Inappropriate Language

[Iris's Tea Hut]

You're right. I'm sorry.

[HartsdownGooner`]

And the use of the c word in a song is a different story as well Franny, and your happy to subject your kids to that at a football match? dont think so!

[officialspokesman]

And the use of the c word in a song is a different story as well Franny, and your happy to subject your kids to that at a football match? dont think so!

 

 

Sorry to butt in on what seems to be a private argument but this is a subject I feel passionate about.

What with premier league prices being sky high and out of reach for so many families these days, non league clubs should be filling their boots,and certainly not struggling financially, but some of the language we all hear at so many grounds make it a family experience that all to many parents and grandparents don't want to subject their kids to.

I'm certainly no prude and I can and do F and blind with the best, but there's a time and a place for everything and swearing in front of woman and children at a football match is, in my view neither the time or the place.

I thought us adults were supposed to set a good example to children but all to often I don't think we are making a very good job of it.

Edited February 18, 2010 by officialspokesman

[Boney Crisp]

If kids start using words they hear at football matches (depending on the age, it's very natural for kids to copy their elders) then surely it's the parents duty to control it and make sure it doesn't happen again, afterall they have full responsibility over their child and not the club or it's supporters. However I agree that round very young children, the swearing should be monitered. I went to football matches quite often when i was younger and didn't go round using the same words as what i heard at football matches. Also you saying that non-league clubs are losing money when they shouldn't be is only half correct in opinion, ALL clubs up down the country are struggling financially because of the recession, people are holding back on the treats in life so they can afford to live and support. Sky Sports News seems to be full of clubs in financial crisis at the moment, look at Portsmouth they are desperate for money.

 

Also a lot of the nation is under the impression that non-league football is crap and tbh they're right, they're used to watching the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, Man utd and Spurs every week on the Tele, which brings up another point. The amount of times i've watched football and heard thousands of supporters singing songs with the F word and C word in during a lunch time game is extraordinary. Are you going to stop you child from watching football on the tele because of that? The fact is you will never ban swearing from the terraces and if that somehow does happen, then expect a rise in crowd violence because the supporters can't vent their anger in a way that best suits them without physically hurting someone.

Edited February 19, 2010 by Alexmfc

[officialspokesman]

If kids start using words they hear at football matches (depending on the age, it's very natural for kids to copy their elders) then surely it's the parents duty to control it and make sure it doesn't happen again, afterall they have full responsibility over their child and not the club or it's supporters. However I agree that round very young children, the swearing should be monitered. I went to football matches quite often when i was younger and didn't go round using the same words as what i heard at football matches. Also you saying that non-league clubs are losing money when they shouldn't be is only half correct in opinion, ALL clubs up down the country are struggling financially because of the recession, people are holding back on the treats in life so they can afford to live and support. Sky Sports News seems to be full of clubs in financial crisis at the moment, look at Portsmouth they are desperate for money.

 

Also a lot of the nation is under the impression that non-league football is crap and tbh they're right, they're used to watching the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, Man utd and Spurs every week on the Tele, which brings up another point. The amount of times i've watched football and heard thousands of supporters singing songs with the F word and C word in during a lunch time game is extraordinary. Are you going to stop you child from watching football on the tele because of that? The fact is you will never ban swearing from the terraces and if that somehow does happen, then expect a rise in crowd violence because the supporters can't vent their anger in a way that best suits them without physically hurting someone.

 

 

1 mum, 1 dad, 2 kids equals £30 admission charge, multiply that by 30 home games equals £900. If you take into account lost sales in programmes, a coke and a burger for the kids, a pint and a drink for mum and the figures start getting frightening, and that from just 1 family. Then take into account that those kid will never bring their mates to a match and never have a commitment to the club or probably bring their own kids to a match when they get older and its almost impossible to work out how much revenue the club has lost.

The suggestion that by banning swearing you get an increase in violence is almost laughable, anyone that feels the need to punch someones lights out because they cant F and blind to there hearts content when the referee has made a bad decision or their striker has missed an open goal shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football stadium and they would be better served being locked up in a padded cell.

Edited February 19, 2010 by officialspokesman

[Coffin Ender]

I assume these same families don't let their kids go to school, use public transport or watch television. In fact they keep them locked in their rooms for fear they might hear a naughty word and, as a result, instantly turn into drug-taking degenerates!

[officialspokesman]

I assume these same families don't let their kids go to school, use public transport or watch television. In fact they keep them locked in their rooms for fear they might hear a naughty word and, as a result, instantly turn into drug-taking degenerates!

 

 

I'm sorry Coffin Ender but that's a ridiculous argument and you know it.

I obviously don't know you or how old you are, but I would hazard a guess that you, like most of the men I know and certainly my own grown up kids don't, or never swear in front of your own mother constantly in everyday conversation or when you get angry over some triviality.

If I'm correct in that assumption why do you think it OK to use inappropriate language in front of someone else's mother?

[mickadeem]

i think if you dont like the swearing on the terraces then you should sit in the stands where the fans are as passionate about the game but dont seem to swear even though we think the ref is a dickhead and as for the stewards if mfc want to save some money why have we got even more stewards to look after some of the best behaved supporters in football its been a long time since ive seen any trouble at a home game unlike at ramsgate on a boxing day when we had to run the gauntlet to get out after the game and nothing was done to the idiots causing the trouble.some of the songs do contain bad language but are not always used without other funny songs and full respect to the choir who i feel have been like the extra man for us for many seasons come on you blues

[Coffin Ender]

I assume these same families don't let their kids go to school, use public transport or watch television. In fact they keep them locked in their rooms for fear they might hear a naughty word and, as a result, instantly turn into drug-taking degenerates!

 

 

I'm sorry Coffin Ender but that's a ridiculous argument and you know it.

I obviously don't know you or how old you are, but I would hazard a guess that you, like most of the men I know and certainly my own grown up kids don't, or never swear in front of your own mother constantly in everyday conversation or when you get angry over some triviality.

If I'm correct in that assumption why do you think it OK to use inappropriate language in front of someone else's mother?

 

Football, for many fans, is an escape from everyday life. People go to football to let off steam - have a drink, have a laugh and, yes, have a good swear. It is also highly tribal, male dominated and aggressive. It has nothing to do with 'normal' life. Football grounds should be places where the emotions are heightened, places to be irrational ...otherwise what is the point of going?

[bodyform]

here here!! before i supported margate i was a very angry and stressed out dude and i found going to games released so much tension and anger it has calmed me over the years and if i ever had a really stressful week i would look forward to getting to football to release it all

[officialspokesman]

here here!! before i supported margate i was a very angry and stressed out dude and i found going to games released so much tension and anger it has calmed me over the years and if i ever had a really stressful week i would look forward to getting to football to release it all

 

 

What do you do in the summer??????

[I am Spartacus]

here here!! before i supported margate i was a very angry and stressed out dude and i found going to games released so much tension and anger it has calmed me over the years and if i ever had a really stressful week i would look forward to getting to football to release it all

 

 

What do you do in the summer??????

 

 

 

Go to but not to watch Arena Essex.

[Brickie]

Footballs no place for the little woman, she should be at home preparing the dinner!!!

[Canvey Fan 1926]

Can't believe your 'Safety Officer' refused some of our supporters entry to your clubhouse today after the match because we swore during the game...

He said "The management reserve the right to refuse admission after your behaviour". What a complete joke it makes your club look!!

[Cookie]

No need for the "C " word though was there? Women were around listening to that. Maybe you shouldn't have rubbed up the safety officer the wrong way by not abiding to his requests to tone it down. ( I was witnessing things at that end). Probably a bit unfair after the game perhaps.

Mind you if he had heard what I was calling out all game I reckon I would have got a ban from the ground let alone the bar.

Edited February 20, 2010 by Cookie

[Canvey Fan 1926]

I think it's highly sexist that you use women to justify your argument...

I don't like the word either, but you can't pick and choose what words get said. You either ban all swearing, or none at all.

 

It seems by this thread though, that we're not the only club you have had 'trouble' with recently.

 

Anyway, unlucky today. I don't think either team really looked good. A draw would have probably been a fairer result - even if we did get 5/6 clear penalty shouts turned down!!

[Cookie]

I think it's highly sexist that you use women to justify your argument...

I don't like the word either, but you can't pick and choose what words get said. You either ban all swearing, or none at all.

 

It seems by this thread though, that we're not the only club you have had 'trouble' with recently.

 

Anyway, unlucky today. I don't think either team really looked good. A draw would have probably been a fairer result - even if we did get 5/6 clear penalty shouts turned down!!

I for one,as a male do not like to hear that work shouted out in public either(Hope that evens things up for you)..A simple "sorry we got carried away & will tone it down" to the safety officer would have sufficed I'm sure. It was heard a long way from where you were standing might I add.

Anyways as you say not the greatest of games but we do seem to have a habit lately,well for most of the season actually to make poor teams look better than they are though to be fair to you you're team wasn't as bad as some we have met & then given games away too. There really isn't anything to choose between the teams in this division. Majority look poor.Alas we are making ourselves look even poorer than most at the present time.

Certainly the better team won on the day no doubt about that.

Edited February 20, 2010 by Cookie

[Canvey Fan 1926]

In reply to the new parts of your post after the edit:

 

I think some of our fans were really annoyed that he came up to us in the middle of the game telling us to stop swearing, even though we could hear the same coming from your end!! We did tone it down when we asked and stopped using the "c" word. We even tried having a joke by calling your players a bunch of Kents... He didn't find it funny, clearly.

 

There was no need to ban anyone though, it's your club that lost the extra money from the bar, and that's not what anybody wants! We're all non-league football supporters, we're not in the Premiership. Grassroots football will always have swearing in it, whether people like it or not!!

[Cookie]

Fair enough!

[Canvey Fan 1926]

The safety officer said "women might hear, so stop it" to which a few of our female fans told him they didn't mind... He really had no sense of humour, otherwise the whole situation could have been diffused in seconds. Nobody was causing any problems, I think it all just got blown out of proportion for no reason. We're not bad supporters and never cause trouble really. A simple "Stop using the c word please, it's upsetting a few people" would have worked, rather than putting 3 stewards behind us and telling us "if you don't stop swearing, you're being thrown out"...

 

Oh well!

 

We seem to have hit a bad patch of football the past few games - we were no better today!!!