Last man?

[tempestward]

So there we are, attacking like mad at Chessington after going two down. We have taken the lead and our leading scorer has been brought down in the box by the last defender. The referee not only fails to send him off, he does not even book him. The foul occurred a yard inside the box, and the nearest other home defender was outside the box. How on earth is a manager meant to keep his cool when the application of simple, straightforward decisions is overridden by some arrogant numpty? Steve Baker was fuming afterwards, and got booked for his troubles. The look on his face when I called him an idiot for not sending the guy off seemed to me like guilt.

[Big J R]

I await a lively response from certain posters after the weekend !

 

[Footy Mad]

Difficult to comment on an incident that you haven't witnessed yourself

[Smudge]

Refs = See no Foul,Hear no Abuse,No Comment=speak no,bit like ARSEne Wenger.

[Mewcenary]

Difficult to comment on an incident that you haven't witnessed yourself

 

 

Same! Sorry guys.

 

 

[Smudge]

I think the Silence is Golden,Steve do not quote on here,only mean 1 outcome,you never know who is reading.

Edited August 22, 2010 by Smudge

[The Fan]

i am not for 1 minute saying steves reaction was right. but refs are like doctors. they wont go against each other. bottom line if last man comits foul, that results in a penalty in line with penalty spot, what is the ref standard decision. steves anger, had been made even greater, when the ref had booked one of his lads, for an incident after C AND H had taken a quick corner, that went wrong. but steve dont let this exscuse your players, they were a shade of your last years side.

[Footy Mad]

i am not for 1 minute saying steves reaction was right. but refs are like doctors. they wont go against each other. bottom line if last man comits foul, that results in a penalty in line with penalty spot, what is the ref standard decision. steves anger, had been made even greater, when the ref had booked one of his lads, for an incident after C AND H had taken a quick corner, that went wrong. but steve dont let this exscuse your players, they were a shade of your last years side.

 

 

It is not a matter of backing a fellow referee and not going against him ... purely and simply I was not there and didn't see the incident so impossible to pass judgement.

 

As described on here the referee would seem to be in error but referee obviously saw it differently.

[Green_Fingers]

Haven’t been slapped down on here for a while so here’s a different viewJ - even though Iwasn’t at the game.

 

There isn’t a law as such that directly refers to “the last man” – the lawcovers this type of incident (Law 12) states a player should be sent off if hedenies an obvious goal scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards theplayers goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or penalty.

 

If it was Messi (or Tom O’Regan J) there could be several players – not just the lastman – in the way but still an obvious goal scoring opportunity?

 

So, if a penalty was given but player not sent off could it be:

 

a) Player wasn’t moving towards the goal – sideways maybe?

 

The Ref didn't remember / understand the Law

 

c) The Ref made a mistake.

 

Chances are it was a mistake – and my question would be at this level(in fact at every level) don’t all participants in the game make mistakes – theforward misses a one-on-one, the goalie drops the ball at the feet of theforward – the manager chooses the wrong tactics – the lino isn’t quick enough (notyou Smudge) and misses a marginal offside etc etc

 

If we all were to accept that genuine mistakes are inevitable in thegame and there really is no point in berating whoever makes that mistake – it doesn’tchange anything. Put it down to a bad day & move on....

 

 

[Smudge]

G/Fingers,the most intelligent post I have read today,my pace is Legendary.

 

 

[chessy boy]

i am not for 1 minute saying steves reaction was right. but refs are like doctors. they wont go against each other. bottom line if last man comits foul, that results in a penalty in line with penalty spot, what is the ref standard decision. steves anger, had been made even greater, when the ref had booked one of his lads, for an incident after C AND H had taken a quick corner, that went wrong. but steve dont let this exscuse your players, they were a shade of your last years side.

 

 

TBH the booking at the corner was a correct decision the egham player was instructed to give us the 10 yards and didnt when the kick was taken he carried on coming towards the ball and made a challenge, this is basically the same as stopping a quick free kick being taken please correct me if im wrong, glad he did as it did indeed look like we were going to make a hash of the quick one anyway. I dont think anyone could have predicted the scoreline from saturdays game which must surely be game of the season it swung from end to end both teams going for the win by all out attack. In answer to the question that will probably be asked i dont know why the ref allowed our player to stay on the field i was behind the goal at the other end of the field and all i could really see was the two come together and both end up on the ground naturally you hold your breath and wait.......

 

I have seen on a post too some doubt about our 2nd penalty which seemed to me to be some kamikaze defending the two players were at the right hand side of the area the play had gone out to the left wing so we are talking about an off the ball incident and the full back held our players shirt and tripped him right in front of the linesman who flagged and awarded the penalty there was not any need to attempt a challenge as both players were 35 yards from the ball and everyone was facing away from them, so it seemed a strange challenge to make.

 

It was a great game to win and no doubt a terrible one to lose,

 

Trying to tred carefully here as im sure everyone at Egham is still dissapointed at the outcome of the game but as the old saying goes "these things even themselves out over a season" and i could point to countless times when i have felt hard done by but you have to take them on the chin fellas, the rub of the green comes back around soon enough maybe ours was on saturday.

[bomaya]

So you got a penalty from it but want the guy sent off? I actually would prefer the rule to change so that if you get a penalty, the last man-sending off rule didn't apply.

[tempestward]

So you got a penalty from it but want the guy sent off? I actually would prefer the rule to change so that if you get a penalty, the last man-sending off rule didn't apply.

 

 

I want the current legislation to be adhered to. Matt Grave was running directly towards the goal, right down the middle, and was sent crashing down by a tackle from behind by the last defender. It was a clear denial of a clear goalscoring opportunity so under the current interpretation yes, I do want him sent off. That he was not even cautioned does not just beggars belief, it takes it down a dark alley and kicks the crap out of it. Grave had taken a similar pass in roughly the same place and poked the ball past the keeper earlier on demonstrates just how clear a goalscoring opportunity it was.

[CTFCBOY]

So you got a penalty from it but want the guy sent off? I actually would prefer the rule to change so that if you get a penalty, the last man-sending off rule didn't apply.

 

 

I want the current legislation to be adhered to. Matt Grave was running directly towards the goal, right down the middle, and was sent crashing down by a tackle from behind by the last defender. It was a clear denial of a clear goalscoring opportunity so under the current interpretation yes, I do want him sent off. That he was not even cautioned does not just beggars belief, it takes it down a dark alley and kicks the crap out of it. Grave had taken a similar pass in roughly the same place and poked the ball past the keeper earlier on demonstrates just how clear a goalscoring opportunity it was.

 

I have to agree that by the sound of it under current legislation the guy should have been sent off, but I too would like to see that rule changed so he did not get sent off. If a clear goalscoring opportunity is denied then replace it with another clear goal scoring opportunity, ie a penalty. Surely that would be the fairest option. I'm sure you will agree that a sending off and a penalty can basically ruin a game as a spectacle.

[johnstreet]

So you got a penalty from it but want the guy sent off? I actually would prefer the rule to change so that if you get a penalty, the last man-sending off rule didn't apply.

 

 

I want the current legislation to be adhered to. Matt Grave was running directly towards the goal, right down the middle, and was sent crashing down by a tackle from behind by the last defender. It was a clear denial of a clear goalscoring opportunity so under the current interpretation yes, I do want him sent off. That he was not even cautioned does not just beggars belief, it takes it down a dark alley and kicks the crap out of it. Grave had taken a similar pass in roughly the same place and poked the ball past the keeper earlier on demonstrates just how clear a goalscoring opportunity it was.

 

I have to agree that by the sound of it under current legislation the guy should have been sent off, but I too would like to see that rule changed so he did not get sent off. If a clear goalscoring opportunity is denied then replace it with another clear goal scoring opportunity, ie a penalty. Surely that would be the fairest option. I'm sure you will agree that a sending off and a penalty can basically ruin a game as a spectacle.

 

 

CTFCBOY.. I think your idea would be fine if all last defenders were sensible, fair people! BUT If the last defender knew he had a 'free go' at stopping the attacker, then I think that the attackers may suffer a fair few injuries as even more 'last ditch tackle attempts' fly in , from defenders who would then scream at the ref 'you can't send me off- you've given a penalty!'. Just my opinion- I think the laws are there to a degree to protect the attackers from 'assault'..

[Terrence Collina]

can't see it happening. We would go back to the old days of fouls deliberately conceeded to stop someone scoring on the off chance that the 'keeper might save the penalty. You could argue deliberate foul or accidental foul, but then it comes down to the interpretation of the referee and we all know how much that varies.

[pearcey]

Isn't this the reason a "sending off" was introduced they called it a professional foul!

[UK Sub]

So you got a penalty from it but want the guy sent off? I actually would prefer the rule to change so that if you get a penalty, the last man-sending off rule didn't apply.

 

 

I want the current legislation to be adhered to. Matt Grave was running directly towards the goal, right down the middle, and was sent crashing down by a tackle from behind by the last defender. It was a clear denial of a clear goalscoring opportunity so under the current interpretation yes, I do want him sent off. That he was not even cautioned does not just beggars belief, it takes it down a dark alley and kicks the crap out of it. Grave had taken a similar pass in roughly the same place and poked the ball past the keeper earlier on demonstrates just how clear a goalscoring opportunity it was.

 

 

I was behind the goal when this incident happened. Clearly a sending off offence. Clearly a mistake by the ref and people made their feelings known to the ref. The ref did produce a Yellow card before giving the penalty.

 

The ref booked Steve Baker after the match I hear? Understandable given how angry he was but given the refs lack of any sign of understanding of basic rules its a bloody joke! If Steve hadn't said something to the ref and his assistants I was going to. In a nutshell Steve Baker's comments were spot on and a few Chessington & Hook fans I spoke to said they agreed too.

 

UP THE EGHAM !

[manager50]

I agree that is can be frustrating and it does appear that the referee on this occasion may have got it wrong, certainly as far as we all understand the rules to be at the present time.

The big problem we have is that this happens all over the football world and officials do make mistakes, and that has always been the case. I defy anyone to say that they have never been the receipent of a dodgy decision going their way in the past that they have gratefully accepted.

However, if we open posts about these every week, the forum will be awash with discussions about decisions that went against us and we end up blaming referee for all our failings.

This season we have had new referees in most games and I must say that they have all be good. The existing ones have as well, apart from the one at Guildford who was an embarrasment to the league. We drew 1-1 there, by the way, so the result has no bearing on that point of view.

Our referee at Hanworth on Saturday was fine, although there were a couple of choices he made that I would disagree with, but his overall performance was very good over the 90 minute period. We lost 2-0.

Our team selection and system did not work on the day and this was a mistake on my part. At half time we probably should have changed this but didn't, although the damage had been done.The two goals conceded were from basic mistakes by our players and the few chances missed were poor decisions by the relevant player. The odd decision going against us had no bearing on the result or performance, it was totally down to all those involved on the football side at Molesey, plus the fact that Hanworth did what was required to win.

I see that the end result at Chalky Lane was 6-5, so some things clearly went extremely well on the day - attacking play - but equally so the defensive issues would appear to require attention.

What I do hear from other sources - not my friend Heinz this time - is that it was a cracking end to end tussle and really went to the wire, so that is something that should be applauded and emphasised.

As the people at Egham will be aware, I know them all very well and they are very knowledgeable people, so I have no reason to think they have not got their facts right and they may well have a point.

I just think that we should look at ourselves as well and accept we all make mistakes, but let's be honest and say we are all as fallible as each other.

I would much rather talk/hear about great games and great goals - which this fixture seemed to fit into the category of - than errors by officials.

Having said all this, I just hope that we don't lose to an offside goal in the last minute tomorrow night now!

Now, from someone who was at the game - talk us through the best goal of the 11!

[The Fan]

best goal of the game reece jackson volley. very similar to gareth bales at the weekend.