Match off today (17 April)

[NAIL IT]

IF we win the title, either by winning the remaining games or get given theese points we would have earned it as the title is won over 34 games,you are only mentioning about merits because it is us, I beleive you supported BGU when they got the s/f awarded to them .

 

If you,BGU,Burnham or Enfield win it, then you would have earned it over a season.

 

 

 

 

 

If you check both the Southend Manor forum and the Witham forum i supported Southend Manor, even on this forum i put it should be replayed. Please feel free to check it and apologize.

THE SOUTHEND MANOR SITUATION WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AS THEY HAD PLAYERS OUT SICK AND THE CUP RULES HAD AN EFFECT ON A LOT OF THE PLAYERS THEY HAD SIGNED ON (CERTAIN AMMOUNT OF APPEARANCES ETC!)THEY HAD PAPERWORK TO CONFIRM THAT.BASILDON CLAIM THEY COULD NOT RAISE 7 PLAYERS (OUT OF 50!)THE LEAGUE HAVE TO GIVE STANSTED THE POINTS IF NOT THIS SITUATION WILL DEFINATELY OCCUR AGAIN PLUS IT OPENS THE DOOR FOR TEAMS TO "PLAY THE SYSTEM"AND CLAIM THEY ARE SHORT OF PLAYERS WHEN IN REALITY THEY HAVE THEIR STAR PLAYERS BANNED,INJURED OR ON HOLS!!!!! Edited April 18, 2010 by NAIL IT

[Grounhopper Mark.]

IF we win the title, either by winning the remaining games or get given theese points we would have earned it as the title is won over 34 games,you are only mentioning about merits because it is us, I beleive you supported BGU when they got the s/f awarded to them .

 

If you,BGU,Burnham or Enfield win it, then you would have earned it over a season.

 

 

 

 

 

If you check both the Southend Manor forum and the Witham forum i supported Southend Manor, even on this forum i put it should be replayed. Please feel free to check it and apologize.

THE SOUTHEND MANOR SITUATION WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AS THEY HAD PLAYERS OUT SICK AND THE CUP RULES HAD AN EFFECT ON A LOT OF THE PLAYERS THEY HAD SIGNED ON (CERTAIN AMMOUNT OF APPEARANCES ETC!)THEY HAD PAPERWORK TO CONFIRM THAT.BASILDON CLAIM THEY COULD NOT RAISE 7 PLAYERS (OUT OF 50!)THE LEAGUE HAVE TO GIVE STANSTED THE POINTS IF NOT THIS SITUATION WILL DEFINATELY OCCUR AGAIN PLUS IT OPENS THE DOOR FOR TEAMS TO "PLAY THE SYSTEM"AND CLAIM THEY ARE SHORT OF PLAYERS WHEN IN REALITY THEY HAVE THEIR STAR PLAYERS BANNED,INJURED OR ON HOLS!!!!!

 

Excuse me but where does the figure of 50 come from. ?

 

On the club website, all clubs are guilty due to time of not updating players who have long gone, Maybe to Olympian clubs.

 

Secondly we had many players from when i was involved, signed on, who had not been involved for months. It is what happens in Non League football, players fall out of favour with the manager but the registration is probably not cancelled. Just left open, but these players are not available to the Manager.

 

Interested where the 50 comes from? More rumour i suspect started by the usual .

 

Re: Crayon... yes it does have to do with Witham, Enfield, Bethnal and Burnham all who could, unlikeley though win the title.

 

Finally, wasting my time i know...

Re: Compaq 75000 .. you are very pro Stansted even when i have received abuse from "dednats", you have got on my back when i given it back and would clearly argue black was white with me, to win the point. So no need to respond.

Edited April 18, 2010 by WA WTFC

[Groyney]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I really don't think there should be any outside influence from other clubs - which talk of any appeal could be construed as - into a league decision regarding a Basildon United indiscretion.

[Grounhopper Mark.]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I really don't think there should be any outside influence from other clubs - which talk of any appeal could be construed as - into a league decision regarding a Basildon United indiscretion.

 

yeah agree to disagree.

 

The League Chairman reads this and it is only fair as Coachie and Stansted have stated their case, i highlight the other side.

 

Coachies is an old master at this. :cheesy (2):

 

Why do you think he publicised the dugouts at Tiptree and goal keeper kits and everything else. To sway decisions.

[NAIL IT]

IF we win the title, either by winning the remaining games or get given theese points we would have earned it as the title is won over 34 games,you are only mentioning about merits because it is us, I beleive you supported BGU when they got the s/f awarded to them .

 

If you,BGU,Burnham or Enfield win it, then you would have earned it over a season.

 

 

 

 

 

If you check both the Southend Manor forum and the Witham forum i supported Southend Manor, even on this forum i put it should be replayed. Please feel free to check it and apologize.

THE SOUTHEND MANOR SITUATION WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AS THEY HAD PLAYERS OUT SICK AND THE CUP RULES HAD AN EFFECT ON A LOT OF THE PLAYERS THEY HAD SIGNED ON (CERTAIN AMMOUNT OF APPEARANCES ETC!)THEY HAD PAPERWORK TO CONFIRM THAT.BASILDON CLAIM THEY COULD NOT RAISE 7 PLAYERS (OUT OF 50!)THE LEAGUE HAVE TO GIVE STANSTED THE POINTS IF NOT THIS SITUATION WILL DEFINATELY OCCUR AGAIN PLUS IT OPENS THE DOOR FOR TEAMS TO "PLAY THE SYSTEM"AND CLAIM THEY ARE SHORT OF PLAYERS WHEN IN REALITY THEY HAVE THEIR STAR PLAYERS BANNED,INJURED OR ON HOLS!!!!!

 

Excuse me but where does the figure of 50 come from. ?

 

On the club website, all clubs are guilty due to time of not updating players who have long gone, Maybe to Olympian clubs.

 

Secondly we had many players from when i was involved, signed on, who had not been involved for months. It is what happens in Non League football, players fall out of favour with the manager but the registration is probably not cancelled. Just left open, but these players are not available to the Manager.

 

Interested where the 50 comes from? More rumour i suspect started by the usual .

 

Re: Crayon... yes it does have to do with Witham, Enfield, Bethnal and Burnham all who could, unlikeley though win the title.

 

Finally, wasting my time i know...

Re: Compaq 75000 .. you are very pro Stansted even when i have received abuse from "dednats", you have got on my back when i given it back and would clearly argue black was white with me, to win the point. So no need to respond.

LETS ASSUME YOUR RIGHT ABOUT BASILDON HAVING 50 PLAYERS BEING A RUMOUR (ALTHOUGH I CAN ASSURE YOU ITS A FACT!!)LETS HALF IT TO 25 PLAYERS(IS THAT OK WITH YOU WATFC?)THAT STILL LEAVES BASILDON HAVING TO PROVE 20 OF THEM WERE UNAVAILABLE(THEY CLAIM THEY HAD 5 PLAYERS)AT THE END OF THE DAY ITS NOT STANSTEDS FAULT IN ANY WAY AND IM SURE THE LEAGUE COMMITEE WILL COME UP WITH THE RIGHT ANSWER TO THE PROBLEM THAT BASILDON FC HAVE CAUSED.MY OPINION IS STANSTED SHOULD BE AWARDED THE 3 POINTS FOR REASONS I HAVE STATED ON MY PREVIOUS POST.MY OPINION IS DIFFERENT TO YOURS BUT I AM ALLOWED AN OPINION WATFC AM I NOT?

[Grounhopper Mark.]

IF we win the title, either by winning the remaining games or get given theese points we would have earned it as the title is won over 34 games,you are only mentioning about merits because it is us, I beleive you supported BGU when they got the s/f awarded to them .

 

If you,BGU,Burnham or Enfield win it, then you would have earned it over a season.

 

 

 

 

 

If you check both the Southend Manor forum and the Witham forum i supported Southend Manor, even on this forum i put it should be replayed. Please feel free to check it and apologize.

THE SOUTHEND MANOR SITUATION WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AS THEY HAD PLAYERS OUT SICK AND THE CUP RULES HAD AN EFFECT ON A LOT OF THE PLAYERS THEY HAD SIGNED ON (CERTAIN AMMOUNT OF APPEARANCES ETC!)THEY HAD PAPERWORK TO CONFIRM THAT.BASILDON CLAIM THEY COULD NOT RAISE 7 PLAYERS (OUT OF 50!)THE LEAGUE HAVE TO GIVE STANSTED THE POINTS IF NOT THIS SITUATION WILL DEFINATELY OCCUR AGAIN PLUS IT OPENS THE DOOR FOR TEAMS TO "PLAY THE SYSTEM"AND CLAIM THEY ARE SHORT OF PLAYERS WHEN IN REALITY THEY HAVE THEIR STAR PLAYERS BANNED,INJURED OR ON HOLS!!!!!

 

Excuse me but where does the figure of 50 come from. ?

 

On the club website, all clubs are guilty due to time of not updating players who have long gone, Maybe to Olympian clubs.

 

Secondly we had many players from when i was involved, signed on, who had not been involved for months. It is what happens in Non League football, players fall out of favour with the manager but the registration is probably not cancelled. Just left open, but these players are not available to the Manager.

 

Interested where the 50 comes from? More rumour i suspect started by the usual .

 

Re: Crayon... yes it does have to do with Witham, Enfield, Bethnal and Burnham all who could, unlikeley though win the title.

 

Finally, wasting my time i know...

Re: Compaq 75000 .. you are very pro Stansted even when i have received abuse from "dednats", you have got on my back when i given it back and would clearly argue black was white with me, to win the point. So no need to respond.

LETS ASSUME YOUR RIGHT ABOUT BASILDON HAVING 50 PLAYERS BEING A RUMOUR (ALTHOUGH I CAN ASSURE YOU ITS A FACT!!)LETS HALF IT TO 25 PLAYERS(IS THAT OK WITH YOU WATFC?)THAT STILL LEAVES BASILDON HAVING TO PROVE 20 OF THEM WERE UNAVAILABLE(THEY CLAIM THEY HAD 5 PLAYERS)AT THE END OF THE DAY ITS NOT STANSTEDS FAULT IN ANY WAY AND IM SURE THE LEAGUE COMMITEE WILL COME UP WITH THE RIGHT ANSWER TO THE PROBLEM THAT BASILDON FC HAVE CAUSED.MY OPINION IS STANSTED SHOULD BE AWARDED THE 3 POINTS FOR REASONS I HAVE STATED ON MY PREVIOUS POST.MY OPINION IS DIFFERENT TO YOURS BUT I AM ALLOWED AN OPINION WATFC AM I NOT?

 

Of course you (Stansted) are allowed opinion as am i.

[Hookey]

Just another example of what can happen when a club runs without a Reserve or U18s side.

 

Although Basildon Utd may have "signed" some 40/50 players throughout the season, I can assure you that they only have a fraction of that amount still available to them. Bearing in mind they have no reserve side, it's very difficult to keep a squad of say 16 to 20 players happy, I'm sure the Hullbridge and Southend Manor guys will confirm this.

 

This may sound like I have some sympathy for Basildon Utd, I don't, but I can see how this situation might occur on the rare occasion. I think Richard has done a superb job there in very difficult circumstances.

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited April 18, 2010 by Hookey

[Talk_Is_Cheap]

I agree that Stansted should be given the 3 points.

 

Even when we couldnt field a side against BGU (With a legitamate reason) I personally couldnt grumble too hard about the decision. Yes you want to play, yes its frustrating because you know the reason was legit, but either way....if you cant get a side out at this level, there is a strong case that the points should be awarded to the other side, in my opinion.

 

Hookey has a great point, without a reserves it is hard to maintain a decent size squad. We consistantly have bettween 14/15 avaliable at Manor but that is only maintained by squad rotation and bringing through a few youngsters when we can.

 

With no money to pay and no reserves you cant keep a squad of 20 ESL standard players happy. Even at this level playing football is a hobby and sitting on the bench and not playing is not a hobby that people like to do on a regular basis.

[FCFAN]

Whilst I take the point that they may not have many of the "50" still involved regularly (and therefore "available") to them, unless they have tried to contact every single one of those players to ask them to come back for a game and help out - then they have no argument.

 

I sympathise with them as anyone who has tried running a side at this level will know, when you end up trying to play 8 games in 12 days etc... you invairably get injuries and by the last couple you are down to the bare bones.

 

However, looking at this legally, Stansted should be awarded the points. Basildon have failed to fulfill a fixture and the FA Rules are quite clear that in those circumstances the points shall be awarded to the other team. There is provision for a team (Basildon in this case) to apply 48 hours before the game to their league to have the fixture postponed - however, it is to the league's discretion as to whether to agree to that, and in this case it looks as though it happened much later.

 

A Wtiham appeal would be doomed to failure in my view, Stansted HAVE to be awarded the game and Basildon could even be punished further by a further points deduction (anyone remember Middlesbrough?) and a very heavy fine.

[Hookey]

Yep! Stansted should definitely be awarded the points on this occasion, sorry if I didn't make my position on this clear.

 

BTW, Basildon Utd will probably struggle to fulfill their remaining 4 fixtures (Starting at home to Takeley tomorrow evening), never mind trying to squeeze in a 5th rearranged game with Stansted.

 

A shame really, as Basildon Utd are an old fashioned non-league football club.

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited April 19, 2010 by Hookey

[detsnats]

According to the essex fa website Basildon do not have ANY players suspended!! the FA ruling on this situation is 3 points awarded to the opposing team !!

[GAFFA1]

stansted should get the points its very simple and its not one game where stansted won the league its over the whole season and the league table does not lie they have been the best up until today like i said before good manager and his assistant manager, they have worked hard over the last few years but im sure stansted would of rather played the game then getting it awarded same has we would of rather of played southend manor, i just think at this level of football you should be able to field 11 players, i have about 15 players unavailable due to injury’s or work, but you have to be aware that these things can happen.

 

I have learnt so much from this season which I no will make me and the team better for next year and I just pray we never have a winter like we have had because 3 or 4 games a week is no good to the human body

[never been]

stansted should get the points its very simple and its not one game where stansted won the league its over the whole season and the league table does not lie they have been the best up until today like i said before good manager and his assistant manager, they have worked hard over the last few years but im sure stansted would of rather played the game then getting it awarded same has we would of rather of played southend manor, i just think at this level of football you should be able to field 11 players, i have about 15 players unavailable due to injury’s or work, but you have to be aware that these things can happen.

 

I have learnt so much from this season which I no will make me and the team better for next year and I just pray we never have a winter like we have had because 3 or 4 games a week is no good to the human body

 

Totally agree with you Gaffa, could you imagine what Ferguson,Wenger and Benitez would say if their teams had to do it and their players are full time with no other jobs to worry about.

 

ps if you can't get 11 players for tomorrow let us know we can have a 5-a-side lol

[FLIP FLOP]

stansted should get the points its very simple and its not one game where stansted won the league its over the whole season and the league table does not lie they have been the best up until today like i said before good manager and his assistant manager, they have worked hard over the last few years but im sure stansted would of rather played the game then getting it awarded same has we would of rather of played southend manor, i just think at this level of football you should be able to field 11 players, i have about 15 players unavailable due to injury’s or work, but you have to be aware that these things can happen.

 

I have learnt so much from this season which I no will make me and the team better for next year and I just pray we never have a winter like we have had because 3 or 4 games a week is no good to the human body

 

Totally agree with you Gaffa, could you imagine what Ferguson,Wenger and Benitez would say if their teams had to do it and their players are full time with no other jobs to worry about.

 

ps if you can't get 11 players for tomorrow let us know we can have a 5-a-side lol

If Stansted do play Bethnal Green in a 5 a side Barking Football Club will appeal to the Essex FA as could affect their push for eigth place- I do not have permission to put this from our Chairman.

[FCFAN]

Hahaha........ good one Flip Flop.

[Grounhopper Mark.]

Hahaha........ good one Flip Flop.

 

 

He who laughs last laughs longest.

[ladderman]

Hahaha........ good one Flip Flop.

 

 

He who laughs last laughs longest.

 

Talking about laughing, how much have your club pissed away to finish below Stansted this season ?

[detsnats]

Their wage bill is 800 per week (they are giving subs 50!!) no doubt the "LITTLE" man who follows this seasons "BIG" spenders will deny that!! but he has already been proved a liar numerous times this season so as usual NOBODY will believe the rubbish he puts on here.Got to go now my burger (microwaved of course) is ready hmmmmmm!!!

[Grounhopper Mark.]

Their wage bill is 800 per week (they are giving subs 50!!) no doubt the "LITTLE" man who follows this seasons "BIG" spenders will deny that!! but he has already been proved a liar numerous times this season so as usual NOBODY will believe the rubbish he puts on here.Got to go now my burger (microwaved of course) is ready hmmmmmm!!!

 

You fat guys got me all wrong...

 

Credit where credit is due, i heard your going for the double in a big way next season.... I hope for your sake you keep your management team who know what is required.. it is possible but very difficult..

 

Double burger and chips in the microwave can lead to mad cows disease if not cooked right, but i have no hesitation in your ability to suceed. Good luck.

[Silencer]

From Football Mitoo:

 

Thursday, 29 April 2010

Basildon United v Stansted

 

 

What a complete and utter farce the ESL is becoming year after year. So different from the league I first played in ten years ago.

 

Yes, the Southend Manor situation was bad enough, but had we been allowed to field under 18 players (Who were incidentially) signed on months before or players for the match then we would have managed to get out a side. It was not just a combination of a small squad, unavailibility, injuries, bans and sickness that affected Manor but the stupid 2 game rule.

 

Fair enough....rules are rules and BGU progressed to the final and acheived a great day for their club by winning the Brasted Cup.

 

Now for Basildon, there was no 2 game ruling. They could have signed new players, called in others who had played etc and even then if they couldnt field a side, award the points to Stansted.

 

How on earth can the game be re-arranged after Manor were booted out of the Brasted. Complete and utter joke. Where is the consistency????

 

I am not out to stitch up Basildon, but imagine how you would feel coming from the Manor camp!!!!

Edited April 21, 2010 by Silencer