessed they would be ejected from the ground, being pitchside should not offer protection from also being ejected. You may argue that is the referees' job, what good is it if a referee ejects a person from the dugout only for the person to go behind the barrier/wall to continue the anti social behaviour.

Allowance for the use of video evidence should be allowed for disciplinary hearings, these people need to be removed from the match, after all attempts of rehabilitation to normal acceptable behaviour has failed.

[shrewdest]

Having been involved for a few years and watching many games, I am never shocked by those managers or coaches who tend to deem it part of the job description to shout and swear for the duration of the game. If this is saying look at me I am wonderful then how wrong can you be.

Can these people honestly say to themselves they are promoting thier club, themself, the league they are members of, or football in general? If that is the train of thought, then they need help, fortunately not all clubs tolerate or turn a blind eye but plenty do.

Let me say this, if a manager or coach really believes in thier own ability then they would trust players to do the job on the field, however because most are insecure people they have to kick every ball, disagree with decisions by officials, and argue with every league decision.

Time then for the league to take steps to protect the image of the league, these loudmouth yobs in technical areas have to be brought to task, possibly with the introduction of match observers, the role should involve all aspects of a club on matchdays, and be required to send written reports to the league with thier observations, it is then for the league to administer suitable reprimands, if necessary involving the F.A and or County Associations to enforce any sanctions.

Racism has been brought almost under control, now lets turn attention to the yobs in the dugouts, if a spectator was to behave in the same manner as I have witnessed they would be ejected from the ground, being pitchside should not offer protection from also being ejected. You may argue that is the referees' job, what good is it if a referee ejects a person from the dugout only for the person to go behind the barrier/wall to continue the anti social behaviour.

Allowance for the use of video evidence should be allowed for disciplinary hearings, these people need to be removed from the match, after all attempts of rehabilitation to normal acceptable behaviour has failed.

[shrewdest]

i could not agree more i saw last year a buckhurst hill 1st team manager cause nothing but trouble from the line which spilled over to the players in the end ,its a game!! but hey i think you put it as it is well said

[grump1]

i could not agree more i saw last year a buckhurst hill 1st team manager cause nothing but trouble from the line which spilled over to the players in the end ,its a game!! but hey i think you put it as it is well said

 

 

Thankyou, glad to get it off my chest, I am not liking the lack of action by the authorities, and those who run the clubs.

I will fight for what is right about a game I have loved for over 40 years.

Now is the time that those yobs be thrown out for good.

 

 

Sorry in todays society we cannot discriminate and call them yobs, but I am not into this 'lets understand them' approach, so just point them out and kick them out, and don't forget to slam the door behind them.

 

 

Edited August 23, 2010 by grump1

[GAFFA1]

No place in football for thugs football is a beautiful game lets kick them out

 

 

[FCFAN]

I don't think you can expect managers not to want to kick every ball. I did it a few years ago in the North East Counties League and whilst I didn't shout obsenitites all day long I certainly kicked every ball and gave instruction from the sideline....... (there was no such thing as the "technical area" in non-league back in those days)

[T.A.F.K.A.M 9]

Spectators behave far worse than any manager I've ever seen and its ok because they paid £6, think how much managers at this level lose to be involved, time off work, calling players, getting 2 and from matches.

Its a good thing they wanna be so involved and are passionate what player wants to play 4 a team when the manager doesn't even care what's going on?

[grump1]

Spectators behave far worse than any manager I've ever seen and its ok because they paid £6, think how much managers at this level lose to be involved, time off work, calling players, getting 2 and from matches.

Its a good thing they wanna be so involved and are passionate what player wants to play 4 a team when the manager doesn't even care what's going on?

 

 

no problem with those officials who are abiding by Law that states after giving instruction they must return to the dugout, however you seem to have confused the issue, I do not condone spectator abuse, they can be easily ejected and made known, my point is that behaviour is not to be tolerated from club officials, they too should be ejected,and relevent sanctions taken. Maybe managers put pressure on themselves and this is highlighted throughout football, notice the good managers/coaches tend to be the quietest. As for the other things you mention that may be part of the managers job unless the club secretary should be doing those parts the poor manager has to suffer.

[grump1]

I don't think you can expect managers not to want to kick every ball. I did it a few years ago in the North East Counties League and whilst I didn't shout obsenitites all day long I certainly kicked every ball and gave instruction from the sideline....... (there was no such thing as the "technical area" in non-league back in those days)

 

 

what happened to trusting players to carry out instructions or are we to believe all players are to thick to adapt to how the game is panning out. sorry, but my opinion is the same, keep them on the benches.

[T.A.F.K.A.M 9]

Like who Ferguson or Mourinho???

[FCFAN]

what happened to trusting players to carry out instructions or are we to believe all players are to thick to adapt to how the game is panning out. sorry, but my opinion is the same, keep them on the benches.

 

At this level you get your players for an hour and a half a week at training, normally after they're all already shattered from a days work, and for an hour and a half before the game on Saturday, you simply can't in that time get all your ideas across effectively. So it isn't a case of not trusting players to carry out instructions. As Anton has already pointed out the impact doing a management job at this level has on your lie is immense. I did it for 18 months and it affected my work, my marriage, my kids... the whole thing. You spend all day Friday on the phone.... you are out 2 or 3 nights a week...... I just think if you've ever tried doing the job you'd understand in those circumstances it's almost impossible to sit there passively watching on. Maybe If I'd got people on £50,000 a week and spent 15 hours a week on the training pitch with them then you'd be able to.

 

I re-iterate that I think everyone agrees that managers and coaches shouldn't be stood there for 90 minutes abusing match officials, but in the main in the ESL from what I see - they don't!

 

And as for "quiet managers being the best"...... Don Revie? Brian Clough? Malcolm Allison? Sir Alex Ferguson? Jose Mourinho? That's not always true.

 

From your comments you sound to me like a current or former match official.... and there is plenty about their conduct that should be looked at before you start jumping on the backs of people who give up their time for NOTHING......

[GAFFA1]

FCFAN I salute you I could not of put it any better my self, @ this level us manager don’t get paid and it takes up most of our days if not all, I agree the person that started this thread don’t have a clue about managing a team and the stress that comes with it I love it tho not complaining, but to expect a manager to be quite and not shout instructions or to inform a ref he got that wrong is not possible if you are passionate about football you can not sit there and keep quite not possible has long has you don’t swear or abuse the officials don’t see the arm in shouting, its pathetic if you expect or don’t want anyone to show a bit of passion.

 

 

[FCFAN]

When I did it as well Justin there were very few people around with mobile phones, which meant no texting players the meet details..... it meant leaving countless messages on answering machines on a Friday and then you couldn't go out with the wife on a Friday evening for a meal or anything in case someone rang back on the landline, and when you were on the coach waiting to leave for an away game and 2 players hadn't arrived 10 minutes after you needed to leave you couldn't just ring them and say "where are you?" You had to make the decision there and then - wait and arrive at the away game late or leave without them!! I imagine mobile phones make the job easier than it used to be, but I still have total respect for those of you mad enough to do it!!!

Edited August 24, 2010 by FCFAN

[GAFFA1]

with out a moblie phone it would be very hard, so you done well mate

[Hookey]

with out a moblie phone it would be very hard, so you done well mate

 

LOL, they had semaphore back then...

 

 

 

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Edited August 24, 2010 by Hookey

[GAFFA1]

loool hookey

[T.A.F.K.A.M 9]

Gaffas old enough to remember those times don't worry about that

[FLIP FLOP]

He's hit upon something here Gaffa- could save you a fortune in fines if you get your Football Director to wave a coloured bib at appropriate times, he's got the moves to do it- I saw him in action at Triggs birthday party, don't let him do YMCA though or it could cause havoc.

Red could mean- ' we're losing- lump it forward Hullbridge style and see what happens', Green could mean ' Referee I'm not totally happy with that last decision could you pleases clarify your reasons for given it at the next stoppage in play '-something on those lines. Kirk used to do something similar with a yellow bib at the Manor when we wanted Jenko to bring the teas round and they were always delivered bang on time.

 

 

 

[GAFFA1]

feck of anton im young

 

 

 

flip flop lmfao jenko was top boy always made a great cuppa

[FLIP FLOP]

Best in the business Gaffa- how I miss those wonderful brews- don't get me going all sentimental- Maureen in our portakabin tries but it's just not the same.