Tooting & M updates

[Cookie]

Started well (too well)

I always had doubts over pinoock and huggins-how pinnock gets in ahead of blackman is beyond me. (memories of yesteryear i fear)

Pinnock hasn't been as dangerous as when he was here previously but there are obvious reasons for that I think. However for me he shades it between the two.

Blackman was real good when he first came here but has been awful in the last few months. If only he would concentrate on that ball more rather the man he would improve his game 10 fold & revert back to something like the player he surely once was.He never started his time with us doing that.

Okay,you could say he hasn't got too many games in lately but on his form of late it's not surprising. I.m.o. it wouldn't take a lot of improvement from any player to outshine Lloyd these days I'm sad to say.

Edited April 17, 2010 by Cookie

[Blues with Soul.]

' No firepower upfront '.

' Loads of possession but no killer touch '.

'Complete lack of firepower '.

Comments sum it up I think.

 

Also disappointed the wall was inadequate for the free kick and no one on the line covering the far post.

[Dutch_Mike]

Had enough chances to win the game easily: Cooper against the bar in the first half, Young's header, Leroy's chance right at the start of the game, Pinns 1-on-1 with the keeper, Pinns at the near post from a great Blackman cross, Leroy quick turn and shot late on. Poor defensively at times, especially for the first goal which was, frankly, schoolboy stuff.

 

As positive as I've tried to be all week, it's all over now. Might as well start with the home truths now: most of this team is simply not good enough. I'd probably only keep 5 or 6 of the current squad. Let's hope IOC has a real clearout in the summer and tries to re-build a solid squad who can finish top 10 / 12 in the Ryman South. Top of the list must be 2 or 3 strikers; ours aren't good enough.

[Coffin Ender]

The last thing we need is more upheaval. This team went nine games unbeaten recently so we should keep as many of the current players as possible.

[Dutch_Mike]

And yet, if other posts on this thread are accurate, we've only achived 4 wins out of 14. Hardly dazzling form in truth is it?

[Coffin Ender]

The record since IoC took over has overall been pretty good considering we had half a new team and no time for them to gel. I'm not sure what people were expecting.

[Chris1]

The record since IoC took over has overall been pretty good considering we had half a new team and no time for them to gel. I'm not sure what people were expecting.

It seems some were expecting to fly up the league and get in the playoffs. Ok, money was thrown at it, but too late. This won't make me popular, but in my opinion if Butler had had the same resources we would have escaped.

[teamster]

If you think it will be easy to get out of Ryman South next season think again. Dover 3 seasons. Thought they would walk it. Ramsgate thought they would at least make the playoffs. I cannot see the players signed at the end of season wanting to stay and.any way we probably wont be able to afford them. if we dont make a good start and end up a mid table side the gates will really suffer. I hope Ian oconnel is the messia you all think he is. I predict if things go wrong he will be gone.

[The Realistic Blue]

I agree Chris1,its gonna be ironic if Maidstone stay up as we took there so called good players NOT and Carshalton stay up as i think Mark Butler didnt get a fair crack of the whip or any money. To be honest the fact is were not good enough even 4 wins out of 14 is poor but we deserve to go down the table doest lie. I just think its a all time low for Margate FC its a joke, and waiting and hoping for a repreieve again from relegation is that the stage Margate FC fans have to resort to its a disgrace. To put it intp perspective next year were be in a league lower than the Thanet Utd days the whole club needs changing we are a laughing stock of Kent football at the moment us supporters deserve better than this @@@@

[teamster]

Yes realistic blue I agree Mark Butler was not given much of a chance. NO TIME NO MONEY Yet when the next one comes along he suddenly is given money and wastes it on players on the downwood slope. Mark butler was a proven manager at this level He must be laughing his socks off now. Ian Oconnel is not proven at this level and the defeats at home to Avely and Waltam Abbey goes some way to prove it. If and a big if CK does come back at least we wil have an experienced manager to take over if it all goes bellyup

[Coffin Ender]

On the Pinno/Blackman debate, just thought I'd point out...

Pinno 3 goals in 1,176 minutes. Blackman 13 goals in 2,874.

[I am Spartacus]

Blackman was real good when he first came here but has been awful in the last few months. If only he would concentrate on that ball more rather the man he would improve his game 10 fold & revert back to something like the player he surely once was.He never started his time with us doing that.

Okay,you could say he hasn't got too many games in lately but on his form of late it's not surprising. I.m.o. it wouldn't take a lot of improvement from any player to outshine Lloyd these days I'm sad to say.

 

Well Cookie all I would say to you (as I was there yesterday) when Lloyd came on he scored a goal, created a clear cut chance that should have been put away and made the #4 from Tooting look pretty tame.

 

Fianally as one of his stearnest critics (not me) said to me after the game if Lloyd had come earlier we could have won the game.

[Cookie]

Blackman was real good when he first came here but has been awful in the last few months. If only he would concentrate on that ball more rather the man he would improve his game 10 fold & revert back to something like the player he surely once was.He never started his time with us doing that.

Okay,you could say he hasn't got too many games in lately but on his form of late it's not surprising. I.m.o. it wouldn't take a lot of improvement from any player to outshine Lloyd these days I'm sad to say.

 

Well Cookie all I would say to you (as I was there yesterday) when Lloyd came on he scored a goal, created a clear cut chance that should have been put away and made the #4 from Tooting look pretty tame.

 

Fianally as one of his stearnest critics (not me) said to me after the game if Lloyd had come earlier we could have won the game.

Thank you Joseba. I can't comment on yesterday not having been there to witness it for myself but I will take your word & others on it that he did better.

I am going on the games off late leading up to yesterday though. Good to see him back in a little bit of form then, albeit a little too late in the day.

Edited April 18, 2010 by Cookie

[SteveB]

Pinnock hasn't been as dangerous as when he was here previously but there are obvious reasons for that I think.

 

I think that if there was a big target man for Pinnock to feed off then it would be a different story.

[The Realistic Blue]

Excuses excuses 4 managers in a season over 50 players used 6 goalkeepers no new ground same old @@@@ face facts were no good enough most of the players we have arnt up 2 it. Coffin ender good stat wheres the goals from our so called strikers. Good know why people slagged off Butler he seemed a really nice and clever guy too clever for our board well that aint hard is it!! Does make me laugh how people make excuses and go on and on if that if this.

[dannyriding]

Excuses excuses 4 managers in a season over 50 players used 6 goalkeepers no new ground same old @@@@ face facts were no good enough most of the players we have arnt up 2 it. Coffin ender good stat wheres the goals from our so called strikers. Good know why people slagged off Butler he seemed a really nice and clever guy too clever for our board well that aint hard is it!! Does make me laugh how people make excuses and go on and on if that if this.

 

You make NO sense whatsoever. I think your expectations are unrealistic and probably over ambitious.

[The Realistic Blue]

Well maybe you wana play Sporting Bengals and Holmesdale then becauase the way this club is going we could be playing Plucks Gutter soon, what a joke!!!

[Porka]

Well maybe you wana play Sporting Bengals and Holmesdale then becauase the way this club is going we could be playing Plucks Gutter soon, what a joke!!!

 

Said all this before mate. There's only so much negativity I want to hear. I know things aren't great but it's still the club we love. Just have to look around at home games to see that there's more life on the moon. People are well aware of the situation. We need a lift next season, not more negativity.

 

Pinnock would be far more effective if he didn't have to do all Leroy's running. Get a decent striker in for Pinns to feed off and work with and we'll see things improve in the final third. I'm sure Iain knows all this.

[Wellsie]

And no one is really talking about the biggest victory this season - regardless of relegation / staying up - and that's getting the club on a sustainable financial footing. Frankly, much more important than any on the field result this season in my view.

 

Interesting point about Pinno. When he got all his goals for us last time, Rob Haworth, Charlie Side, Ryan Martin and Ryan Peters were in the side. Plenty of attacking creativity there. The season before that, he was mainly creator for Danny Hockton.

[Coffin Ender]

The thing is Pinno is a very similar kind of player to Blackman. Signing him would only have made sense if we had released Blackman.

 

However, off the field the club is in a better position than it has been for a long, long time. We might be going down but Dover, Tonbridge, Dartford, Maidstone and Folkestone have all done their time in that league and we'll be back. I certainly think we've got a brighter future than Maidstone who, with no prospect of going back to their home town, will go bust sooner rather than later.